George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

Zatoichi

https://streamable.com/xuwwar

A lot of people on the far right would say things like 'But he was holding a knife, he was going to aim for a Guard, dededededed' so many different types of things. But does that deserve death? Do you guys truly believe, that a man, even if he was holding a knife. Do you believe that deserves death? Under any circumstance?

AngeloArgue

Strumms wrote: »

What’s to understand? This fûckwit was going around with an illegal potentially deadly weapon, swinging it, attempting to injure people or worse. However people are taking issue that despite having been given an opportunity by the Gardai to drop said weapon instead tried to hack one to pieces... yet the criticism is of the Gardai for shooting him to defend themselves...

I'm more talking about how the narrative around the incident has moved on towards immigration, national identity, housing, investment, welfare etc..

People are using it to push their agendas. But in saying that, maybe everything does have a political angle to it, and everyone can either accept or reject the points made

Mad_maxx

Hellokitty1212 wrote: »

What is the reasoning in allowing a mob to say “you should die you white bastard” and not classing it as racism?

It is surely ?

in the WOKE bible , white people have inherent priveledge , a black person could be beating seven shades of sh1te out of a white person and still its a lesser sin - crime than if the positions were reversed

Granadino

Will Dr Ebun's employers be having a word with her I wonder?

titan18

ElJeffe wrote: »

It's never going to happen im afraid. We have no right leaning political parties in this country.

That's as much our own fault as it is the parties fault. If people don't show support for anti mass immigration politicians or causes than the mainstream ones are going to assume theres nothing there for it and continue to go along the status quo.

You also have people using incidents like this to actually be racist (I've seen people saying Ireland for the Irish, go back home etc ) along with the making up fake stories like the convictions and the fake WhatsApp messages which no mainstream politician will want to be associated with. As much as we can rationally criticise the likes of Lucy Michael, Ebun Joseph and the comments from his brother and the actions at the protest, all they need to do is go look at these lads and no politician is supporting this side.

Some of the far right drag any anti mass immigration or conservative policies down with those actions imo, and whilst I think theres a sizable amount like myself who are anti mass immigration due to the lack of resources we have as a country (our housing and health systems can't support more people ATM imo), we need to show the FF and FG politicians in particular that there's enough of us for them to actually target for vote getting.

The likes of the discrepancy between Wayne and Georges gofundme don't help imo to show as based off that, there's more people that support George.

Mad_maxx

titan18 wrote: »

That's as much our own fault as it is the parties fault. If people don't show support for anti mass immigration politicians or causes than the mainstream ones are going to assume theres nothing there for it and continue to go along the status quo.

You also have people using incidents like this to actually be racist (I've seen people saying Ireland for the Irish, go back home etc ) along with the making up fake stories like the convictions and the fake WhatsApp messages which no mainstream politician will want to be associated with. As much as we can rationally criticise the likes of Lucy Michael, Ebun Joseph and the comments from his brother and the actions at the protest, all they need to do is go look at these lads and no politician is supporting this side.

Some of the far right drag any anti mass immigration or conservative policies down with those actions imo, and whilst I think theres a sizable amount like myself who are anti mass immigration due to the lack of resources we have as a country (our housing and health systems can't support more people ATM imo), we need to show the FF and FG politicians in particular that there's enough of us for them to actually target for vote getting.

The likes of the discrepancy between Wayne and Georges gofundme don't help imo to show as based off that, there's more people that support George.

any budding politician who runs on an immigration ticket will be slaughtered by the media , look how they lit on Peter Casey for telling some home truths about travellers ?

you need the media to get your message to the public ,no potent political party can emerge until there emerges a conservative media outlet with a noteworthy footprint

aziz

Granadino wrote: »

Will Dr Ebun's employers be having a word with her I wonder?

No , because that would be racist 😷

Renjit

aziz wrote: »

No , because that would be racist 😷

What if someone from the same color gives the talking :pac:

aziz

Renjit wrote: »

What if someone from the same color gives the talking :pac:

Like that’s going to happen

oldtimeyfella

Granadino wrote: »

Will Dr Ebun's employers be having a word with her I wonder?

No. They are delighted that she is there.

Howard Beale

Renjit wrote: »

What if someone from the same color gives the talking :pac:

She accuse them of being an uncle Tom Traitor immediately.

People like her cannot do criticism from anyone.

titan18

Mad_maxx wrote: »

any budding politician who runs on an immigration ticket will be slaughtered by the media , look how they lit on Peter Casey for telling some home truths about travellers ?

you need the media to get your message to the public ,no potent political party can emerge until there emerges a conservative media outlet with a noteworthy footprint

The media are puppets of FG and FF though. If one of those veered more towards anti mass immigration, you'd see the media change their attitudes a bit imo. Best hope is people show there's enough support for this and are rational in doing it and you can swing enough FF or FG TDs or councillors that they change the parties viewpoint.

A new party or a group of independents will be slaughtered though as you say.

um7y1h83ge06nx

Renjit wrote: »

What if someone from the same color gives the talking :pac:

You need to aim higher here. Maybe if they were black and transgender and a member of the travelling community and female.

endacl

oldtimeyfella wrote: »

No. They are delighted that she is there.

I’d imagine the ones who aren’t are terrified to say so.

AngeloArgue

Sarcozies wrote: »

It's very frustrating that our politicians and publicly elected officials seem so far away from questioning from the average Joe today. With twitter, Coppinger, Chu, Ruane et al. can send bad faith information to vast swaths of the population and either delete it or just move on and act as if nothing happened. We should be able to, as a people, put these bad faith arguments and ideas on these people to ask for more context on what they mean and press them for more. These aren't people holding small swoths of power, they hold some of the highest and most coveted titles in the country and it deserves better.

But their constituency bought into similar emotive issues before and I'd still say that the majority of their supporters are buying into the "racist Gardaí" narrative. They may alienate some of their more "traditional" supporters, but I think that the old left/right capitalism/socialism political dichotomy is a relic of the the 19th century anyway.

Omackeral

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I dont know if it was racist or not...

What shred of evidence or inkling do you have that it was in any way, shape or form racist. Why does that even enter your head. Is it just based on his skin colour? Is that all you’re going off. If so, that makes you a racist.

It should never have gotten to this. Let the spanners and the usual gobsh*tes spout off about this that and the other on social media but when elected officials and national publications are even mentioning that racism is a factor, that’s when it’s gone too far. That’s what I take umbrage with.

Granadino

oldtimeyfella wrote: »

No. They are delighted that she is there.

I'll be sending a complaint in the morning, but doubt I'll get a reply or whether it would be brought up in any case...

glenfieldman

Cllr John Burtchaell blocked me for asking this - What if this criminal was allowed into his house (which his family had a barring order against him), and he stabbed his family, would you be screaming rasism ?

Ruth Coppinger blocked me for asking what her definition of armed meant

Im getting ****ing pissed off with these snowflake "public representatives"
They need to be taken down a peg or two ??

Burkie1203

https://twitter.com/bigmanmac3/status/1345869363623190534?s=19

punisher5112

I would ask you all to contact your TDs or the ones even vocal about it, ebun Joseph, hazel Chu, the minister for defence etc etc....

Please please do and if any get a reply will you please let me or others know.


I've yet to get an answer off any!!!!

givyjoe

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/bigmanmac3/status/1345869363623190534?s=19

Eh, he was the plaintiff against the mibi?

punisher5112

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/bigmanmac3/status/1345869363623190534?s=19

Not seeing anything

alias no.9

titan18 wrote: »

That's as much our own fault as it is the parties fault. If people don't show support for anti mass immigration politicians or causes than the mainstream ones are going to assume theres nothing there for it and continue to go along the status quo.

You also have people using incidents like this to actually be racist (I've seen people saying Ireland for the Irish, go back home etc ) along with the making up fake stories like the convictions and the fake WhatsApp messages which no mainstream politician will want to be associated with. As much as we can rationally criticise the likes of Lucy Michael, Ebun Joseph and the comments from his brother and the actions at the protest, all they need to do is go look at these lads and no politician is supporting this side.

Some of the far right drag any anti mass immigration or conservative policies down with those actions imo, and whilst I think theres a sizable amount like myself who are anti mass immigration due to the lack of resources we have as a country (our housing and health systems can't support more people ATM imo), we need to show the FF and FG politicians in particular that there's enough of us for them to actually target for vote getting.

The likes of the discrepancy between Wayne and Georges gofundme don't help imo to show as based off that, there's more people that support George.

Personally I expect more from elected officials and those holding positions in state funded agencies and institutions than I do from the unelected, unelectable and unknown morons that collectively make up 'the far right' bogeyman.

It's funny how all of the names you may recognise are all on the same side, not sure if the nutjob that is Gemma O'Doherty has even uttered a grunt about and certainly noone else of note has said much on the other side.

Pa ElGrande

endacl wrote: »

I’d imagine the ones who aren’t are terrified to say so.

There are several aspects to resolving problems like this that involve the University HR department, board of governence and their code of practice and the department of education. There are some bright people in UCD who can move on those matters starting with their code of practice.

The political angle is that the politicians are spineless unless their jobs are at risk, but, if enough complaints pass the minister for educations desk that get passed on to the UCD president, then the process can be activaterd to take action to preserve the good name of the university.

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RWCNT

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/bigmanmac3/status/1345869363623190534?s=19

That seems to say he was the plaintiff? A search for him as defendant brings back nothing.

Granadino

glenfieldman wrote: »

Cllr John Burtchaell blocked me for asking this - What if this criminal was allowed into his house (which his family had a barring order against him), and he stabbed his family, would you be screaming rasism ?

Ruth Coppinger blocked me for asking what her definition of armed meant

Im getting ****ing pissed off with these snowflake "public representatives"
They need to be taken down a peg or two ??

I was looking around at potential parties to vote for in the next election, but after some online performances in the past week, some left wing parties will be scratced off that list. I have absolutely no idea who to vote for (won't be FG, FF, or Lab), but no idea after that...

Mad_maxx

titan18 wrote: »

The media are puppets of FG and FF though. If one of those veered more towards anti mass immigration, you'd see the media change their attitudes a bit imo. Best hope is people show there's enough support for this and are rational in doing it and you can swing enough FF or FG TDs or councillors that they change the parties viewpoint.

A new party or a group of independents will be slaughtered though as you say.

RTE were always Labour party shills , they had to throw thee odd bone to the senior party in power ( FG or FF ) but RTE pushed the liberal agenda long before FG were remotely on board , the likes of Mary Robinson got extremely positive coverage in 1990 etc


RTE will provider a certain amount of cover to FG and FF but they expect their projects like abortion , gay marriage , large scale immigration , hate crime , to be prioritised in return

its a transactional relationship , there is no natural love between RTE and the two large parties , with Labour effectively dead , they have moved on to the Soc Dems and of course the Green party but even micro parties like PBP receive a vastly disproportionate level of airtime relative to their electoral representation

givyjoe

punisher5112 wrote: »

Not seeing anything

Tweet was deleted, likely as he wasn't the actual defendant in the case! Mibi were!

punisher5112

Granadino wrote: »

I was looking around at potential parties to vote for in the next election, but after some online performances in the past week, some left wing parties will be scratced off that list. I have absolutely no idea who to vote for (won't be FG, FF, or Lab), but no idea after that...

I can see now SF could be a very dangerous option too.
Pbp are also extremely dangerous imo

Beasty

Sreriously guys - this is the 3rd in-thread warning, and there's one in the OP. Stick to the topic which is the shooting incident and the consequences thereof, not wider race or immigration issues

Any further off-topic posts will be deleted, posters will be banned and/or the thread will be closed