George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

Strumms

newmember? wrote: »

What you've obviously spent a few minutes typing makes absolutely zero sense...a knife can be found in every household kitchen in the country.

The description of the knife I’ve read seems to indicate it was more then a knife you’d be using to butter your bread...

newmember2

Strumms wrote: »

The description of the knife I’ve read seems to indicate it was more then a knife you’d be using to butter your bread...

Indeed...would you happen to have anything like that in your kitchen?

olestoepoke

Howard Beale wrote: »

The fact the famiy had protection orders against him (Sunday Times 3.1.21) and the fact Gardai knew this makes it clear in my opinion Gardai saved that families life that day.

For the brother to death threat that same Garda on a megaphone is abhorrent; outrageous and callous.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VF5A_f6fGQE

Who is that tool in that video. I had to turn it off, couldn't listen to him anymore. Sounded like Connor McGregor pretending to be intelligent.

punisher5112

Anyone get on to anyone else on twitter etc?

Still no response from Chu or ebun Joseph or a few others.....

Howard Beale

newmember? wrote: »

How do you know that's his brother?

Hes introduced as his brother also He says it several times older brother how am am I going to live without him literally one minute later hes asking for the garda to be dead terminated and contract killed.

As you do with someone who has just saved your life.

BattleCorp

Strumms wrote: »

The description of the knife I’ve read seems to indicate it was more then a knife you’d be using to butter your bread...

Doesn't really matter. I'm sure the most harmless of knives can be shoved through an eye socket into the brain.

JeffKenna

Howard Beale wrote: »

Hes introduced as his brother also He says it several times older brother how am am I going to live without him literally one minute later hes asking for the garda to be dead terminated and contract killed.

As you do with someone who has just saved your life.

Scary the amount of hate that's out there.

Wibbs

mcmoustache wrote: »

I agree completely, based on what's known at this point. People on the fringes are making hay out of this but I don't see where race comes into it, beyond the fact the the perp happened to be black.

gozunda wrote: »

Tbh it's more than evident those pushing this as 'racial' / 'racist' are little more than race baiters and no better than those using hate speech by referring to gardai as 'racist ass cops'

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I'd say it's more complex than that, or more about what will organically come about when you end up with a "multicultural" society. From early on in post war Europe it was noted by pretty much anyone regardless of their first position that multicultural societies are problematic on a few levels and within them some demographics do worse. An understandable and best intentions position came along that tried to mitigate these problems and lay them at the feet of the host cultures.

And they had some good reasons too. Racism exists, it's not going away and in that hierarchy Blacks tend to get the worst of it. Out of that the oppressed/oppressor narrative became the go to in identity politics(and not just race) so every action by the host culture is framed in this way. Problem is it's just as obsessed with the group, the "race" over the individual as any nazi.

So yes in this narrative a White guy being killed by police(White or not) doesn't carry near the same weight as a Black guy being killed by police(White or not. NB in the Floyd case one officer was Black, another Asian). The police represent the state, the background culture, which is seen as racist or racial out of the box. This feeds more into the oppressed/oppressor narrative and in both directions too, which as we've seen in the US, the UK, France and elsewhere drives division up, not down over time.

And we'll see that here just like everywhere else before us. Luckily the numbers here are small and we've yet to see the sink estates along racial lines of elsewhere. Yes there are higher percentages of African origin people in some urban areas of Dublin, but the overall population is still overwhelmingly pale of face. These protests in the wake of this tragedy for all concerned illustrate this. A tiny number of people were involved, a large chunk of the initial reaction were teens(who'll tend to be starling like in reactionary responses) and they're petering out as we speak into smaller numbers again.

The media and the talking heads will of course milk this until the cows come home(mixed metaphors ahoy) and that media and those talking heads are exclusively on the identity politics side, leaving social media and person to person dialogues to become less and less measured because of that vacuum. And that's a real problem. But hey diversity is our strength right?

Gothic Insanity

BattleCorp wrote: »

Doesn't really matter. I'm sure the most harmless of knives can be shoved through an eye socket into the brain.

That was.... Graphic....

is_that_so

Howard Beale wrote: »

Hes introduced as his brother also He says it several times older brother how am am I going to live without him literally one minute later hes asking for the garda to be dead terminated and contract killed.

As you do with someone who has just saved your life.

People can say very irrational things when they are grieving. I haven't been following too much of this but did dip into Twitter yesterday and there are lots of people piling in on this with very little thought. My own view is that this is Abbeylara again and we need to see what comes out of GSOC.

Howard Beale

olestoepoke wrote: »

Who is that tool in that video. I had to turn it off, couldn't listen to him anymore. Sounded like Connor McGregor pretending to be intelligent.

Got it in one it is Conor McGregor how did you know?

Hes saying the family had a barring order against George saved their lifes and now the same family are publicly calling for that Garda to be killed and terminated.

Burkie1203

is_that_so wrote: »

People can say very irrational things when they are grieving. I haven't been following too much of this but did dip into Twitter yesterday and there are lots of people piling in on this with very little thought. My own view is that this is Abbeylara again and we need to see what comes out of GSOC.

Abbeylara again?

Have you seen the video of the man swinging a knife wildly at the heads of Gardai ?

Literally an hour earlier he assaulted a shop worker and threatened that man's colleagues with the same knife.

GSOC will declare the Gardai acted appropriately and resorted to lethal force when all other avenues didn't work.


Coppinger is tweeting recently that the govt need to act re covid yet she shows up at a protest in Blanch yesterday

is_that_so

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Abbeylara again?

Have you seen the video of the man swinging a knife wildly at the heads of Gardai ?

Literally an hour earlier he assaulted a shop worker and threatened that man's colleagues with the same knife.

GSOC will declare the Gardai acted appropriately and resorted to lethal force when all other avenues didn't work.


Coppinger is tweeting recently that the govt need to act re covid yet she shows up at a protest in Blanch yesterday

I'm not offering any opinion on what he was doing, Abbeylara involved a mentally ill individual with all that can bring.

Howard Beale

is_that_so wrote: »

People can say very irrational things when they are grieving. I haven't been following too much of this but did dip into Twitter yesterday and there are lots of people piling in on this with very little thought. My own view is that this is Abbeylara again and we need to see what comes out of GSOC.

Hes the last person on Earth that looks grieiving. The clutching at straws to defend his abhorrent threats is silly now.

Didn't even look remotely upset.
Like a guy at a LA rap concert giving a death threat to a rival. Accept it was a garda and that garda protected his family from incredible danger in my opinion very likely death.

Effects

Burkie1203 wrote: »

GSOC will declare the Gardai acted appropriately and resorted to lethal force when all other avenues didn't work.

The gardai will also realise they need more avenues. Weak cs spray to a gun leaves a gap in middle that would have meant a different outcome probably.

grassylawn

Effects wrote: »

The gardai will also realise they need more avenues. Weak cs spray to a gun leaves a gap in middle that would have meant a different outcome probably.

There is a tazer in that gap in the middle. Which they used and it didn't work. I looked it up and tazers aren't particularly reliable when it comes to stopping someone, especially the newer lower voltage ones.

Howard Beale

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Abbeylara again?

Have you seen the video of the man swinging a knife wildly at the heads of Gardai ?

Literally an hour earlier he assaulted a shop worker and threatened that man's colleagues with the same knife.

GSOC will declare the Gardai acted appropriately and resorted to lethal force when all other avenues didn't work.


Coppinger is tweeting recently that the govt need to act re covid yet she shows up at a protest in Blanch yesterday

Coppinger is insane. Even said in the same sentence he had a knife and was unarmed on Twitter.

Only good can come from this is to people see the champagne socialists and the media for the pathologial liars they are.

Also the inherent contempt for Gardai they have is incredible.

ElJeffe

punisher5112 wrote: »

Anyone get on to anyone else on twitter etc?

Still no response from Chu or ebun Joseph or a few others.....

Emailed Chu directly on Friday and have heard nothing back.

ohnonotgmail

grassylawn wrote: »

There is a tazer in that gap in the middle. Which they used and it didn't work. I looked it up and tazers aren't particularly reliable when it comes to stopping someone, especially the newer lower voltage ones.

the issue with tazers is that both prongs needs to be in contact with the skin. if you are wearing a heavy jacket it can prevent that from happening

Burkie1203

Effects wrote: »

The gardai will also realise they need more avenues. Weak cs spray to a gun leaves a gap in middle that would have meant a different outcome probably.

He was shadowed from the shop back to the house by gardai in an effort to prevent any other member of the public from being caught up in this.

The family have protection orders against him for their own safety so allowing him enter the house was a no go. It either become impossible to counter act his violence if he attacks his family members or else a hostage situation.

Tasered twice and asked multiple times to put the knife down. He was wearing heavy looking clothing and was moving about which makes tasers very difficult to deploy effectively as they need to hit skin with two probes. There is no gap between CS Spray and Guns.

Gardai only fired a gun when the man became violent towards them with intent to harm or kill.


If he had put the knife down on any one of the numerous times he was afforded that opportunity he would be alive today. He chose a different path. He got shot.

Burkie1203

Howard Beale wrote: »

Coppinger is insane. Even said in the same sentence he had a knife and was unarmed on Twitter.

Only good can come from this is to people see the champagne socialists and the media for the pathologial liars they are.

Also the inherent contempt for Gardai they have is incredible.

I wonder how Coppinger would feel if she was in Blanch SC on Thursday and was subjected to violence or abuse because of the colour of her skin.

Or if she was in the Circle K and was assaulted.

Or in the Eurospar and was told she would die because she is white.

Effects

grassylawn wrote: »

There is a tazer in that gap in the middle. Which they used and it didn't work. I looked it up and tazers aren't particularly reliable when it comes to stopping someone, especially the newer lower voltage ones.

I thought they had used the tazer before the spray.

There’s obviously a case for use of rubber bullets or bean bag rounds, before escalating to traditional rounds.

Ash.J.Williams

Not much in the news

Davaeo09

Effects wrote: »

I thought they had used the tazer before the spray.

There’s obviously a case for use of rubber bullets or bean bag rounds, before escalating to traditional rounds.

If a taeser doesn't work bean bag rounds are probably not going to cut it either.
While great at dispersing crowds they are less effective at taking down a deranged lunatic.

As seen on the video that went around the first two live round shots didn't work.

I love how so many self defense experts have crawled onto boards this week.
**** off and let the AGS do their job.

Effects

Burkie1203 wrote: »

There is no gap between CS Spray and Guns.

Of course there is, it’s just not procedure here in Ireland. Something which should be looked into, and probably already is.

Howard Beale

Effects wrote: »

I thought they had used the tazer before the spray.

There’s obviously a case for use of rubber bullets or bean bag rounds, before escalating to traditional rounds.

What special branch carries guns, bean bag guns and rubber bullets all at the same time?

The mental gymnastics people are doing to defend this is insane.

You swing for a garda's throat in front of several armed colleagues with a massive knife and you can expect to get shot with live rounds.

I don't understand how people don't get this. If he was white be a funeral and that be the end of it.

BattleCorp

is_that_so wrote: »

I'm not offering any opinion on what he was doing, Abbeylara involved a mentally ill individual with all that can bring.

I don't think it matters that the person was mentally ill. He violently assaulted the Eurospar employee and threatened others with a knife. He also threatened the Gardai with a knife. The fact that he may have been mentally ill is neither here nor there. A mentally ill person who is violent and armed with a knife poses a threat to others and has to be dealth with the same as any other non-mentally ill person armed with a knife and threatening people.

CrazyFather1

Now old George seemingly had mental health issue but was
A community worker
A dedicated volunteer

Effects

Davaeo09 wrote: »

I love how so many self defense experts have crawled onto boards this week.
**** off and let the AGS do their job.

The only experts here are people like you, claiming to know everything.
You don’t even know the difference between how a taser gun and bean bag rounds work. :rolleyes:

Davaeo09

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

Now old George seemingly had mental health issue but was
A community worker
A dedicated volunteer

We need to start demanding proof of any thing used in his defense.
The same way the snowflakes on here didn't like the so called false alagations around his convictions without proof.