George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

frozenfrozen

fantaiscool wrote: »

It's the first I'm hearing of a barring order. I lean towards your view, I was just saying it was understandable that they not be completely objective. If my family member had just been pumped with bullets by the guards, it's possible I would be in total grief and not in the right mind. It would be an irrational response I know but a human one. The community around them furthering it is what I take issue with and really lets their side down in my view. I don't think they are representative of the view of many black people in the country though who probably feel like it was more or less a justified response. The ones I know said that anyway.

"pumped with bullets", is that not a bit emotive?

he was shot exactly the amount of times it took for him to stop being an immediate threat...

Kimbot

fantaiscool wrote: »

It's the first I'm hearing of a barring order. I lean towards your view, I was just saying it was understandable that they not be completely objective. If my family member had just been pumped with bullets by the guards, it's possible I would be in total grief and not in the right mind. It would be an irrational response I know but a human one. The community around them furthering it is what I take issue with and really lets their side down in my view. I don't think they are representative of the view of many black people in the country though who probably feel like it was more or less a justified response by the guards. The ones I know said that anyway.

I believe it was a protection order and its mentioned in this article somewhere.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gardai-had-to-shoot-george-nkencho-under-public-safety-protocols-wkg5vk6mf

fantaiscool

frozenfrozen wrote: »

"pumped with bullets", is that not a bit emotive?

he was shot exactly the amount of times it took for him to stop being an immediate threat...

I was giving the perspective of the family. It's emotive for the family.

To us it was a justified use of force in order to disarm and subdue a member of the public who was a threat.

I'd like to think I'd see it that way if my own brother or sister got shot a few times by the guards in similar circumstances but in the immediate aftermath emotions would be strong.

givyjoe

fantaiscool wrote: »

I agree with everything said. I don't think there is a real leader of sorts in the black community either which they probably need.

It doesn't help that the guards are more or less a totally white organization too. I don't think I've ever seen a black guard. In this day and age they need black/eastern europeans/asians and so on in the force to deal with the public.

The problem is people like Ebun Joseph seem to have positioned themselves as leaders. She's certainly been given attention by media on matters relating to the black community and she's clearly doing more harm than good.

fantaiscool

Kimbot wrote: »

I believe it was a protection order and its mentioned in this article somewhere.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gardai-had-to-shoot-george-nkencho-under-public-safety-protocols-wkg5vk6mf

it's behind a paywall, I'll take your word for it

biko

fantaiscool wrote: »

I'd like to think I'd see it that way if my own brother or sister got shot a few times by the guards in similar circumstances but in the immediate aftermath emotions would be strong.

Exactly, I'd be overcome with grief and anger also.
And if I was part of a group that perceived itself to not be treated fairly I'd probably be out there marching too.

statesaver

fantaiscool wrote: »

I agree with everything said. I don't think there is a real leader of sorts in the black community either which they probably need.

It doesn't help that the guards are more or less a totally white organization too. I don't think I've ever seen a black guard. In this day and age they need black/eastern europeans/asians and so on in the force to deal with the public.

Nothing is stopping any of these groups from joining the Gardaí.

Kimbot

fantaiscool wrote: »

it's behind a paywall, I'll take your word for it

Sorry sbout that, when it was first posted yesterday in this thread the part with the protection order was quoted etc so I'll see if I can find the post again.

Ash.J.Williams

olestoepoke wrote: »

No different from any of the terror attacks over the last few years, I know his motives were different but the danger was the very same as the guy on London Bridge or in the case of Emily Jones. The Guard should get a medal for bravery. God forbid someone else was seriously harmed the ARU would then be asked questions about not containing the situation in time.

exactly

biko

Members of the family had obtained protection orders against the young man on the basis that he posed a threat to their safety.
Nkencho did not live at the family home but had various addresses in Ireland and Britain.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gardai-had-to-shoot-george-nkencho-under-public-safety-protocols-wkg5vk6mf

givyjoe

biko wrote: »

Exactly, I'd be overcome with grief and anger also.
And if I was part of a group that perceived itself to not be treated fairly I'd probably be out there marching too.

Would you really lie about the circumstances of his death? Would you knowingly lie about his character, i.e he wouldn't hurt a fly, yet there were protection orders taken out?

Akesh

osarusan wrote: »

Do you think it was "the far left" or the "mentally ill left" who spread the misinformation that he had 30+ convictions, or who pretended that some image of a man slashed as part of football-related violence in England was the Eurostar shop staff?

The left are are the only ones exploiting this? What a load of nonsense.

It was sadly inevitable that a combination of utter thicks and utter **** from all sides would make as much hay as they could.

Do you know who spread that misinformation or are you just assuming things?

If it is against B, it must have been A! Is that the logic you are using? Ebun Joseph is in need of an apprentice if you're interested?

biko

givyjoe wrote: »

Would you really lie about the circumstances of his death? Would you knowingly lie about his character, i.e he wouldn't hurt a fly, yet there were protection orders taken out?

I don't know. I don't think so but then I have not been in such a crazy situation. Anything could happen.

I hope the demonstrators will keep a cool head until more information comes out.
And I really hope that authorities won't withhold or delay any information.

In any case there are many people that want this to be Ireland's own BLM moment, for all kinds of reasons.

Signore Fancy Pants

fantaiscool wrote: »

She has been subject to racial attacks by the dimwitted alt right racist scum we unfortunately have in our country and handled it with grace. She is as Irish as myself as far as I'm concerned and I don't think I'm alone in getting a chuckle out of how much she triggers the alt right scum. She seems too smart for them every time they try to have a pop

I have no issue with the calls of racism directed at her, yet calling her out for her bolloxology on many issues, is not solely by "racists".

Did she not incorrectly infer male teachers in Carlow were paedo's or perverts?

Did she not accuse An Garda Siochana as being racist due to the Nkencho incident?

She's a populist mouthpiece, unfit to hold such a position and has contributed to the riling up of divisions. That not what a Lord Mayor or public representative should be doing.

She's an incompetent fcuktard and no, I'm not racist.

cdeb

fantaiscool wrote: »

I agree with everything said. I don't think there is a real leader of sorts in the black community either which they probably need.

It doesn't help that the guards are more or less a totally white organization too. I don't think I've ever seen a black guard. In this day and age they need black/eastern europeans/asians and so on in the force to deal with the public.

Why do you need black guards to deal with black people? Or Asian guards to deal with Asian people?

If I walk into a garda station and there's a black guard at the counter, can I object and ask for a white one?

This division of people into various groups is one of the central problems we have. The Gardaí are people, have by and large earned our respect in the 100 years of our state, there is nothing whatsoever to indicate they are in any way racially biased or incapable of policing black/Asian/whatever people.

To say their skin colour is wrong is daft.

Dyr

I see Clare Daly is back at it.

Desperate to stir it up.

Wibbs

biko wrote: »

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gardai-had-to-shoot-george-nkencho-under-public-safety-protocols-wkg5vk6mf

Too often these days we have to look beyond our shores media wise to get a handle on things.

Members of the family had obtained protection orders against the young man on the basis that he posed a threat to their safety.

Wouldn't hurt a fly apparently... But that raises more questions about how the he slipped through the various social services. He should have been looked at earlier. No doubt there are more like him out there as we speak that need attention.

Nkencho did not live at the family home but had various addresses in Ireland and Britain.

Various addresses in two countries?

biko

The Socialist party has a statement out, they call the shooting unprecedented & unjustified.
https://socialistparty.ie/2021/01/the-fatal-shooting-of-george-nkencho-its-aftermath/

is_that_so

cdeb wrote: »

Why do you need black guards to deal with black people? Or Asian guards to deal with Asian people?

If I walk into a garda station and there's a black guard at the counter, can I object and ask for a white one?

This division of people into various groups is one of the central problems we have. The Gardaí are people, have by and large earned our respect in the 100 years of our state, there is nothing whatsoever to indicate they are in any way racially biased or incapable of policing black/Asian/whatever people.

To say their skin colour is wrong is daft.

The main aim of having more ethnic Gardai is to have role models for those communities and to be more representative of the country as a whole. It's like the quotas for female candidates in elections, it is making more of life opportunities open to everyone.

malinheader

Bambi wrote: »

I see Clare Daly is back at it.

Desperate to stir it up.

Just in from work, someone sent me a link about Paul Donnelly of sinn fein asking locals not to post videos of the local unrest being orchestrated by a certain section of the community. Don't know how true this is but disgusting if true

weldoninhio

osarusan wrote: »

Do you think it was "the far left" or the "mentally ill left" who spread the misinformation that he had 30+ convictions, or who pretended that some image of a man slashed as part of football-related violence in England was the Eurostar shop staff?

The left are are the only ones exploiting this? What a load of nonsense.

It was sadly inevitable that a combination of utter thicks and utter **** from all sides would make as much hay as they could.

With almost every newsworthy incident there are people who make stuff up, or jump in with speculation. From COVID-19 to Gardai shooting. You’d swear this was the first time it’s ever happened. Was defo the far right this time though :rolleyes:

statesaver

statesaver wrote: »

Nothing is stopping any of these groups from joining the Gardaí.

Only that they'd have to work for it. And benefits would be gone. Shock horror who gives up benefits

Morathi

Bambi wrote: »

I see Clare Daly is back at it.

Desperate to stir it up.

Latest one i could find from her was about trigger happy gardai.

https://twitter.com/ClareDalyMEP/status/1344748153824800777

SCAREY :pac:

biko

malinheader wrote: »

Paul Donnelly of sinn fein asking locals not to post videos of the local unrest

This is a tactic used by Antifa. They don't want any recordings that may be used against them later.

#OwnTheNarrative
#ImageIsEverything

endacl

biko wrote: »

The Socialist party has a statement out

Are they still a thing?

Parabellum9

biko wrote: »

The Socialist party has a statement out, they call the shooting unprecedented & unjustified.
https://socialistparty.ie/2021/01/the-fatal-shooting-of-george-nkencho-its-aftermath/

Not reading that drivel in full from a ****stain of a party like them, but a quick scan shows exactly the viewpoint i expected - deflect deflect deflect.

malinheader

Morathi wrote: »

Latest one i could find from her was about trigger happy gardai.

https://twitter.com/ClareDalyMEP/status/1344748153824800777

SCAREY :pac:

Scarey alright. To think you hold a position in our government.

What a crowd of clowns you are

cdeb

is_that_so wrote: »

The main aim of having more ethnic Gardai is to have role models for those communities and to be more representative of the country as a whole. It's like the quotas for female candidates in elections, it is making more of life opportunities open to everyone.

Doesn't answer the question though.

Right now, anyone is able to apply to join the Gardaí, provided they meet standard (non-racial) basic qualifications.

Saying we need black guards for black people only creates more divisions in society.

Wibbs

biko wrote: »

The Socialist party has a statement out, they call the shooting unprecedented & unjustified.
https://socialistparty.ie/2021/01/the-fatal-shooting-of-george-nkencho-its-aftermath/

Well of course they do...

A lethal response — shooting a person dead — is a completely unacceptable outcome in this situation. There are non-lethal methods of containing or incapacitating someone, which could and should have been adopted.

Conveniently omitting that a taser was used twice and pepper spray. More of the muppets who think you can shoot to wound.

Video footage seems to indicate that the first of a number of shots (from the Armed Response Unit) was fired when George Nkencho had his back to the Gardaí, facing his front door. What provoked this first shot?

Ah yeah, "seems", no conjecture there. :rolleyes: Secondly maybe the Gardai were concerned about him hurting people, his family inside the house, a family who had barring orders against him.

Then again they're just looking for votes in the area. I'm quite sure the actual working people in the area rarely give them a tick on the ballot.

fantaiscool

cdeb wrote: »

Why do you need black guards to deal with black people? Or Asian guards to deal with Asian people?

If I walk into a garda station and there's a black guard at the counter, can I object and ask for a white one?

This division of people into various groups is one of the central problems we have. The Gardaí are people, have by and large earned our respect in the 100 years of our state, there is nothing whatsoever to indicate they are in any way racially biased or incapable of policing black/Asian/whatever people.

To say their skin colour is wrong is daft.

I'm not saying their skin colour is wrong at all and I fully support the guards. You've misunderstood my point. Surely the guards should be a representation of the public is all I'm saying.

I don't know the ins and outs of becoming a guard and I'm not suggesting there has been discrimination on the part of the guards in their selection of new guards although it is interesting how there seems to be no black guards whatsoever. I've seen a fair few black security/bouncers, usually pretty big blokes I wouldn't mess with, so they would probably do the job I'm assuming. Of course white guards can deal with any nationality and they do a great job but say there was a black guard in that incident, it's less likely that the BLM crew could call it a racist attack in that case.