George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

Shanotheslayer

cdeb wrote: »

Saying we need black guards for black people only creates more divisions in society.

Nobody said that. Literally nobody.

sabat

What's the difference between saying someone "has mental health issues" and calling them a mentaller or head-the-ball?

fantaiscool

is_that_so wrote: »

The main aim of having more ethnic Gardai is to have role models for those communities and to be more representative of the country as a whole. It's like the quotas for female candidates in elections, it is making more of life opportunities open to everyone.

Correct. If you're a young black/asian/minority person, being a guard probably doesn't feel like a possibility in Ireland.

Shanotheslayer

sabat wrote: »

What's the difference between saying someone "has mental health issues" and calling them a mentaller or head-the-ball?

Common decency

Cordell

Morathi wrote: »

Latest one i could find from her was about trigger happy gardai.

https://twitter.com/ClareDalyMEP/status/1344748153824800777

SCAREY :pac:

they made the wrong choice and for that, George lost his life

I'd say George made the wrong choice and for that he paid with his life.

weldoninhio

fantaiscool wrote: »

Correct. If you're a young black/asian/minority person, being a guard probably doesn't feel like a possibility in Ireland.

Why not?

Wibbs

is_that_so wrote: »

The main aim of having more ethnic Gardai is to have role models for those communities and to be more representative of the country as a whole. It's like the quotas for female candidates in elections, it is making more of life opportunities open to everyone.

The opportunities are already there. If you want to join the Guards and pass the requirements you can join the guards. It's literally that simple. Never mind it's more of a sop than anything. Experience of other multicultural nations shows that often such people who join are seen as "sell outs" and it doesn't seem to do much for crime or police overstepping the mark. How has the number of Black constables in the UK stopped the gang and knife crime there? In the Floyd case one of the officers involved was African American another was Asian American. Very diverse, yet a guys life was snuffed out in public.

cdeb

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Nobody said that. Literally nobody.

It's effectively the point being made though.

Judging people by their skin colour or ethnicity rather than, say, their competency for the job.

All to fix a problem that doesn't exist.

(And FWIW, Nkencho's brother has said that he didn't have a guard who looks like him to go to. So not correct to say no-one's saying it)

fantaiscool

fantaiscool wrote: »

Correct. If you're a young black/asian/minority person, being a guard probably doesn't feel like a possibility in Ireland.

There are indeed black, Asian and eastern European members in AGS. the numbers are still small but that's because immigration into Ireland is relatively new. Numbers will increase as the years go by.

Omackeral

This notion of ''The Black Community'' in Ireland. What, or more importantly, who is that? Is Paul McGrath a member? Is Shawn, originally from Chicago, working in Ebay part of it? Is Luis from Brazil included?

Call me what you will but grouping a load of people together (from all walks of life) because they happen to have the same skin colour is a bit ridiculous and, dare I say, racist.

Wibbs

fantaiscool wrote: »

Of course white guards can deal with any nationality and they do a great job but say there was a black guard in that incident, it's less likely that the BLM crew could call it a racist attack in that case.

BLM kicked off across America and the world and yet the officers involved were "diverse".

Signore Fancy Pants

fantaiscool wrote: »

I'm not saying their skin colour is wrong at all and I fully support the guards. You've misunderstood my point. Surely the guards should be a representation of the public is all I'm saying.

I don't know the ins and outs of becoming a guard and I'm not suggesting there has been discrimination on the part of the guards in their selection of new guards although it is interesting how there seems to be no black guards whatsoever. I've seen a fair few black security/bouncers, usually pretty big blokes I wouldn't mess with, so they would probably do the job I'm assuming. Of course white guards can deal with any nationality and they do a great job but say there was a black guard in that incident, it's less likely that the BLM crew could call it a racist attack in that case.

I don't know if there are no black AGS members or not either but it isnt an Organisational issue. Just some of the conditions of entry.

Doesn't matter what colour you are, just fulfil the below.

Applicants must be 18 years of age but not yet 35 years of age.

Applicants must have by the closing date:

(a) obtained an Irish Leaving Certificate with a grade D3 minimum in five subjects at Ordinary Level*, or

(b) hold a Level 5 Certificate (Major award) on the National Framework of Qualifications (NFQ),

or

(c) hold a recognised qualification (at level 5 or greater), deemed comparable to the
above in terms of both level and volume of learning as determined by Quality
and Qualifications Ireland (QQI)

AND

(d) Must have a proven proficiency in two languages; one of which must be Irish or English

a) Be of good character;
b) Have passed a Physical Competence Test;
c) Be certified by a Registered Medical Practitioner (nominated by the Garda Commissioner after consultation with the Minister) to be in good health, of sound constitution and suited physically and mentally to perform the duties of a member of the Service.

To join applicants must:

a) Be a national of a European Union Member State, or

b) Be a national of an European Economic Area State or the Swiss Confederation, or

c) Be a refugee under the Refugee Act, 1996, or

d) Have a period of one year's continuous residence in the State on the closing date of the advertisement for the competition for the vacancy to which the admission relates, and during the eight years immediately preceeding that period, has had a total residence in the State amounting to four years, or

e) Have been granted subsidiary protection, is a family member of such a person, in compliance with the Admissions and Appointments Regulations, 2013.

Cordell

fantaiscool wrote: »

I've seen a fair few black security/bouncers, usually pretty big blokes I wouldn't mess with, so they would probably do the job I'm assuming.

This is like saying a butcher can do a surgeon's job because they already know how to cut.

fantaiscool wrote: »

Of course white guards can deal with any nationality and they do a great job but say there was a black guard in that incident, it's less likely that the BLM crew could call it a racist attack in that case.

How will this work? Send the proper garda colour to match the suspect? Make sure you always have available Polish, Indian, Chinese etc guards on stand-by?

Signore Fancy Pants

fantaiscool wrote: »

Correct. If you're a young black/asian/minority person, being a guard probably doesn't feel like a possibility in Ireland.

Why?

Omackeral

fantaiscool wrote: »

But say there was a black guard in that incident, it's less likely that the BLM crew could call it a racist attack in that case.

All due respect, who gives a f*ck what they would think. Has it occurred to you that they'd only be seeing colour in your example. Judging something solely on race. There's a word for that you know...

whisky_galore

Omackeral wrote: »

This notion of ''The Black Community'' in Ireland. What, or more importantly, who is that? Is Paul McGrath a member? Is Shawn, originally from Chicago, working in Ebay part of it? Is Luis from Brazil included?

Call me what you will but grouping a load of people together (from all walks of life) because they happen to have the same skin colour is a bit ridiculous and, dare I say, racist.

School children and teachers are now the "school community". Just a lazy media catch all term.

Omackeral

bubblypop wrote: »

There are indeed black, Asian and eastern European members in AGS. the numbers are still small but that's because immigration into Ireland is relatively new. Numbers will increase as the years go by.

Serving Prison Officer here. We have exactly what you've described in our ranks. I have colleagues in my complex who are Chinese, Romanian, Nigerian and Polish. 20 years ago, it wouldn't have been the case because we weren't as ethnically diverse as a country.

Howard Beale

Deleted User wrote: »

She didn’t ask people not to look at her old tweets. What she did was show the full side and not the out of context cut out you and the others who are totally against her (bet it’s not a racist reason tho no sir).

No it doesn’t. But your posting shows you’ve got some serious issue with Hazel, one you should probably seek help for. Being so obsessed with someone you have to pull tweets out of the sky to make her look bad is sad at best.

I’m not even going to touch the last point because it’s ridiculous. But why don’t you address my response to you? You’ve refused to do so.

Also - if you’re just gonna post replies and keep editing them without mentioning to try some stupid game where it looks like I’ve ignored half your post, stop responding to me or at least let me know when you’re definitely done posting and it’s safe to respond.

Obsessed? Says the person trawling through her twitter desperately trying to find shyte to defend her LOL. That's not sad no. Pot kettle and black eh!

You want me to let you know when I have edited a post? Why? If it changes it changes so be it. OK yes it's a very deep game? Your move baby! :cool:

The reasons I don't like her are she's entitled, ignorant, stupid, bigoted, and inflammatory and should not be Mayor of Dublin.

The fact that she posted about George Floyd and Gardai needing to review their training a day after the shooting shows you just how manipulative and or stupid she is. No sane right minded Mayor do that TO MASSIVELY UNDERMINE GARDAI LIKE THAT. Why would a rational mayor run down their own police force to such a degree when they were attacked? Doesn't make sense. Shes callous.

But go on tell us how wonderful she is there.
She must pay well!

CrazyFather1

I know it been asked a few times here but why would a young person of colour of asian decent have a problem been a Garda? years ago they got rid of the Irish requirements etc to try and get a more diverse force

Gothic Insanity

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

I know it been asked a few times here but why would a young person of colour of asian decent have a problem been a Garda? years ago they got rid of the Irish requirements etc to try and get a more diverse force

Only thing stopping people is height isn't it?

nullzero

Omackeral wrote: »

This notion of ''The Black Community'' in Ireland. What, or more importantly, who is that? Is Paul McGrath a member? Is Shawn, originally from Chicago, working in Ebay part of it? Is Luis from Brazil included?

Call me what you will but grouping a load of people together (from all walks of life) because they happen to have the same skin colour is a bit ridiculous and, dare I say, racist.

Spot on.

We need to take people on their merits, skin colour isn't important.

nullzero

Gothic Insanity wrote: »

Only thing stopping people is height isn't it?

Not any more AFAIK.

Signore Fancy Pants

Omackeral wrote: »

Serving Prison Officer here. We have exactly what you've described in our ranks. I have colleagues in my complex who are Chinese, Romanian, Nigerian and Polish. 20 years ago, it wouldn't have been the case because we weren't as ethnically diverse as a country.

Agreed, same with the Defence Forces. However, we have had a number of black guys over the last 30 years. Although over the last 10 or so years, the name tags have gotten increasingly hard to pronounce.

Ireland is inclusive, no matter what people with an agenda have to say.

Signore Fancy Pants

Gothic Insanity wrote: »

Only thing stopping people is height isn't it?

Not anymore, has been replaced by a fitness test.

Gothic Insanity

monty_python wrote: »

I'm reading reports the is trouble in blanch now.
Anyone know any more??

50 people protested today.

Gothic Insanity

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Not anymore, has been replaced by a fitness test.

Still counts me out *eats a freddo

Feisar

nullzero wrote: »

Spot on.

We need to take people on their merits, skin colour isn't important.

The bould George was taken on his merits, that's why there is a massive deflection campaign on to make a race issue out of it.

Stihl waters

Gothic Insanity wrote: »

50 people protested today.

They mustn't be back to work until tomorrow

Feisar

Gothic Insanity wrote: »

Still counts me out *eats a freddo

Basically a Taz bar? Yum!

biko

I don't know his name but there is at least one black garda on the force, handsome guy too.