George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

LorelaiG

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Kitchen knives can be very sharp, and are perfect for stabbing. If he lunged at a Garda with a kitchen knife, after almost two hours of trying to de-escalate the situation (after he had already assaulted someone) and got shot, there is no way at all that this is anything other than a justified Garda shooting, and is in no way racially motivated.

If his family did have a protection order against him, then the local Gardaí would have known that he was considered a danger to them too.

Can I just ask where this two hours narrative is coming from? All accounts I have read, online, in newspapers, sources coming from the garda themselves quotedin newspapers. Gardai were called just before midday, George was shot at approx 12.35pm. That's just half an hour or so?

BTW, I think the Garda did what they had to do after watching the video a couple of times, I didn't see any other way especially with he way he lunged at that Garda beside him.

Heart Break Kid

LorelaiG wrote: »

All accounts I have read, online, in newspapers, sources coming from the garda themselves quotedin newspapers. Gardai were called just before midday, George was shot at approx 12.35pm. That's just half an hour or so?

I thought it was only a half hour too. Is their any evidence that he even robbed the shop.(yes I'm aware there is another victim) but theres been no video evidence nor reports of an assault or robbery other than a minor stub relating to Nkencho being shot.

iebamm2580

https://www.facebook.com/518620081515968/videos/394546905169549/?__so__=watchlist&__rv__=video_home_www_playlist_video_list

So this guy wants land, i have uncle farmers who wouldn't give me a bit of land but this guy want to rock up and get land, he talks about Ireland being complicit in slave trade as 100 people here were compensated when slavery was abolished, talks about knowing your history, he should maybe realize Ireland was still under British rule when slavery was abolished.

Heart Break Kid

iebamm2580 wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/518620081515968/videos/394546905169549/?__so__=watchlist&__rv__=video_home_www_playlist_video_list

So this guy wants land, i have uncle farmers who wouldn't give me a bit of land but this guys want to rock up and get land, he talks abouit Ireland being complicit in slave trade as 100 people here were compensated when slavery was abolished, talks about knowing your history, he should maybe realize Ireland was still under British rule when slavery was abolished.

Not really relevant and for your own sanity, you should stop following the Liberal.

iebamm2580

Heart Break Kid wrote: »

Not really relevant and for your own sanity, you should stop following the Liberal.

Being honest i don't follow it, im not on Facebook, saw it on a gaa forum.

iebamm2580

iebamm2580 wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/518620081515968/videos/394546905169549/?__so__=watchlist&__rv__=video_home_www_playlist_video_list

So this guy wants land, i have uncle farmers who wouldn't give me a bit of land but this guy want to rock up and get land, he talks about Ireland being complicit in slave trade as 100 people here were compensated when slavery was abolished, talks about knowing your history, he should maybe realize Ireland was still under British rule when slavery was abolished.

He's likely referring to Ulster Scots. If he knew anything about the history of the country he lives in, he'd know why that distinction is important.

iebamm2580

Deleted User wrote: »

He's likely referring to Ulster Scots. If he knew anything about the history of the country he lives in, he'd know why that distinction is important.

Doubt he knows what he is referring to.

ThunbergsAreGo

iebamm2580 wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/518620081515968/videos/394546905169549/?__so__=watchlist&__rv__=video_home_www_playlist_video_list

So this guy wants land, i have uncle farmers who wouldn't give me a bit of land but this guy want to rock up and get land, he talks about Ireland being complicit in slave trade as 100 people here were compensated when slavery was abolished, talks about knowing your history, he should maybe realize Ireland was still under British rule when slavery was abolished.

Racism right there, basing perception of people based on the colour of their skin.

That is honestly absolute nonsense.......like a complete lack of brain cells there - just imported garbage

"Ireland is the worst country in the world" -- fine... leave

TomTomTim

Heart Break Kid wrote: »

Not really relevant and for your own sanity, you should stop following the Liberal.

How is it not relevant? It's directly related to the event in question.

malinheader

iebamm2580 wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/518620081515968/videos/394546905169549/?__so__=watchlist&__rv__=video_home_www_playlist_video_list

So this guy wants land, i have uncle farmers who wouldn't give me a bit of land but this guy want to rock up and get land, he talks about Ireland being complicit in slave trade as 100 people here were compensated when slavery was abolished, talks about knowing your history, he should maybe realize Ireland was still under British rule when slavery was abolished.

I wonder what would happen if you stood in the middle of his country spewing hatred and ****e. Wonder how long you would last. Imo people like this should be deported, obviously he is not happy here. Any one any idea why people like this stay here.

neonsofa

LorelaiG wrote: »

Can I just ask where this two hours narrative is coming from? All accounts I have read, online, in newspapers, sources coming from the garda themselves quotedin newspapers. Gardai were called just before midday, George was shot at approx 12.35pm. That's just half an hour or so?

BTW, I think the Garda did what they had to do after watching the video a couple of times, I didn't see any other way especially with he way he lunged at that Garda beside him.

Same as everyone else, I dont know all of the facts, so I can only offer a possible reason/theory for this, and I am open to correction. I dont want to speculate or add to any rumours. When the messages were coming in initially it was about an attempted robbery/incident in the circle k first and then eurospar, and there was some stuff about him going to the post office too (its in the eurospar shop entrance. I dont know if that part is true though, but it could contribute to the discrepancies in the timeline if there were multiple phone ins from different shops). The gardai that responded to the scene initially were trying to contain the situation (think this is the video of the car following him home along the open green area), and the armed response unit arrived at his house separately. So perhaps its the armed response unit they are referring to as being called just before midday? Called in by the other gardai who made the initial call out to the shops?

Again, I am open to correction on all of that, and if any of it is proven to be untrue, let me know and I will remove whatever is incorrect. Just offering a possible reason for the timeline discrepancies.

TomTomTim

malinheader wrote: »

I wonder what would happen if you stood in the middle of his country spewing hatred and ****e. Wonder how long you would last. Imo people like this should be deported, obviously he is not happy here. Any one any idea why people like this stay here.

People like him want to use our resources, while also claiming oppression.

chopperbyrne

LorelaiG wrote: »

Can I just ask where this two hours narrative is coming from? All accounts I have read, online, in newspapers, sources coming from the garda themselves quotedin newspapers. Gardai were called just before midday, George was shot at approx 12.35pm. That's just half an hour or so?

BTW, I think the Garda did what they had to do after watching the video a couple of times, I didn't see any other way especially with he way he lunged at that Garda beside him.

It's what I've seen all along. If I'm wrong, and it was shorter, then it was shorter.

It doesn't change that non lethal options were attempted, and George was given every opportunity to stand down.

malinheader

TomTomTim wrote: »

People like him want to use our resources, while also claiming oppression.

Could also add benefits to resources as well.

Beechwoodspark

It’s on RTÉ radio at the moment.

A very aggressive man “lecturing” the journalist Barry lenihan. His name was given but can’t recall it. Almost sure it was “doctor” such and such.

He went off on one when the reporter very very cautiously asked about the incident with George in the spar pre the shooting.

He didn’t address any of the concerns but rather went on a crazed rant - came across so badly on radio.

Yer man also says that the family want a new house because they can’t return to their existing house - something about against their cultures was mentioned

Also the man went off on a rant when Barry lenihan mentioned the violent protests.

Overall came across as a nasty individual who seemed to be hell bent on intimidating the RTÉ journalist.

SEPT 23 1989

people with "mischievous intent"

Thats how RTE's Philip Boucher-Hayes just described the violence in Blanchardstown

LorelaiG

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

It’s on RTÉ radio at the moment.

A very aggressive man “lecturing” the journalist Barry lenihan. His name was given but can’t recall it. Almost sure it was “doctor” such and such.

He went off on one when the reporter very very cautiously asked about the incident with George in the spar pre the shooting.

He didn’t address any of the concerns but rather went on a crazed rant - came across so badly on radio.

Yer man also says that the family want a new house because they can’t return to their existing house - something about against their cultures was mentioned

Also the man went off on a rant when Barry lenihan mentioned the violent protests.

Overall came across as a nasty individual who seemed to be hell bent on intimidating the RTÉ journalist.

The family are still living at the house, well some of them anyway.

Sir Oxman

Story on Claire Byrne Live RTE Radio 1 (Boucher-Hayes is presenting)
Nkencho solictor making statements from the Nkenchos.
They are taking action against false memes about convictions.
They are meeting GSOC this week.
They are very upset.

A black community leader - he's blaming the media for portraying him as a dog(?) I haven't seen that at all, in fact the opposite. His community is very frightened he says.
The mother is still in shock (naturally)

Another local, a black doctor - 'that could have been my son'...

Vague general mention of incidents, nothing mentioned about racism on display from members of the black community.
Threatening language from brother (though not mentioning him) is mentioned to.

Jack Chambers (FF local TD) mentioning the intimidation over the past 6 days and that is not acceptable in any way.

Nothing mentioned about politicians and other figures immediately drawing racism into the events.

An 'oh dear' from Boucher-Hayes at the end.

agoodpunt

when all this is gone quite his family if we can ever prove they are will sue the state
Africans are 50% unemployed link posted here from the esri many times, we have enough home grown wasters without the chip on there shoulder country of choice economic migrants,
Garda shot a bad MF who should never have been let in good riddance

Hamsterchops

I'm new to this incident so I'd love some facts instead of falsehoods and lies on Facebook.

1 So this guy (the one who was shot) did he or did he not have multiple convictions prior to being shot dead?

2 What exactly was the crime he committed before being shot dead?

3 Are the images circulating on Facebook (of the injuries to his victims face) genuine or fake?

What exactly did he do to his victim (or victims)?

The Facts would be very welcome.

ThunbergsAreGo

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Story on Claire Byrne Live RTE Radio 1 (Boucher-Hayes is presenting)
Nkencho solictor making statements from the Nkenchos.
They are taking action against false memes about convictions.
They are meeting GSOC this week.
They are very upset.

A black community leader - he's blaming the media for portraying him as a dog(?) I haven't seen that at all, in fact the opposite. His community is very frightened he says.
The mother is still in shock (naturally)

Another local, a black doctor - 'that could have been my son'...

Vague general mention of incidents, nothing mentioned about racism on display from members of the black community.
Threatening language from brother (though not mentioning him) is mentioned to.

Jack Chambers (FF local TD) mentioning the intimidation over the past 6 days and that is not acceptable in any way.

Nothing mentioned about politicians and other figures immediately drawing racism into the events.

An 'oh dear' from Boucher-Hayes at the end.

Cannot help feel that this will backfire against this particular community, which for under 7k total in Ireland have a tendency to get into trouble and dont really fancy participating in the workforce. (is that racist? happy to withdraw if it is?).

Chambers is being clever (never thought I would say that) - gap for him/FF to be relevant again.

10000maniacs

Today with Philip Boucher-Hayes giving a good hearing to the narrative that George Nkencho was an upstanding member of the community, the killing was wicked and callous and justice needs to be done.
Only one lesson needs to be learnt here. Don't lunge at a policeman with a knife, especially if you have stabbed someone else already with it.

iebamm2580

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I'm new to this incident so I'd love some facts instead of falsehoods and lies on Facebook.

1 So this guy (the one who was shot) did he or did he not have multiple convictions prior to being shot dead?

2 What exactly was the crime he committed before being shot dead?

3 Are the images circulating on Facebook (of the injuries to his victims face) genuine or fake?

What exactly did he do to his victim (or victims)?

The Facts would be very welcome.

From what i know, didn't have previous convictions, assaulted a bloke in a shop not stabbed him and attempted to stab a garda judging from the video and yes that picture was fake.

Feisar

Witcher wrote: »

That was just a show, they haven't actually got any power behind that. They're an aid to the civil power, they are not the civil power. They assist on missing person searches etc. Not in public order matters.

Could you explain what you mean by "just a show"? I get and understand they are there to aid the civil power. As in it would have been a Gardaí operation backed up by the Army, which I presume meant pew pew should the need arise?

Omackeral

TomTomTim wrote: »

How is it not relevant? It's directly related to the event in question.

It really and truly shouldn’t be relevant. That’s probably the point. This arsehole going on about getting land (what?! why?!) has precisely the sum of SFA to do with some knife-wielding maniac in Dublin 15. It’s ridiculous.

ELM327

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I'm new to this incident so I'd love some facts instead of falsehoods and lies on Facebook.

1 So this guy (the one who was shot) did he or did he not have multiple convictions prior to being shot dead?

2 What exactly was the crime he committed before being shot dead?

3 Are the images circulating on Facebook (of the injuries to his victims face) genuine or fake?

What exactly did he do to his victim (or victims)?

The Facts would be very welcome.

https://www.thejournal.ie/george-nkencho-32-convictions-factcheck-5315584-Jan2021/


The convictions are false but whatever way you look at it, attacking unarmed gardai with a machete is not going to go down well.


The correct decision was taken.

Fighting Tao

iebamm2580 wrote: »

https://www.facebook.com/518620081515968/videos/394546905169549/?__so__=watchlist&__rv__=video_home_www_playlist_video_list

So this guy wants land, i have uncle farmers who wouldn't give me a bit of land but this guy want to rock up and get land, he talks about Ireland being complicit in slave trade as 100 people here were compensated when slavery was abolished, talks about knowing your history, he should maybe realize Ireland was still under British rule when slavery was abolished.

He did make an error about slavery and Ireland/Britain. However, he was not demanding land.

Wibbs

iebamm2580 wrote: »

So this guy wants land, i have uncle farmers who wouldn't give me a bit of land but this guy want to rock up and get land, he talks about Ireland being complicit in slave trade as 100 people here were compensated when slavery was abolished, talks about knowing your history, he should maybe realize Ireland was still under British rule when slavery was abolished.

The guy is an idiot, but a grifting one that has been fostered by a skewed version of history(those compensated for slavery were British/Anglo-Irish landlords and slavers. The native rural Irish barely had shoes on their feet) and western social safety nets which he has now decided he wants a part of and has the hand out. Social safety nets he most certainly wouldn't get in his nation of origin.

That this moron comes out with that in a country whose people didn't own their own lands for many centuries on the back of a colonial power and had to fight and die for it takes the bloody biscuit(Nigeria by comparison was only under British rule from the 19th century). That he can say all that with no fear of censure with even some Irish people tacitly agreeing with his position illustrates how free we are and how patient we are too. That patience will wear very fcuking thin too.

He wants to own land? Then do what people do when they want to own it in the west, or anywhere bloody else for that matter; earn it. Nobody's stopping him. If he doesn't own land and isn't renting, then he's already getting "land" on the back of the Irish taxpayer. Given over half of the African diaspora here are unemployed that's a coin toss. If he or anyone else doesn't want to abide by our rules and conditions of our country then there's the airport, go back to your promised land. Oh wait, you left it for greener pastures.

Tl;DR? Fcuk off you pig ignorant muppet.

a_squirrelman

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I'm new to this incident so I'd love some facts instead of falsehoods and lies on Facebook.

1 So this guy (the one who was shot) did he or did he not have multiple convictions prior to being shot dead?

2 What exactly was the crime he committed before being shot dead?

3 Are the images circulating on Facebook (of the injuries to his victims face) genuine or fake?

What exactly did he do to his victim (or victims)?

The Facts would be very welcome.

1. Apparently he had no convictions.
2. I'm sure the Gardai and GSOC will reveal further details later but he attacked someone in a shop, wouldn't drop his weapon when Gardai asked him, then attacked the Gardai and was shot because of that.
3. Apparently they are fake.

Long story short, guy has weapon, doesn't follow instructions to drop it, attacks Gardai, gets shot.

weldoninhio

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I'm new to this incident so I'd love some facts instead of falsehoods and lies on Facebook.

1 So this guy (the one who was shot) did he or did he not have multiple convictions prior to being shot dead?

2 What exactly was the crime he committed before being shot dead?

3 Are the images circulating on Facebook (of the injuries to his victims face) genuine or fake?

What exactly did he do to his victim (or victims)?

The Facts would be very welcome.

1. Why would that matter?
2. He put a Garda's life at risk, that is why he was shot.
3. Probably not.