George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

frozenfrozen

Effects wrote: »

Can you back that up with examples please?

sea lion

Delia2021

IAMAMORON wrote: »

It really highlights to me the innate gutter that is Twitter.

The headline states "material" shared to indicate the words " gunned down " and "murdered ".

I look down to the " Tweet" that was twitted and shared.

It appears that this " material" is actually a few tweets ... from Twits.

Twitter is the home of guttersnipe media exchange, it really really is.

It’s what the Left want sensational headlines and we can fall for this nonsense or not. And realize that we shouldn’t create a political vacuum we are better than this

B.A._Baracus

Effects wrote: »

Can you back that up with examples please?

What examples do you need?!?! :pac:
Go on twitter. Go on Facebook. People (pro-george) making a stink about how people are getting facts wrong. It wasn't a machete. Etc.

Yes it wasn't a machete. If we are to be fair then let's call a spade a spade. But why was he carrying a knife? ... They gloss over that.

Don't you get what I am saying?
I am talking about people glossing over obvious things that should be stated (ie, why was he carrying such a weapon in the first place) and laser pointing in on the inaccuracies of the knife used.

That's like you making 6 points. 5 of which are totally correct. Rock solid. But the 6th? Not so much. So I could harp on about the 6th. Forget the rest. They don't suit my opinion / agenda / stance.

kravmaga

Snake Plisken wrote: »

According to the article she has stood down
"Dr Conway is no longer a member of the Policing Authority, having finished her term shortly after sharing the tweets."

Which in plain English means she has been asked to resign her position or be sacked from the Policing Authority.

Dr Conway a tad too quick to draw a verdict/ conclusions.

Not a friend or supporter of our Police force, An Garda Siochana , your would swear she was at the scene and has all the officers found guilty before even knowing all the facts, some law professor she is:rolleyes:

AngeloArgue

1874 wrote: »

Im sure the Gardai were as part of their training/response, but how could they stop the family opening a window or speaking out the letterbox, IF they were not afraid of him and IF they were so concerned for his wellbeing, otherwise it looks like they were very concerned for their welbeing by not doing so, even before the ASU turned up??
I find it suspicious, even accidentally they could have answered the door to him?? something isn't right

The idea that his family should of done something is ridiculous.
As I said before: the events were sudden and quickly evolving. He turned up in the garden with the police following asking him to stop. Moments later he was shot dead.

mynamejeff

Snake Plisken wrote: »

This is not good if true

https://twitter.com/griptmedia/status/1346844175480795136?s=19

grounds of immediate sacking one would think ,

if a senior member of the GRA posted something like that im sure they would be getting a curly finger from drew harris


edit

im not sure that gript crowd should be taken as a source in this matter ,they appear to be right wing nut balls. I know the guy who wrote the relevant article and he has quite a history

1874

AngeloArgue wrote: »

The idea that his family should of done something is ridiculous.
As I said before: the events were sudden and quickly evolving. He turned up in the garden with the police following asking him to stop. Moments later he was shot dead.

Well they/someone seemingly had time to film from their house (the brother),
I think if my brother was knocking at the door Id be answering before wondering if the Gardai were also there and that I shouldnt be answering the door,

I never gathered that the ASU turned up s rapidly that some kind of stand off had not already developed with unarmed Gardai but I dont know,


What Im saying is, Im suspicious of the family, it seems to me that it would be natural/normal for a family member to open the door if someone knocked, or intervene if they became aware something was going on (right or wrong, regardless of what the Gardai thought or instructed them to do), so if they didnt, why not?
the other situation is they knew he left with a knife of some description and maybe even intent and had no intention of letting him back in.

Kivaro

Snake Plisken wrote: »

According to the article she has stood down
"Dr Conway is no longer a member of the Policing Authority, having finished her term shortly after sharing the tweets."

How did this nutcase get the Policing Authority position in the first place?
According to an article from The Times:

Garda reform ‘should be guided by sex workers, migrants and families of those who died in custody’

And that article was from last year.
No wonder she was going to have a preordained opinion of the shooting last week, before the completion of the official investigation. Jesus, the lunatics are really running the asylum in Ireland.

TomTomTim

As a recent DCU law graduate, it seems I had a lucky escape by not having her as a lecturer. Saying that, some of the ones I had were just as bad as her. For balance though, I had some really good lecturers, who didn't care about you writing about controversial topics once you used sound reason.

Beechwoodspark

I knew the name Vicky Conway was familiar -She hosts a hopelessly one sided biased podcast too. Listened to half of one episode and deleted it. Pathetic stuff.

Signore Fancy Pants

AngeloArgue wrote: »

The idea that his family should of done something is ridiculous.
As I said before: the events were sudden and quickly evolving. He turned up in the garden with the police following asking him to stop. Moments later he was shot dead.

It is far from ridiculous to suggest that his family unit should have acted in his interests, despite a protection order against him.

From what I gather (from unconfirmed open sourse reports) his brother recorded at least partial events from a window inside the property. His sister also claims she opened the door to him before him being shot.

From the above, it is doubtful that it was that quick. I cant say for certain but even 3 minutes outside the house is ample time for the family to step in.

While there are calls by some to say AGS "should have done something different", equally the family "should have done something diffferent".

In this context, was it the families' decision not to de-escalate the situation due to the protection order against the perpetrator?

Was AGS decision to fire rounds at the perpetrator due to his actions in Eurospar and immediate actions against AGS?

Is it reasonable to assess that a violent man armed with a bladed weapon, and a protection order from his family, after an assault and attempted assault on AGS, these factors combined gave good reason for AGS to discharge their firearm?

It will be heavily disputed what the perpetrators' intent was by going to his mothers house. We will never really know. Was he going to where he felt safe? Was he on a rampage of violence thay day with the final intent to harm his family? We will never know, but due to the protection order...is also has a place for discussion.

Annasopra

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Vicky Conway needs to stand down from the policing authority or at the very least absent herself from the George investigation

Did you even read the article?

Annasopra

For anyone who didnt read the Gript article in full Vicky Conway is a former member of the Policing Authority.

gozunda

Snake Plisken wrote: »

This is not good if true

https://twitter.com/griptmedia/status/1346844175480795136?s=19

It doesn't say whose tweets were retweeted.

Though it appears she was ex-officio shortly after she did so ...

Conway was not an official spokesperson for the Authority and that any views Dr Conway “may express” were her own and that they would not be commenting on matters related to the death of Mr Nkencho.

And

Dr Conway is no longer a member of the Policing Authority, having finished her term shortly after sharing the tweets.

tayto lover

1874 wrote: »

Well they/someone seemingly had time to film from their house (the brother),
I think if my brother was knocking at the door Id be answering before wondering if the Gardai were also there and that I shouldnt be answering the door,

I never gathered that the ASU turned up s rapidly that some kind of stand off had not already developed with unarmed Gardai but I dont know,


What Im saying is, Im suspicious of the family, it seems to me that it would be natural/normal for a family member to open the door if someone knocked, or intervene if they became aware something was going on (right or wrong, regardless of what the Gardai thought or instructed them to do), so if they didnt, why not?
the other situation is they knew he left with a knife of some description and maybe even intent and had no intention of letting him back in.

100%.
If my son or brother arrives at my front door with the Garda in tow I’d be out straight away to see what was happening.
The fact that they didn’t and the news that they had protection orders out against him really shows how dangerous THEY believed he was.
All in the Nkencho family was not right or rosy. Now they seem to be trying to use the whole sorry episode for their own benefit which imo is really disgusting.

suicide_circus

The Indo using a photo of George N as a child is utterly ridiculous.

Signore Fancy Pants

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

For anyone who didnt read the Gript article in full Vicky Conway is a former member of the Policing Authority.

For anyone who didnt read the Gript article in full, Vicky Conway was a member of the Policing Authority while she shared those Tweets.

As per the article.

"Dr Conway is no longer a member of the Policing Authority, having finished her term shortly after sharing the tweets."

Effects

AngeloArgue wrote: »

The idea that his family should of done something is ridiculous.

They had enough time to film it though. And didn't his sister open the door to him?

Frankie Machine

Joey, on your next lightning visit to the thread, you might corroborate the very casual assertion you made here yesterday -

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115818081&postcount=6327

- to avoid looking like someone who is no better than those manufacturers of fake news that your post was railing against.

mynamejeff

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

For anyone who didnt read the Gript article in full Vicky Conway is a former member of the Policing Authority.

that's a very misleading statement joey ????

she was still a member of the policing authority when she sent the tweets and only ceased to be afterwards

tayto lover

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

For anyone who didnt read the Gript article in full, Vicky Conway was a member of the Policing Authority while she shared those Tweets.

As per the article.

"Dr Conway is no longer a member of the Policing Authority, having finished her term shortly after sharing the tweets."

Must have been asked to resign as a result of the tweet.
How some of these supposedly educated people do such strange/gobshyte stuff is really mystifying. They’re up their own holes.

Gript's stock is rising.

mynamejeff

Deleted User wrote: »

Gript's stock is rising.

it shouldn't be

a lot of what they do is worse that the far left and flat out racist

Kivaro

tayto lover wrote: »

Must have been asked to resign as a result of the tweet.
How some of these supposedly educated people do such strange/gobshyte stuff is really mystifying. They’re up their own holes.

Maybe the alt/far right hacked her account. That is one of the excuses I've heard on here for their faux pas.

mynamejeff

mynamejeff wrote: »

it shouldn't be

a lot of what they do is worse that the far left and flat out racist

I think they're just as bad as each other. I'd rather both to remain on the fringes, where they belong.

tylercheribini

mynamejeff wrote: »

it shouldn't be

a lot of what they do is worse that the far left and flat out racist

"The Dublin-born son of a Jamaican immigrant, Ben Scallan is an Irish patriot and presenter for Gript media. " Bahahaha

weldoninhio

mynamejeff wrote: »

it shouldn't be

a lot of what they do is worse that the far left and flat out racist

Such as?

AlmightyCushion

Snake Plisken wrote: »

This is not good if true

https://twitter.com/griptmedia/status/1346844175480795136?s=19

A few days before the shooting she also tweeted about the anti-knife campaign started by the family of kid who was stabbed a year ago. I'm sure she doesn't see the irony of this at all.

https://twitter.com/drvconway/status/1343693132819525634

Hellokitty1212

Snake Plisken wrote: »

So just wanted to post this as US cops have body cams and you can see how scary it is to have someone come at you with a knife, the suspect clearly has problems but she is shot a number of times and still a threat.
Mods can remove if they don't think it's suitable, I just think it should show what police have to face and the split second decisions they need to make when faced with suspects with knifes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeYN4t1oJ2E

Holy hell!!!

The_Kew_Tour

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

A few days before the shooting she also tweeted about the anti-knife campaign started by the family of kid who was stabbed a year ago. I'm sure she doesn't see the irony of this at all.

https://twitter.com/drvconway/status/1343693132819525634

You could not make it up.