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George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*
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I have no agenda, I never mentioned no race or creed. Your agenda though with personal attacks when you lack arguments though are absolutely laughable.
Gotta love when people faced with real information that burst their hatred little bubble...
Like I said before, facts don't care about your feelings. So thanks for feeling, but you're not adding anything constructive to the discussion.
I didn't mention race or creed either
what personal attacks do you mean ?
if your posts are in good faith then you have a massive problem that no on here can help you with .
mabey you can see and read my intentions if you could look into my eyes:D:D
what real information have you posted ?
you raised some ridicules points that have been answered many times by many posters
as I ve said twice I think its best not to feed posters like you ,:) and to just report report report 0 -
Please stop
gotta love "the army" of arguments you all have. Of what? ten comments? only two people actually tried to engage in a discussion.
And mate you're no one to tell me to stop or not. If it hurts, that's your own problem and your view that needs to change, not mine.
Isn't freedom of expression a staple of democracy? Or is it just you trying to shut up someone because you disagree with him? 0 -
You're probably right. It's just - that comment was so utterly daft that I'm kind of fascinated as to the mindset behind it.BattleCorp wrote: »Why bother responding to that poster. They are clearly trolling.
Maybe it's just trolling, which would be rather boring.
But maybe it's something more interesting. You don't know unless you ask! 0 -
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Not sure how you can possibly infer that from my post.
Very simple Biko, because if you keep leveling your laws by the worse of society then your responses to the worse will progressively become exactly like you're trying to battle.
So if you keep writing into law by your worse cases of criminality instead of learning from those cases and cleverly writing laws that will difuse those, then you will eventually end up with a repressive regime like Saudi Arabia...
This is why if you got the gangland crimes, it's important to stop what's fueling their crime. You could pass a law to kill everyone in the gangs like the Philipines or all drug users, that's what you're advocating.
Or... you could make sure what makes their business move, that it becomes less profitable, that good education and resources are given to the teenagers they prey on (mostly white Irish btw) and eventually they dissipate because it stops being profitable for them to deal in what they deal.
This is text book crime fighting and there's plenty of examples of this around the world from the last few decades...
In your words though we should just legalize shooting everyone that is comiting a crime because you believe that laws should be written to placate the worse of society and not to actually removing it from society through civilized ways...
And by the way... the Philipines method has not been successfull...
The problem is, there's plenty of examples on how what you mentioned does not work, is just a matter of looking into it. 0 -
gotta love "the army" of arguments you all have. Of what? ten comments? only two people actually tried to engage in a discussion.
And mate you're no one to tell me to stop or not. If it hurts, that's your own problem and your view that needs to change, not mine.
Isn't freedom of expression a staple of democracy? Or is it just you trying to shut up someone because you disagree with him?
No one wants to listen to you. I’m pretty sure you wrecked heads about a week ago iirc, people either think you’re a troll or have already danced.
All of the points you raised above have either been discussed multiple times in the thread or are simply rediculous.
Also stop the ‘facts don’t care about your feelings’ Ben Shapiro quote in every second post, it’s lost all meaning at this stage.0 -
I have no agenda, I never mentioned no race or creed. Your agenda though with personal attacks when you lack arguments though are absolutely laughable.
Gotta love when people faced with real information that burst their hatred little bubble...
Like I said before, facts don't care about your feelings. So thanks for feeling, but you're not adding anything constructive to the discussion.
"Hatred bubble"??
You've already made it clear, that in regard to a discussion on this particular incident on another thread- - that you believe - if it was you brandishing a knife - that you wouldn't have been shot at all - "but because the guy was black it happened and people think it was justified"
From the reports to date- it is evident that the reason the guy was eventually shot was that he had repeatedly failed to drop his weapon and remained a threat to others. Previously the gardai have had to resort to shooting armed individuals in a limited number of cases and no none of them were black.
But yeah sure keeping kicking that can down the road ..0 -
mynamejeff wrote: »I didn't mention race or creed either
what personal attacks do you mean ?
if your posts are in good faith then you have a massive problem that no on here can help you with .
mabey you can see and read my intentions if you could look into my eyes:D:D
what real information have you posted ?
you raised some ridicules points that have been answered many times by many posters
as I ve said twice I think its best not to feed posters like you ,:) and to just report report report
"Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a term that refers to several types of arguments, most of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion to some irrelevant but often highly charged issue. The most common form of this fallacy is "A makes a claim x, B asserts that A holds a property that is unwelcome, and hence B concludes that argument x is wrong"."
I think you should be the one reported as you keep using ad hominems, not adding anything constructive to discussion and now playing the victim card.
When you have any kind of decent arguments I'll gladly reply to you. 0 -
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"Hated bubble"??
You've already made it clear, that in regard to a discussion on this particular incident on another thread- - that you believe - if it was you brandishing a knife - that you wouldn't have been shot at all - "but because the guy was black it happened and people think it was justified"
From the reports to date- it is evident that the reason the guy was eventually shot was that he had repeatedly failed to drop his weapon and remained a threat to others. Previously the gardai have had to resort to shooting armed individuals in a limited number of cases and no none of them were black.
But yeah sure keeping kicking that can down the road ..
That was a week ago? And before like I mentioned in my post, watch the Prime Time segment.
Jaysus you must be perfect never to change your mind. Also, do you remember on that thread how I went back and corrected a mistake I had done on a post?
You know what that is? That's being human and making mistakes, just like it is normal for people to change their opinions given more information coming to it.
The funny part is the perceived perfect individuals here that know it all about everything and when someone brings actual info to a discussion result in a number of ad hominem attacks because that's all they have, nothing else to add to the discussion.
And this for me is just laughable because, the inane lack of solid arguments and the automatic fall into personal attacks because none of you even bother to think about what you're writing, just spitting out whatever you read whenever and then acuse me of being the troll
Like I said, thanks for making me laugh, I'll continue to argue with those that bring actual info and arguments to the table and gladly listen and reply to those.0 -
BattleCorp wrote: »Why bother responding to that poster. They are clearly trolling.You're probably right. It's just - that comment was so utterly daft that I'm kind of fascinated as to the mindset behind it.
Maybe it's just trolling, which would be rather boring.
But maybe it's something more interesting. You don't know unless you ask!
Don't say it wasn't worth it in the end!
Very simple Biko, because if you keep leveling your laws by the worse of society then your responses to the worse will progressively become exactly like you're trying to battle.
So if you keep writing into law by your worse cases of criminality instead of learning from those cases and cleverly writing laws that will difuse those, then you will eventually end up with a repressive regime like Saudi Arabia...
This is why if you got the gangland crimes, it's important to stop what's fueling their crime. You could pass a law to kill everyone in the gangs like the Philipines or all drug users, that's what you're advocating.
Or... you could make sure what makes their business move, that it becomes less profitable, that good education and resources are given to the teenagers they prey on (mostly white Irish btw) and eventually they dissipate because it stops being profitable for them to deal in what they deal.
This is text book crime fighting and there's plenty of examples of this around the world from the last few decades...
In your words though we should just legalize shooting everyone that is comiting a crime because you believe that laws should be written to placate the worse of society and not to actually removing it from society through civilized ways...
And by the way... the Philipines method has not been successfull...
The problem is, there's plenty of examples on how what you mentioned does not work, is just a matter of looking into it.0 -
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"Ad hominem (Latin for 'to the person'), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a term that refers to several types of arguments, most of which are fallacious. Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion to some irrelevant but often highly charged issue. The most common form of this fallacy is "A makes a claim x, B asserts that A holds a property that is unwelcome, and hence B concludes that argument x is wrong"."
I think you should be the one reported as you keep using ad hominems, not adding anything constructive to discussion and now playing the victim card.
When you have any kind of decent arguments I'll gladly reply to you.
why would you start now ?
ill ask again so
what resources do you think the garda should have that would have prevented the necessary of using lethal force ?
more so that negation pepper spray tazer , shooting to disable (against regs ) and lethal force being the last resort ?
report away if you like im not he one trolling0 -
gotta love "the army" of arguments you all have. Of what? ten comments? only two people actually tried to engage in a discussion.
And mate you're no one to tell me to stop or not. If it hurts, that's your own problem and your view that needs to change, not mine.
Isn't freedom of expression a staple of democracy? Or is it just you trying to shut up someone because you disagree with him?
It doesn't hurt me, its cringey to read you tell people that all you need to do is to look into a persons eyes to know what they are going through in an armed stand off, then tell another poster to use facts not feelings when responding to you. Let the guards to their investigation, Im happy there wasn't a guard laid out bleeding in the garden because he tried to divine the inner George by looking into the windows of his soul.Loss of life is regrettable but this was a result of Georges actions. Also the race baiting online is the only thing fuelling this, if he was white this would be off the main news cycle by now.0 -
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It doesn't hurt me, its cringey to read you tell people that all you need to do is to look into a persons eyes to know what they are going through in an armed stand off, then tell another poster to use facts not feelings when responding to you. Let the guards to their investigation, Im happy there wasn't a guard laid out bleeding in the garden because he tried to divine the inner George by looking into the windows of his soul.Loss of life is regrettable but this was a result of Georges actions. Also the race baiting online is the only thing fuelling this, if he was white this would be off the main news cycle by now.
It does seem it hurt because you did comment didn't you?
One thing is feeling something based on nothing, another thing is experience in real life situations which I explained I have, like the person I was talking with have too.
I could say I am sadened that you took it out of context, but that's all part of your plan and others like you, create a different narrative so you can attack the person not the argument.
And then being told I should be reported? When all of you are the ones arguing against me not the discussion at hand? 0 -
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That was a week ago? And before like I mentioned in my post, watch the Prime Time segment. Jaysus you must be perfect never to change your mind. Also, do you remember on that thread how I went back and corrected a mistake I had done on a post?You know what that is? That's being human and making mistakes, just like it is normal for people to change their opinions given more information coming to it. The funny part is the perceived perfect individuals here that know it all about everything and when someone brings actual info to a discussion result in a number of ad hominem attacks because that's all they have, nothing else to add to the discussion.
And this for me is just laughable because, the inane lack of solid arguments and the automatic fall into personal attacks because none of you even bother to think about what you're writing, just spitting out whatever you read whenever and then acuse me of being the troll Like I said, thanks for making me laugh, I'll continue to argue with those that bring actual info and arguments to the table and gladly listen and reply to those.
It remains if you had bothered to read any of the thread - your initial rant about what happened on the day would have been largely unnecessary.
Btw I've checked and I see no "actual info" added to the discussion in any of your comments
You said. "I have no agenda, I never mentioned no race or creed". So no least part of that does not stand up to scrutiny.
Of course we can all change our minds - but it is Interesting then you previously came to that conclusion that he was shot because of skin colour - without looking at the available facts or even waiting for a full disclosure of what happened. But hey its just easier to throw accusation such as racism or gardai going around shooting people just like the US etc etc around.
That aside - its truely bizarre you seem to constantly resort to making personal type comments and digs in relation and them scream that its others are engaging in ad hominem etc etc. I've read the other thread and Tbh I've no interest in engaging in your style of discussion any further. I'll leave you at it.0 -
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weldoninhio wrote: »It's not an ad hominem, as you pointed out earlier, an ad hominem is an attack on the person's character etc. That was just a wall of nonsense.
that is ad hominem, and now that you where called on it you pull the victim card. You all behave in the same way.
and btw... your opinion is really just that, your opinion, when you wish to join the grown ups in a constructive discussion, we're all here 0 -
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