George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

Witcher

newmember? wrote: »

A couple of attack dogs would be a lot cheaper and as effective in disarming a disturbed individual.

It costs tens of thousands to train a Garda dog, they're nearly more valuable than the handler.

Gatling

Effects wrote: »

The part where you said he had attacked someone with a deadly weapon.

He did hence why he was shot dead .

We know he violently attacked a shop worker and he was armed with the knife at the time ,

To say he didn't is making it up

Hellokitty1212

Gatling wrote: »

He did hence why he was shot dead .

We know he violently attacked a sho worker and he was armed with the knife at the time ,

To say he didn't is making it up

It’s deeply worrying how there’s a story about George that is being told against all evidence to the contrary.

Burkie1203

Hellokitty1212 wrote: »

It’s deeply worrying how there’s a story about George that is being told against all evidence to the contrary.

RTE broadcast an interview with a protester where she said "George wouldn't harm a fly".

That was 24 hours after he assaulted a shop worker, threatened his colleagues with a knife (and customers if any were there too probably felt threatened) before swiping at Gardai with said knife several times before being shot.

The story being put out there about him is very much a pile of bullsh1t.

The gofundme was at around 25k last time I saw it on Twitter

Witcher

Effects wrote: »

Exactly. He didn't attack anyone with the knife in the earlier part of the altercation. People here keep trying to say he did, despite all reports that say otherwise.

Ah that's grand so, he just physically assaulted a man and brandished it, which is an offence in itself.

Lets not get poor George, the man who tried to kill a Garda, wrong here.

That's the important thing, not the attempted murder.

Hellokitty1212

Effects wrote: »

Exactly. He didn't attack anyone with the knife in the earlier part of the altercation. People here keep trying to say he did, despite all reports that say otherwise.

If I go to work and I’m beaten up by someone carrying a knife - I doubt I’ll be arguing semantics of “attack”.

Gatling

Effects wrote: »

Exactly. He didn't attack anyone with the knife in the earlier part of the altercation. .

You don't know that ,we still don't have the full details of the attack in the shop we know it was a violent assault ,we know he went after the guards with the knife .
Most of whats being reported in Irish media is based off his family's claims ,

Tea drinker

Effects wrote: »

Exactly. He didn't attack anyone with the knife in the earlier part of the altercation. People here keep trying to say he did, despite all reports that say otherwise.

He threatened people, which is a *use* of the knife.

Omackeral

Still trying to wrap my head around the race angle. The absolute irony of it all is that it was black youths openly abusing and wishing death against white people on camera and that isn’t picked up on.

So in summary, no anti-black activity anywhere in this scenario yet we are lectured to by leaders about systematic racism and a need to do better. Our media are complicit in this too.

Clear as day anti-white sentiment on camera and not a peep.

F*ck off.

Omackeral

Effects wrote: »

I think all the experts here will tell you three things.
1. Bean bag rounds don't work.
2. Gardai don't know how to use them.
3. He deserved to die anyway.

I don’t think he “deserved” to die but it’s nobody’s fault but his own that he did.

AngeloArgue

People can see through language used in order to mislead the events that are known of the incident. When you say Nkencho attacked someone with the knife it gives the message that the knife made a stabbing or slash injury. And this is in the context of pictures circulated online which claimed to show the shop worker whose face Nkencho slashed. Or are trying to use misleading semantics in that he punched (attacked) someone and had a knife in his possession?

Words build worlds.

Nkencho didn't stab or slash anyone in the shop. From what we know he threatened people with it.
You do know the difference between threatening someone or attacking someone?

Witcher

AngeloArgue wrote: »

People can see through language used in order to mislead the events that are known of the incident. When you say Nkencho attacked someone with the knife it gives the message that the knife made a stabbing or slash injury. And this is in the context of pictures circulated online which claimed to show the shop worker whose face Nkencho slashed. Or are trying to use misleading semantics in that he punched (attacked) someone and had a knife in his possession?

Words build worlds.

Nkencho didn't stab or slash anyone in the shop. From what we know he threatened people with it.
You do know the difference between threatening someone or attacking someone?

Grand so, he just tried to kill a Garda then.

Gatling

Effects wrote: »

So say that then. Don't go twisting the facts.

Your doing the twisting ,you could have said you have no idea what happened and left it but no playing the fake news card , we know that doesn't end well

inforfun

Burkie1203 wrote: »

RTE broadcast an interview with a protester where she said "George wouldn't harm a fly".

I can kind of understand that friends and family come out with that ****. Even when they apparently had a protection order against him

What i can't understand nor accept is that the journalist\interviewer not comes back with: "How would you call beating someone up so badly, the guy is in the hospital?"

Journalist playing the activist. Absolute poison.

Hellokitty1212

Effects wrote: »

You'll just make out a really bad situation to be even worse than it was? Trying to gain sympathy or something?

Given the shop worker has a broken jaw and broken teeth I’d say the sympathy is right there.

Well not from you as you’re defending the knife wielding thug but everyone else.

Strumms

Effects wrote: »

You'll just make out a really bad situation to be even worse than it was? Trying to gain sympathy or something?

A knife is an illegal and deadly weapon... if you are carrying it without due legal cause. You’ll be arrested... if you are stopped and have a steak knife in your back pocket waking into the gym, centra, mass... you’ll get arrested, charged etc..you have no legal cause for possessing it.

If you have a knife in its packaging in a bag, with receipt and you can prove you are returning it to xx shop as it’s broken, on you’ll walk.

Omackeral

AngeloArgue wrote: »

People can see through language used in order to mislead the events that are known of the incident.

Exactly. Like the black on white racism witnessed in D15 being construed as white on black. Excellent point, poster.

Tea drinker

Effects wrote: »

So say that then. Don't go twisting the facts.

I didn't twist facts mate, your probably replying to wrong person or something

Omackeral

Effects wrote: »

So say that then. Don't go twisting the facts.

Just FYI, having a gun makes it an armed robbery. You don’t need to fire it for it to be “in play”. Same goes for any weapon brandished.

Omackeral

Effects wrote: »

You're the only one crying about fake news.

There’s another posting here doing precisely that but then doing a Houdini act every other day when called out on it.

Kraftwerk

Tea drinker wrote: »

I didn't twist facts mate, your probably replying to wrong person or something

To clarify all this then do we all agree.

He assaulted the shop worker but there's no evidence he attacked him with a knife.

He used the knife to threaten the staff in the shop, members of the public and the Gardai. And whatever happened at the post office is unclear.

He also used the knife to attack the Gardai during the shooting or so the video would suggest.

Tea drinker

Effects wrote: »

Well you went from someone saying he attacked the shop manager with a knife to you saying threatening someone is *using* a knife.

Choose your language more carefully, or people might think you're deliberately trying to mislead people about what happened.

show me, quote the posts

Zatoichi

Effects wrote: »

I think all the experts here will tell you three things.
1. Bean bag rounds don't work.
2. Gardai don't know how to use them.
3. He deserved to die anyway.

You're just arguing from bad faith at this point. No one says less lethal weapons do not work, only they are not magical weapons that always work. The video posted shows the police maintaining the correct distance from the knife man with them explicitly stating lethal force is ready if needed. The man with the knife is approaching the officers, not civilians. He shrugs off the first shot, but is still within a safe distance so they continue to use less lethal. If he had kept coming he would be dead.


George was walking away from the police and was going to go inside a house with civilian inside. The police had already used less lethal and it didn't work. Now they had to stop him getting inside the house which meant closing the safety gap where only lethal force is going to work. George swung a knife at a Garda's head and was shot.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfi3Ndh3n-g

Gothic Insanity

Witcher wrote: »

It costs tens of thousands to train a Garda dog, they're nearly more valuable than the handler.

And could you image the headlines from that..... They would be even worse....

sonofenoch

Effects wrote: »

Exactly. He didn't attack anyone with the knife in the earlier part of the altercation. People here keep trying to say he did, despite all reports that say otherwise.

What are you trying to prove with these posts here? who are you trying to convince and to what end? .....you're not Henry Fonda in 12 angry men, there's no argument to be had .......this guy ****ed up big time paid the ultimate price, the end


everything else is just waffle

Eric Cartman

Effects wrote: »

Exactly. He didn't attack anyone with the knife in the earlier part of the altercation. People here keep trying to say he did, despite all reports that say otherwise.

why did he deserve to live, genuinely, straight up question, what redeeming qualities of keeping this man alive are there.

I haven't a damn clue why anyone would defend George.

responses are not to include unproven accusations about mental health, just because a confirmed left aligned reporter in the Irish times got on a bandwagon doesn't make it fact.

Gatling

Effects wrote: »

I'm going by information that's been released by the Gardaí.


You're the only one crying about fake news.

They have released feck all about what happened ,your claiming people are making up claims despite being caught by the sack and still claiming everyone is wrong

Tea drinker

Gatling wrote: »

They have released feck all about what happened ,your claiming people are making up claims despite being caught by the sack and still claiming everyone is wrong

People are being misled by the independednt, the journal etc, they are saying Gardai say xyz then when you read the article it's an unnamed source.
So same as quoting a boardsie. Either official statement or it's not.

Jeff2

Some Garda's photo was posted online as the person who shot the guy and he is regular Garda with stab vest and blue short sleeve shirt.

This guy did nothing wrong no matter what the end result and is a target.

Holding a knife if front of people whilst threatening them is an illegal use of a knife.

Wtf are you trying to prove, effects?