George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

1800_Ladladlad

nullzero wrote: »

I hear Ruth Coppinger was invoking the "far right activists" again at the vigil and how their mass gatherings wounded the country "during covid" (the fact that covid is still around and worse than ever seems lost on her).

Next time I see her around Blanch I'll tell her to watch her step... she might slip on a far-right....

AnTarbh

biko wrote: »

I see some conflicting info on the mental illness George is supposed to have.

George Nkencho described himself as ‘self-driven, well-mannered and very disciplined’ but the murder of close friend Toyosi in 2010 his later life became afflicted by mental health issues.

Toyosi was fatally stabbed in Tyrrelstown.
Paul and Michael Barry were accused of murder.
Paul died before the trial began, Michael was found not guilty.

In a statement, George's sister Gloria said Mr Nkencho was ‘suffering from serious mental illness’.
I suppose we will see a psychiatrist weigh in on this soon.

Either way, I don't think the issue he had was impeding him from understanding what the Gardai was saying when they told him to drop the knife.

I wonder what Michael Barry is up to now. His brother died by suicide on the morning the trial was due to start.

clairevoyant

I'm wondering what criminal doesn't have "mental health issues"?? They use it like a license to get off scott free. it's makin a mockery out of people who genuinely do have problems and they are draining the resources for those people

Strumms

clairevoyant wrote: »

I'm wondering what criminal doesn't have "mental health issues"?? They use it like a license to get off scott free. it's makin a mockery out of people who genuinely do have problems and they are draining the resources for those people

Absolutely, they probably get referred to a state psychologist or by the state to a private psychologist costs mega bucks... all for the privilege or attempting to negate the responsibility for what they did...

Robbing a bank with guns isn’t normal behavior, it’s planned, premeditated, putting the health, wellbeing of the perpetrators, staff at risk, Gardai too possibly..

Do we take every bank robber, psychologist evaluation, sob story and walk ? we don’t, why it’s being advocated here... hmmm

Gothic Insanity

MOR316 wrote: »

Who?

Some random I think, I wasn't really minding but a huge amount of multiple tags.
That's got to be pressuring.

Gothic Insanity

AngeloArgue wrote: »

I know it's an old post but I admit I've become a bit of a police dog fan. I've been viewing a number of videos and I've seen some incredible work that they've done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2C3Ft2GVxI

Although it must be terrible on their handlers to send them into situations were there's a high likelihood of the being injured or killed. And then you have the debate around the ethical use of animals and there are many that object to their use because they bite.

Apparently some ARUs do have dog handlers that train with them. But I think their numbers are quite limited and patchy. Have a look at page 33 of this Garda inspectorate report which is commenting on the deployment of non-lethal tactics by the ARUs in the wake of the Barr (Abbylara) tribunal report

https://www.gsinsp.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Review-of-Practices-and-Procedures-for-Barricade-Incidents.pdf

Just imagine those headlines.... Mentally ill man gets mauled by police dogs...... Then it would be like.... How could the Gardai have sat back and let that happen.... When have they set dogs on a white man..... Jaysus it must be racism.

Funny enough though I only ever see police dogs in the air port for drug sniffing or at festivals.

screamer

Enquiry into this must be no different to any other similar situation- where an armed and dangerous person threatened safety of the public and refused to comply with garda instructions to lay down their weapon.
No special treatment because of the colour of his skin, that’s inclusivity not racism.

carfinder

screamer wrote: »

Enquiry into this must be no different to any other similar situation- where an armed and dangerous person threatened safety of the public and refused to comply with garda instructions to lay down their weapon.
No special treatment because of the colour of his skin, that’s inclusivity not racism.

Agreed. I would also say that the widely reported previous incident at the house, where Georges family feared for their safety must also be relevant to any enquiry. The family cant have it both ways, fearing for their safety a few months earlier but now appear to be claiming (or at least inferring) that George (and his knife?) was welcome to enter the house and they would have calmed him down and de-escalated the situation. Major problem in their whole narrative in my opinion

Esse85

AngeloArgue wrote: »

I know it's an old post but I admit I've become a bit of a police dog fan. I've been viewing a number of videos and I've seen some incredible work that they've done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2C3Ft2GVxI

Although it must be terrible on their handlers to send them into situations were there's a high likelihood of the being injured or killed. And then you have the debate around the ethical use of animals and there are many that object to their use because they bite.

Apparently some ARUs do have dog handlers that train with them. But I think their numbers are quite limited and patchy. Have a look at page 33 of this Garda inspectorate report which is commenting on the deployment of non-lethal tactics by the ARUs in the wake of the Barr (Abbylara) tribunal report

https://www.gsinsp.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Review-of-Practices-and-Procedures-for-Barricade-Incidents.pdf

To me that's risking the dogs life to save a dangerous criminal, anyone swinging a machete around deserves bullets, not should a poor animal have to try defuse that situation?

Dog training costs are huge, let the dogs do what they are better are, sniffing drugs, sniffing leads etc but don't send a dog in to be slaughtered by a scumbag swinging a blade.

punisher5112

Thread seems to have lost all its steam.....

Still no answer back from UCD about ebun Joseph, ebun Joseph herself (please please as many people please contact her), Luke O'Neil, justice minister and your one Chu the mayor somehow of Dublin.....

Pa ElGrande

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Here he is again with a statement.
Again, surreptitiously equating the USA to Ireland in an emotional, irrational, illogical mess which helps no-one, doesn't help in anyway in combatting racism but stirs the emotions of what I can only describe as easily influenced, 'well-meaning' individuals.
If he wants to help, he should be calling it ALL out and not heap destructive sh1t upon destructive sh1t.

Mr. Byrnes engagement rate:

67.4% of hozier's followers are female and 32.6% are male. Average engagement rate on the posts is around 3.20%. The average number of likes per post is 54620 and the average number of comments is 596.

source

It's business. They need to drive their social media engagement rate, with Covid dominating they have nothing to contribute and need a way to be seen as relevant. Andrew Byrne is yet another capitalising on Mr. Nkenchos death. It is customary in Ireland to express our condolences to the family of the deceased in the aftermath of a death, irrespective of the circumstances of that persons death or previous life. Would it be asking much for these people to stick to that? Instead they insist on using the racial and ethnic distinctions of a dead man to push their product.

source: Joe Rogan interview

"They find a pattern, a way they have to talk and the things they have to talk about and they lock into those things with no deviation, they find whatever the line is that Hollywood wants, it's always left, its always progressive, it's always super-woke, and they f***ing ride that line like a railroad train, just 'choo choo', no deviation. It's so obvious."

ShagNastii

There is so much commentary about narratives in this case being hijacked by the “far-right”. Am I the only one that rolls my eyes when people spew about the far right in Ireland or elsewhere.

You have Gemma and her ilk but let’s be honest, proportional to population absolutely nobody supports them (and the crap they pedal). As some have stated look at any rightwing parties performances in any Irish election.

Its like the KKK in America. At times you’d swear they were running states in the USA. Their membership is in the thousands. An absolute tear in the ocean.


I would point out as well unfortunate for Paul Murphy and PBP, our friends in FG, FF, the Gardai, the media are not ring wing fascists. Far from it actually.

Kivaro

ShagNastii wrote: »

There is so much commentary about narratives in this case being hijacked by the “far-right”. Am I the only one that rolls my eyes when people spew about the far right in Ireland or elsewhere.
......

You will find that there is only a tiny contingent of them on here who will use this "go to" deflection as soon as an incident occurs where black people are involved or shone in a negative light as a result of their own actions. This is how they try to shut down or censor the discussion .... on a discussion forum.

ThunbergsAreGo

ShagNastii wrote: »

There is so much commentary about narratives in this case being hijacked by the “far-right”. Am I the only one that rolls my eyes when people spew about the far right in Ireland or elsewhere.

You have Gemma and her ilk but let’s be honest, proportional to population absolutely nobody supports them (and the crap they pedal). As some have stated look at any rightwing parties performances in any Irish election.

Its like the KKK in America. At times you’d swear they were running states in the USA. Their membership is in the thousands. An absolute tear in the ocean.


I would point out as well unfortunate for Paul Murphy and PBP, our friends in FG, FF, the Gardai, the media are not ring wing fascists. Far from it actually.

No you are not alone, any mention of the far right generally means someone has last and argument or knows their position is a load of sh1t.

In Ireland the media driven far right is anyone who doesnt love NGOs, Margerat Cash and BLM.

The actual far right in Ireland is insignificant, and is not growing.

BattleCorp

Kivaro wrote: »

You will find that there is only a tiny contingent of them on here who will use this "go to" deflection as soon as an incident occurs where black people are involved or shone in a negative light as a result of their own actions. This is how they try to shut down or censor the discussion .... on a discussion forum.

It's more than just a tiny contingent of them though. It's starting to become common practice.

If you are losing an argument, an awful lot of them will call the poster a Nazi, or being part of the far right, and then they'll claim victory in their own mind.

Kivaro

BattleCorp wrote: »

It's more than just a tiny contingent of them though. It's starting to become common practice.

If you are losing an argument, an awful lot of them will call the poster a Nazi, or being part of the far right, and then they'll claim victory in their own mind.

Totally agree in mainstream media etc. But I said "on here" i.e. on boards. It's the same small merry group of posters who keep calling others alt right for daring to ask questions.
You will find that the likes of Twitter has greatly exasperated and exaggerated the notion of the far right. Reasonably-minded people i.e. people with critical thinking abilities should leave Twitter to the narcissists and their deluded ilk.

TheChizler

Kivaro wrote: »

Totally agree in mainstream media etc. But I said "on here" i.e. on boards. It's the same small merry group of posters who keep calling others alt right for daring to ask questions.
You will find that the likes of Twitter has greatly exasperated and exaggerated the notion of the far right. Reasonably-minded people i.e. people with critical thinking abilities should leave Twitter to the narcissists and their deluded ilk.

To continue this tangent, Twitter has amplified the notion of the far left as well, they're generally just louder and post more and committed to the cause. Most people are somewhere in the middle and don't have time for the left right rubbish.

Feisar

Esse85 wrote: »

To me that's risking the dogs life to save a dangerous criminal, anyone swinging a machete around deserves bullets, not should a poor animal have to try defuse that situation?

Dog training costs are huge, let the dogs do what they are better are, sniffing drugs, sniffing leads etc but don't send a dog in to be slaughtered by a scumbag swinging a blade.

When I come out of my fantasy utopia where dangerous criminals are exterminated by extreme state violence realistically a human's life is always going to trump an animals.

Beechwoodspark

Why the hell did the guards allow that protest go ahead when they literally arrested 3 ppl having a religious service the other day in Waterford for a breach of the restrictions??

Is it that there is a double standard at play here?

WrenBoy

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Why the hell did the guards allow that protest go ahead when they literally arrested 3 ppl having a religious service the other day in Waterford for a breach of the restrictions??

I'd say now you know as well as anybody Beechy

Sir Oxman

TheChizler wrote: »

To continue this tangent, Twitter has amplified the notion of the far left as well, they're generally just louder and post more and committed to the cause. Most people are somewhere in the middle and don't have time for the left right rubbish.

Agree that the vast majority of people (all people) in this country have no time for the extremes.
However, the dangerous purists on one extreme have their ideological brethren/sisterhood in every niche of society and institutions and media and the Oireachtas.

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

pumps out mental health lie

blames the 'far right' for lies.

well done PbP yet again proving honesty and politics rarely go together...

Gonna poke the bear here...

How is the mental health angle a lie?

Sir Oxman

Deleted User wrote: »

Gonna poke the bear here...

How is the mental health angle a lie?

I wouldn't agree that the mental health reportage is a lie as such.



However, that cannot be used (with the colour of the man's skin) as the excuse to accuse or fuel claims of racism in this incident.

I've seen public reps and TDs and Senators and NGO lifers use other examples of non-death at the hands of the ERU with zero context applied to do just that.
Mental health and skin colour has been used as a political scoring point and shame on those that do that.

weldoninhio

Deleted User wrote: »

Gonna poke the bear here...

How is the mental health angle a lie?

Have any medical records of his mental health been released? Has any psychiatrist reported that they were treating the deceased? Has anyone throwing the "mental health" card around, including his family, given any actual idea of what mental health diagnosis he had? Easy to scream "mental health", but mental health is neither a disease nor a diagnosis.

nullzero

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Gonna poke the bear here...

How is the mental health angle a lie?

It isn't.

The problem for the mental health argument is that it doesn't trump the fact that what George Nkencho did was a criminal act and his actions alone lead to the outcome he had.

Whilst George Nkencho may well have been suffering with his mental health, to suggest that it should have been incumbent upon the Gardai to treat him differently because of his mental health issues (which they could not have known about at the time) than what they did is ridiculous.

It is also notable that a lot of people pushing the mental health issue are also happy to raise the spectre of the far right and how Ireland is a utopia for racists and bigots and all minorities are actively oppressed by the state.

jimmycrackcorm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Why the hell did the guards allow that protest go ahead when they literally arrested 3 ppl having a religious service the other day in Waterford for a breach of the restrictions??

Is it that there is a double standard at play here?

We all know that the minute they take any action that those same protesters will immediately start crowing about police racism. Remember this video?

nullzero

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

We all know that the minute they take any action that those same protesters will immediately start crowing about police racism. Remember this video?

"I'm not having police brutality in Ireland fam"

Then go to South London where people call each other fam then.

Gardai detaining a subject isn't brutality, yet again facts have no place with these idiots.

TomTomTim

TheChizler wrote: »

To continue this tangent, Twitter has amplified the notion of the far left as well, they're generally just louder and post more and committed to the cause. Most people are somewhere in the middle and don't have time for the left right rubbish.

I don't see much credence to this position, when nearly every corporation in the west is bending over to placate them, when they often get policies created based on their whims, when they control many institutions that power flows from. Even if they are a tiny minority, they have significant power, far more so than the majority. You can't in honesty compare them to the "far right", who have almost zero political power, at least in Ireland.

AnTarbh

TomTomTim wrote: »

I don't see much credence to this position, when nearly every corporation in the west is bending over to placate them, when they often get policies created based on their whims, when they control many institutions that power flows from. Even if they are a tiny minority, they have significant power, far more so than the majority. You can't in honesty compare them to the "far right", who have almost zero political power, at least in Ireland.

You love to paint yourself as under attack.

olestoepoke

Effects wrote: »

Yeah, it's documented. He was on a HSE waitlist as far as I know.
Public health system isn't that great here to be honest, you generally have to wait a long time for a lot of things.

Maybe that HSE list is also a part of the racist conspiracy here in "far right" Ireland.