George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

ExMachina1000

NIMAN wrote: »

If a guy is running at armed police with a knife, why not shot him in the legs or knees?

They didn't shoot until he raised the knife and pounced at a garda from close distance. Split decision. If they miss a garda could be dead this evening

Im melting away

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Actually this close to unfollowing the thread, how there’s so many people who think they know the right way for a Garda to do their job in a situation like this is beyond me.

YEAH HE COULD HAVE DONE [insert idea]

Here’s the facts though, if he didn’t respond, he could’ve died. That’s the end of it.

Why would you do that, when you're educateing people (myself included) on why guards shoot mass, with certain tactics and reasons.

Are you a guards or firearm specialist?

fullstop

Gatling wrote: »

No , could have being dealt with without killing him , unless there was a direct and immediate threat to someone's else life then no

Well there was an immediate threat to someone else’s life, so you now agree it was justified. Sound.

PearseCork92

NIMAN wrote: »

If a guy is running at armed police with a knife, why not shot him in the legs or knees?

The video I saw, it appears he was extremely close to the Garda and the angle of the knife looked like bad news for his life within milliseconds. If I'm an armed cop I'm going for the torso and going home to my family that night.

Lets Dance

NIMAN wrote: »

If a guy is running at armed police with a knife, why not shot him in the legs or knees?

Much easier to miss and then you have the danger of bullet ricochet. Might not not even stop him.

Aim for the centre and take him down.

Danzy

NIMAN wrote: »

If a guy is running at armed police with a knife, why not shot him in the legs or knees?

Not the time to pretend you are in a movie when that is happening.

Anyone who plays like that shouldn't be a police officer anywhere.

riffmongous

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how could it have been dealt with better?

I just had a look at the video... looks like the final shot is delivered because one guard is right beside him, that's questionable anyway

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

NIMAN wrote: »

If a guy is running at armed police with a knife, why not shot him in the legs or knees?

???

Not what I'd be thinking if someone was lunging at me with a Knife. It's me or him and I've a gun.

Omackeral

Dr Joseph is retweeting some sh*te.

Andri@Andriana_Smani
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It took TWO gardaí to disarm a yt man in town who was carrying a knife a few months ago... the man is alive and well..... today a black man that has a mental illness was shot by gardai for the same thing because apparently they couldn’t disarm him .....
Dr Ebun Joseph Retweeted

Threes
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All I’m saying is if a white man was carrying a knife, 15 Gardai aren’t being called out to deal with it and he’s definitely not being shot dead.
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Jack Kennedy
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There is simply no justification for use of firearms against someone armed only with a knife.

This man had hurt no one and was going home. The deployment of the ASU was a dramatic escalation, and the fault is clearly with Gardaí.

Donald Trump

Omackeral wrote: »

Yes, of course.

''The officers could have tasered him. Why was that not the next step to deescalating the situation?

Please, 2020 has taken enough, let’s not add to it. Please, please, please''

Eh, they did taser him. Educate yourself there, Doc.

She'll be fierce conflicted now if anyone wants to raise a statue of this fella.

ohnonotgmail

riffmongous wrote: »

I just had a look at the video... looks like the final shot is delivered because one guard is right beside him, that's questionable anyway

the video only shows the final few seconds. you are second guessing what happened up to that point. from the information we have he lunged at a garda with a knife. A knife he had already used to hurt someone. That is an immediate threat to life and the garda response at that time was appropriate.

PearseCork92

riffmongous wrote: »

I just had a look at the video... looks like the final shot is delivered because one guard is right beside him, that's questionable anyway

I've seen incidents where slightly built men are off their tree on meth or something and three cops can't control them. Kicking and bucking with the strength of a heavyweight boxer. Adrenaline, substances and a mental break can turn men into a severe danger for law enforcement.

I'm not rubbing my hands with glee over the shooting, but I'm glad the Garda can go home to his wife and see 2021.

ExMachina1000

#JusticeForGeorgeNkencho

Stick that into Twitter.
You might feel angry, confused and a little bit offended by the comments and posts that await

Fann Linn

NIMAN wrote: »

If a guy is running at armed police with a knife, why not shot him in the legs or knees?

If I recall correctly from my days of military training it was 'the lowest, most central part of the torso' that you aimed for.

Forget shooting in the head, leg, arms etc. Shoot to the chest to kill was the training.

And again, going by the 6 rules for firing round ball ammunition, the rules of engagement were:

In defence of life.
In defence of comrades life.
To prevent yourself from being forcibly disarmed.
To prevent your comrade from being forcibly disarmed.
To prevent a jailbreak.
To prevent damage or destruction to property entrusted to the military for its protection.

This was over 30 years ago so rules may have changed.

NIMAN

PearseCork92 wrote: »

The video I saw, it appears he was extremely close to the Garda and the angle of the knife looked like bad news for his life within milliseconds. If I'm an armed cop I'm going for the torso and going home to my family that night.

Haven't seen any video so only basing my comment on what I imagined might have happened.

If he was close enough to kill a guard and was still swinging a knife, then I would have no sympathy for him.

Donald Trump

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

#JusticeForGeorgeNkencho

Stick that into Twitter.
You might feel angry, confused and a little bit offended by the comments and posts that await

Jedward are on the case!


https://twitter.com/planetjedward/status/1344341172811132928

Kivaro

''The officers could have tasered him. Why was that not the next step to deescalating the situation?

Please, 2020 has taken enough, let’s not add to it. Please, please, please''

Ebun Joseph thinks that she received asylum in either the States or the UK.
Officers? This is Ireland. They are called the Gardai. She's a racist idiot.

Well done to the Gardai today.

riffmongous

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the video only shows the final few seconds. you are second guessing what happened up to that point. from the information we have he lunged at a garda with a knife. A knife he had already used to hurt someone. That is an immediate threat to life and the garda response at that time was appropriate.

That just reads like a press office statement rather than a response. I'm not saying the gardai are wrong here, just that it's questionable and needs to be answered as it's the difference between 'man shot by gardai' and 'man killed by gardai'

Signore Fancy Pants

NIMAN wrote: »

If a guy is running at armed police with a knife, why not shot him in the legs or knees?

It really isn't as simple as that.

Ultimately, the decision to discharge a firearm will come down to the perceived threat at the time. Obviously, a person must consciously decide the threat warrants a squeeze of a trigger.

Aiming at "legs or knees" is not considered a solution to a close quarter threat. If you are aiming at a small or a moveable target, there is a chance to miss or not to be effective enough to stop the advancement of the threat.

If non lethal force has been applied and the threat persists, a targeted shot at a large enough mass should be considered to mitigate against the threat.

walshb

Donald Trump wrote: »

Jedward are on the case!


https://twitter.com/planetjedward/status/1344341172811132928

They can go and fook right off!!

Any threads set up for the people terrorised by the shop robbery?

billyhead

The guards were right to shoot him. They had to protect their colleagues from an armed threat. If this happened in other countries there would be no questions asked.

LuasSimon

Thankfully all Gardaí and shopkeeper are ok , after what happened that poor guard in Castlerea Roscommon earlier this year its important no chances are taken with criminals that have no respect for the law and society .

ExMachina1000

Donald Trump wrote: »

Jedward are on the case!


https://twitter.com/planetjedward/status/1344341172811132928

Read the comments.

"So sad to hear about the poor man"

touts

Sounds like the Guards tried to subdue him with a taser and pepper spray. He threatened members of the public and members of the Gardai. Job well done by the Gardai by all accounts.

The usual left wing rabble rousers are out and wouldn't be happy unless there were the dead bodies of at least 10 Gardai around him before he was shot. The silent majority are firmly behind the Gardai in this case.

Omackeral

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

#JusticeForGeorgeNkencho

Would love to know what these loons would describe as justice. The EuroSpar manager will be forgotten in all of this I suspect as he lays in hospital for having the temerity to work for a living.

riffmongous

PearseCork92 wrote: »

I've seen incidents where slightly built men are off their tree on meth or something and three cops can't control them. Kicking and bucking with the strength of a heavyweight boxer. Adrenaline, substances and a mental break can turn men into a severe danger for law enforcement.

I'm not rubbing my hands with glee over the shooting, but I'm glad the Garda can go home to his wife and see 2021.

Sure right, not disagreeing with it, rather, just looking at the video, would it not be better to move away from someone like that after stopping them than moving in close

Donald Trump

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Read the comments.

"So sad to hear about the poor man"

Strange that.



One would expect very high level IQ from individuals who get their information and guidance from Jedward

Spanish Eyes

I'd say his family would have been massacred if Gardai weren't on the scene.

From what I can see Gardai did everything possible to take him down by non lethal methods. The time comes when that is no longer effective.

billyhead

touts wrote: »

Sounds like the Guards tried to subdue him with a taser and pepper spray. He threatened members of the public and members of the Gardai. Job well done by the Gardai by all accounts.

The usual left wing rabble rousers are out and wouldn't be happy unless there were the dead bodies of at least 10 Gardai around him before he was shot. The silent majority are firmly behind the Gardai in this case.

You'll get Paul Murphy and Richard Boyd Barrett cribbing about how unjust it was. Them and their supporters are complete numpties.

Bill Ponderosa

Play by the sword die by the sword.