George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

ohnonotgmail

enricoh wrote: »

How are this lot funded? If they get a fiver from the taxpayer it's a disgrace. Is that pat finucanes son the solicitor?

it is

Witcher

Aubrey Faint Limo wrote: »

Deploying the Defence Forces night be premature but they can be used as an aid to be civil power assisting AGS.

They assisted AGS in Limerick in the 2000's and decent people like me were grateful to them and AGS. Scumbags were a little reluctant to kick off at a checkpoint when the people manning the checkpoint had Steyrs.

People had enough of the scum in Limerick back then and there was a heavy crackdown. People here despised the gangs, scum are scum.

That was just a show, they haven't actually got any power behind that. They're an aid to the civil power, they are not the civil power. They assist on missing person searches etc. Not in public order matters.

Hercule Poirot

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

Well i don't know the family or anything, but from what i've read from the brothers statement, yes there is a history of such, and it was well know to the local Gardai.

So what kind of mental illness did he have? And who diagnosed this illness? I assume he was getting treatment for it if everyone was aware of this illness?

At the end of the day, and I've said this before in this thread - being mentally ill means nothing if you are attacking someone with a machete. All reasonable, non-lethal attempts were used to defuse the situation (according to reports) - shooting him dead was the last resort.

jackboy

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/videos/george-nkencho-protesters-walk-through-blanchardstown-shopping-centre-and-take-knee-in-front-of-traffic-39918285.html

The Irish times has reported no rioting they report a peaceful protest ..with a take the knee.

There was no riot.

jjmcclure

If someone stabbed or slashed my son/daughter while they work working for a living at a petrol station or convenience store I would have no problem sticking a gun up the offenders A**H*LE and pulling the trigger until it went CLICK (to quote Jesus from the Big Lebowski)


We can't have criminals running around unchecked. It has gone on too long already.


Its a pity the lad had to die, but we make our own beds.....

ThewhiteJesus

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

Well i don't know the family or anything, but from what i've read from the brothers statement, yes there is a history of such, and it was well know to the local Gardai.

Does being stabbed by someone with a mental illness hurt less or something?

Is it less fatal?

The Gardai have a right to protect themselves regardless of what people might think.

As for mental illness, that's not the remit of Gardai primarily. He was armed, he attacked people, the property he was outside had people inside and he then attacked police officers.

Having attempted too control the situation verbally, having then attempted less lethal options, there was no other option left.

It's that simple. It really is. All the talk afterwards is just keyboard warriors who haven't a clue.

Tzardine

jackboy wrote: »

There was no riot.

Plenty of disturbances though.

Bigmac1euro

Witcher wrote: »

Gardai are entitled to their time off the same as anyone else

Would they not have a certain amount of units on call in case of a big emergency?

What about taking some guards from another station?

I never said they didn’t deserve their time off.

jackboy

Tzardine wrote: »

Plenty of disturbances though.

Yes but that is very different to a riot.

NickNickleby

walshb wrote: »

Ok,

so I take your deflection as a no....the state cannot use the army IF anarchy is happening that our Gardai cannot control..?!

Leave it there...

I just thought that an "option" for the state was defence forces/army.

This is interesting because I remember seeing checkpoints with Garda and Army. I've see Army personnel in riot gear. In Dublin.

Search youtube for this "Inter-Agency Public Order Training"

corks finest

brilou23 wrote: »

Was he not swinging a knife at the cops. If he was it's justified IMO.

Yes

TomTomTim

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/videos/george-nkencho-protesters-walk-through-blanchardstown-shopping-centre-and-take-knee-in-front-of-traffic-39918285.html

The Irish times has reported no rioting they report a peaceful protest ..with a take the knee.

The media said this time and time again when it came to the American riots; there was even that famous video of the journalist saying an event was "mostly peaceful" while a building was burning behind him. The media simply have no credibility when it comes to these matter, because like yourself, they are on the side of these types.

KyussB

Scotty # wrote: »

It's not the Garda's job to stand there and get stabbed.

At the moment he was shot he was in the midst of a frenzied knife attack as the video clearly shows. At that moment, the Gardaí had no option but to use lethal force. In my opinion it was justified.

Except our country's newspaper of record states the shot happened first.

walshb

Witcher wrote: »

That was just a show, they haven't actually got any power behind that. They're an aid to the civil power, they are not the civil power. They assist on missing person searches etc. Not in public order matters.

So, they can't physically do anything, is this what you are saying?

I am interested in this...so don't think this is me badgering you...

I just always assumed that a state can use extreme and great powers to assist society in times of real emergency...

Not saying this is such a time....just wondering....

Tzardine

jackboy wrote: »

Yes but that is very different to a riot.

Tomato / Tomato

B.A._Baracus

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

Well i don't know the family or anything, but from what i've read from the brothers statement, yes there is a history of such, and it was well know to the local Gardai.

Lies until proven correct is my mentality.

Bonniedog

jackboy wrote: »

There was no riot.

Just your everyday rampage through shopping areas, attacking passers-by, and buses and people at petrol stations.

um7y1h83ge06nx

Witcher wrote: »

That was just a show, they haven't actually got any power behind that. They're an aid to the civil power, they are not the civil power. They assist on missing person searches etc. Not in public order matters.

I guess their assault rifles were loaded with blanks too?

Although to me fair a member of the PDF told me people used to ask him were their guns loaded when he used to do cash in transit protection back in the old days.

NIMAN

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/videos/george-nkencho-protesters-walk-through-blanchardstown-shopping-centre-and-take-knee-in-front-of-traffic-39918285.html

The Irish times has reported no rioting they report a peaceful protest ..with a take the knee.

Thats the problem with the social media world we live in, you don't know which story is real, how accurate it is, or if its all nonsense.

Maybe there was just a walk through the shopping centre?
Maybe there were no buses attacked? Who knows if you haven't seen a video to prove it?

Social media has easily been the worse invention of the modern age. So dangerous.

ToddDameron

jackboy wrote: »

There was no riot.

I didn't know that you can peacefully throw objects at Garda vehicles.

malinheader

Tzardine wrote: »

That's the feeling of a lot of people in that age group. But that does not make them "foreign"

Foreign to me if they hate everything about my country.
Free plane tickets to wherever they think they belong.

amacca

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

It isn't.

So why the lethal force?

I don't want this to become normal here.

Because he was behaving in way that could prove lethal to other innocent parties.

He appears to have had many chances to stop behaving that way and save his own life. If it was up to me he would get one and one only.

If he showed up anywhere near myself or my family being an obvious threat like the stuff described yesterday I would be grateful to the guards for doing what they had to.

Speaking as a victim of an unprovoked attack (a long time ago), there seems to be no other way to deal with threats like this........

In one sense I think perhaps if they had an effective non-lethal way (seems like both options simply didn't work here) then use that but another part of me thinks with a guy like this you are just delaying the moment in the future when he harms some other innocent person.

PearseCork92

Witcher wrote: »

That was just a show, they haven't actually got any power behind that. They're an aid to the civil power, they are not the civil power. They assist on missing person searches etc. Not in public order matters.

I doubt the plonkers in the Limerick gangs understood the intricacies of the legal mandate of the Defence Forces and constitutional intricacies of the same. They did however understand the language of a loaded gun.

Danzy

KyussB wrote: »

Look, don't make shit up 'maybe he had a gun?!' etc. is just bullshit.

A person entering their own fucking home shouldn't be shot for it. Drop that attempt at justification.

When that person is a deranged psycho who has already attached 2 people, with a machete, threatened more and has a history of extreme violence, then it is more than enough justification.

What do you think they should have done, let him go, maybe get a gun, barricade himself in to the house, who knows.

They might not be the highest earning people in society but they'll still want to go home alive to their families and keep the community safe.

jackboy

jackboy wrote: »

Yes but that is very different to a riot.

I'd call it the tinder for a riot. It doesn't mean one will happen, but...

ThewhiteJesus

jjmcclure wrote: »

If someone stabbed or slashed my son/daughter while they work working for a loving at a petrol station or convenience store I would have no problem sticking a gun up the offenders A**H*LE and pulling the trigger until it went CLICK (to quote Jesus from the Big Lebowski)


We can't have criminals running around unchecked. It has gone on too long already.


Its a pity the lad had to die, but we make our own beds.....

haha wasn't it "the jesus" what a character !!

whisky_galore

jackboy wrote: »

There was no riot.

There's a long night ahead, angry people shut up for months, and it's new years eve.

I'd be surprised if a peaceful protest is all we will see. Devil finds work for idle hands.

Hercule Poirot

KyussB wrote: »

The guards are meant to be trained and equipped to defend against knife attacks (they had ample time to prepare in this case, 2 hours by the sounds of it...), and to disarm and arrest people with a knife in a non-lethal way - that's what they're trained and paid for, and are supposed to be trained to do this without creating risk for themselves or others.

If they fail, then they've either fucked up, encountered an impossible situation (rare...), or they've encountered a new scenario which they need to learn from and train better from, so that something like this never happens again.

That's the very high standard we hold the guards up to, and which they need to meet.

You keep saying knife, it was a ****ing machete - Gards aren't Jackie Chan wannabes who will face down a psycho with a machete ffs

ohnonotgmail

KyussB wrote: »

Except our country's newspaper of record states the shot happened first.

they watched the same video everybody else has. they have no idea what happened immediately preceding the start of the video. he was apparently tasered and pepper sprayed but that is not on the video so the video does not show everything that happened.

Kraftwerk

ToddDameron wrote: »

I didn't know that you can peacefully throw objects at Garda vehicles.

It's violent to throw rocks but other than that it was peaceful. Oh and kicked busses, door shutters, shouting abuse, spitting at Gards, fighting etc. Other than all the violence it was peaceful.