George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

Wibbs

The chan chan man wrote: »

That said, surely a bullet to the thigh or calf would be more appropriate than shooting to kill?!

This has been explained time and time again in the thread why trained police aim for the torso.

Wibbs wrote: »

It doesn't work like that. This isn't Hollywood.

1) far more risk of missing the assailant.

2) far more risk of hitting an innocent bystander

3) harder to hit a much smaller target in a rapidly moving escalation.

4) less likely to stop the assailant

5) being shot in the leg if it hits the femoral artery is as likely to result in death as a belly shot

So police are trained to aim for the largest part of the body, the torso.

Bigmac1euro

Tzardine wrote: »

Dear mods,

Please could you ban me from this thread.

I have not done anything to deserve it, but I keep getting dragged back into this train wreck, despite my best efforts to stay away.

Honestly some people would look at a blue sky and argue that it was actually snowing.

Hahahahaha
I feel the same way.
The fact people are defending the criminal is just unbelievable. Thankfully not many but more than enough.

weisses

humberklog wrote: »

One positive from this shooting-
People that deny the existence of problematic black gang in irish society are shown to be ignorant fools

The only gang not being problematic would be Kool and the gang

Plumbthedepths

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Its a legit question.

Why did an unarmed guard with zero protection ..go up to a man who he thought was armed and dangerous ..? Partic when there are armed guards there ?

People have said it on the thread not me....it would be foolish to attempt to do this.

Can I ask which alternative reality do you exist in and do you intend coming back to earth anytime soon?

hynesie08

The chan chan man wrote: »

If you swing a knife at shoppers and gardai then of course you run the risk of being taken down. That said, surely a bullet to the thigh or calf would be more appropriate than shooting to kill?!

I covered this earlier, not only is a leg more difficult to hit (and if you miss your colleague is dead) but if that bullet goes through the femural artery, it would be a slow agonising death.

ExMachina1000

NickNickleby wrote: »

I think Blanch Garda will have difficult choices tonight.

Based on Twitter etc videos, I wouldn't imagine we'll see riots, per se. However, if your house or car is targeted, you wouldn't really care about the definition of the commotion. So, if the Gardai remain in the station, there's probably a fair chance that there'll be sporadic incidents. Should they be permitted, on the basis that they'll eventually fizzle out? On the other hand, if the Gardai take to the streets, will that be the excuse the naughty element are waiting for?

In my own view it should be : stay in the station, but when something kicks off, go in HARD. A half hearted effort will only let them think they have the upper hand. Better to stay in the station than give a weak response.

Take a stand. Capitulation gives the impression of weakness.
Treat it like any other night. Anyone committing crimes arrested etc.
Public order units will be at the ready to deploy.

If Gardai hide away they will regret it down the line. Own the streets. We have laws in Ireland and the Gardai are employed to enforce them.

osarusan

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I am not defending this guy.

I am just asking questions.

And yes I would ask the same questions.

This guy was no angel. Did he deserve to die...definitely not. I don't think anyone in this thread believes this either.

The question was ...did he need to die.

My opinion is no.


However i can see how people might reach the conclusion he did need to from all the false news and the videos etc. And everything else.

But that is not my conclusion.

I would want to ask the same questions if he were white.

But would we be here if he was white? I dont know.

And its all hypothetical ..he wasn't white.

As I said a full year ago:

osarusan wrote: »

You have plagued this forum for far too long with your horsesh!t posts.

Unbelievable that you are still around tbh.

ILoveYourVibes

Tzardine wrote: »

Honestly some people would look at a blue sky and argue that it was actually snowing.

And they have the right to do so.

Even if i am proved wrong. I have the right to ask questions.

And if no one asked these questions ..that wouldn't be much of a justice system


I HOPE the guards got it right.

I hope they did.

I hope there was no choice but to kill him.

humberklog

humberklog wrote: »

One positive from this shooting-
People that deny the existence of problematic black gang in irish society are shown to be ignorant fools

It won’t be reported though so the vast majority will only know what the media and politicians are peddling - peaceful demonstrations about a poor black man shot by evil Garda.

Lumen

Does anyone have a reliable/official source for the machete claim? By which I mean not a shaky video filmed from 100m away.

I would have thought that the Gardai would have mentioned that specifically in their statement if it was true, but AFAIK they mentioned only a "knife". Maybe that's a jargon issue though.

whisky_galore

walshb wrote: »

Are you advocating that the people charged with upholding law and order stay in their station when gangs are committing crimes? That ordinary folks simply cross their fingers that they don't become victims of these people?

Hobson's choice. Stay in, place gets wrecked. Go out, place gets wrecked.

Pity it's unlikely to piss rain, the one thing that makes protesting/crime under the cover of protesting unattractive in this country.

Plumbthedepths

The chan chan man wrote: »

If you swing a knife at shoppers and gardai then of course you run the risk of being taken down. That said, surely a bullet to the thigh or calf would be more appropriate than shooting to kill?!

Shooting someone is a last resort , weapons specialists are trained to aim for the centre mass. ie the torso. Shooting a leg or an arm is Hollywood fiction where even the bad guys get to go home when the camera stops.

end of the road

walshb wrote: »

You have explained nothing

You keep mentioning numbers...that is all

Gangs roaming around intimidating people in broad daylight, and your answer is we don't have the gardai numbers....

Pathetic...

because unfortunately it is true, there aren't the numbers.
it's not his fault, it's the government's fault for being the pathetic ones and not investing in numbers.

ILoveYourVibes

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It won’t be reported though so the vast majority will only know what the media and politicians are peddling - poor black man shot by evil Garda.

We do know there are black criminals. It is reported.

We do also know this man was a criminal.

TomTomTim

Bigmac1euro wrote: »

Hahahahaha
I feel the same way.
The fact people are defending the criminal is just unbelievable. Thankfully not many but more than enough.

It's actually tame in comparison to the grooming gang and beheading threads, where many were more worried about racism than the disgusting acts mentioned.

statesaver

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Sierra Oscar

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

And they have the right to do so.

Even if i am proved wrong. I have the right to ask questions.

And if no one asked these questions ..that wouldn't be much of a justice system


I HOPE the guards got it right.

I hope they did.

I hope there was no choice but to kill him.

Luckily we have a fully independent Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission that conducts a full, independent and impartial investigation when Gardaí utilize lethal force.

Lumen

Lumen wrote: »

Does anyone have a reliable/official source for the machete claim? By which I mean not a shaky video filmed from 100m away.

I would have thought that the Gardai would have mentioned that specifically in their statement if it was true, but AFAIK they mentioned only a "knife". Maybe that's a jargon issue though.

We won't know until the Garda report. Then there'll be more rioting.

lolokeogh

All ifs and buts and folk making decisions on what they have seen,and thats fair enough,but facts are he entered a shop and left some dude with nasty ole injurys from the slaps,then hit the post office,that gives the impression that we have a dude that is on a rampage,does not seem like it was a dude robbing a shop,getting it wrong and legging it,he was followed by guards home as i persume he had knife in hand,and in one video you can see hes looking back muttering,and then the garden video,i do think the first shot was a warning,and the rest well we know what happened,and because of his actions it does stink of the lad not been well..did he deserve to be shot??well he got all the warnings,tasered,pepper spray,warning shot..after that if hes lunging and swiping a blade with a guard armed there realy is no other option..thats just my 2 cents,right or wrong.oh also some reports the guards tackled him in shops,so maybe it was a wise decision to let him walk if he was freaking it??who knows?

Rezident

Why is this such a big issue for some people? Waving a lethal weapon at armed police? Of course he's dead. Good. Next.

Hercule Poirot

The chan chan man wrote: »

If you swing a knife at shoppers and gardai then of course you run the risk of being taken down. That said, surely a bullet to the thigh or calf would be more appropriate than shooting to kill?!

Multiple reasons, but I'll outline a few:

A risk of hitting a smaller target means you're more likely to miss and might hit an innocent bystander via a ricochet

Shooting someone in the leg doesn't necessarily incapacitate them, unless you get the right spot

You don't want the bullet to pass through the person you're taking down, as per my first reason, so you aim for the chest as it has the most meat and is more likely to hold the bullet

This isn't Hollywood where people can shoot with amazing accuracy - you are trained to act as if you only have one shot, so you make the most of it

ohnonotgmail

Lumen wrote: »

Does anyone have a reliable/official source for the machete claim? By which I mean not a shaky video filmed from 100m away.

I would have thought that the Gardai would have mentioned that specifically in their statement if it was true, but AFAIK they mentioned only a "knife". Maybe that's a jargon issue though.

whether it was a knife or machete makes little difference. both are deadly.

um7y1h83ge06nx

Those people that attacked the Spar shop are blatant racists and it's all on video.

Gmol

The chan chan man wrote: »

If you swing a knife at shoppers and gardai then of course you run the risk of being taken down. That said, surely a bullet to the thigh or calf would be more appropriate than shooting to kill?!

Why don't you try that, get a nerf gun and give someone a fake machete. Keep the gun on them for 20 min and then let them swing for you and see if you can hit them in the leg.

Rezident

Rezident wrote: »

Why is this such a big issue for some people? Waving a lethal weapon at armed police? Of course he's dead. Good. Next.

There’s one single reason it’s an issue. I know what it is and you know what it is, but we’re not allowed say what it is.

irishproduce

I think the black protestors out tonight are watching too much TV and buy in too much to the African American culture they're fed on TV.
See the post earlier in the thread that there have been 17 Garda shots fired in 4 years.
We do not have a problem here and I personally have no time for anyone trying to make one by virtue of anything they are imagining due to watching too much useless African Erica culture.
Guards need to come down hard on any messing.

LuasSimon

Visited an elderly relation in Tottenham London last year .
Had been many times over the past thirty years , the area was largely an English working class area and it was full of characters . My uncle used call to a few pubs along Tottenham High road every evening after work and grab a chippy on the way home .
Now you’d be afraid to walk to the shop in the middle of the day with stabbings a daily occurrence be it post code wars or young somalians robbing elderly English or Irish on their way to the shop . It’s going the same way here in a few parts of Dublin .

Bigmac1euro

TomTomTim wrote: »

It's actually tame in comparison to the grooming gang and beheading threads, where many were more worried about racism than the disgusting acts mentioned.

Glad I wasn’t apart of that ****show

gw80

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The same one people are claiming to see him holding a knife in.

Which is larger ..a knife ?? or a guard?

Just stop, please just stop.

JasonStatham

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

There’s one single reason it’s an issue. I know what it is and you know what it is, but we’re not allowed say what it is.

Cos the lad's black?