George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

LETHAL LADY

My father owned various agricultural slashing implements, the scariest to me being the very rusty slash hook hanging in the shed. Odd thing is he never worked any land except for some overgrown grass, the real grafting was left to my Mam.
Odd to hear you'd need a machete for camping or whatever 🤔

dublincelt

Aubrey Faint Limo wrote: »

RTE is left wing, woke central these days. Plus they love misery porn so they love the George the victim angle.

Complete bollox, RTÉ is the voice of the establishment. The “New Irish” have been funding the landlord class for the last 20 years with their HAP and every other “entitlement” open to them. Money going around in circles whilst communities are left to suffer. How many ministers in government are landlords and how many are benefiting from the “new Irish” magic money tree? Look there before shouting about a so called “left wing RTE”.

Strumms

jrmsjsh wrote: »

I just saw the video where the rioters storm the spar shop because it's staff had called the police over their manager being slashed up which led to george's rightful death.
I'm sorry but this can only persuade me towards the notion the African consciousness en-mass is locked in a pre-pre-historical condition.

That’s just psycho behavior... and the worrying thing, it’s not just a couple....

How long before certain areas of Dublin become like Hackney was in the 1980’s and 1990’s ?

LETHAL LADY

I think the greatest problem here is the amount of people reacting to a headline (no surprises there) rather than reading further.

jrmsjsh

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

I think the greatest problem here is the amount of people reacting to a headline (no surprises there) rather than reading further.

Multiple attempted murderer dutifully neutralised in Clonee would be far more accurate yet far more triggering to the pozzed general public.

TheChizler

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

My father owned various agricultural slashing implements, the scariest to me being the very rusty slash hook hanging in the shed.

>10 years ago if a knife was used in an attack it would invariably be described as a slash hook, no matter the form it took. These days it's a machete. Truth will come out in a few months.

NSAman

Just saw the picture on one of the Twitter links of what this “innocent” did to the shop worker.

Poor guy is destroyed!

I don’t care what colour skin the guy has. If he did that to another human being and lunged at Gardai, he deserves everything he got.

Has anyone started a go-fund me for this shop worker? Has anyone protested outside this guys house for what he did to this shop worker?

People forgetting that you live by the sword you die by guns nowadays!

Anyone, in the political arena defending this action of stabbing a guy, should be had up for inciting violence.

Not normally would I praise the gardai, but in this case they were right in their actions.

Charlie19

I seen pictures of the guy too but they were later shown as false and to be pictures cropped of an Everton fan that was attacked in London at a Millwall game.

Pictures taken from the Liverpool Echo.

NSAman

Charlie19 wrote: »

I seen pictures of the guy too but they were later shown as false and to be pictures cropped of an Everton fan that was attacked in London at a Millwall game.

Pictures taken from the Liverpool Echo.

Ok thanks for pointing that out. But the remainder of my post is still valid and a personal view.

Random Account

Maybe a stupid view but I feel some people in this country really want the injustice in America to happen here so they can feel part of this ‘woke’ scene that is happening there . And achieving that by making mountains out of molehills.

jimmycrackcorm

Strumms wrote: »

Garda will be ok, little doubt about that.

Can't assume this. An innocent Garda committed suicide in 2015 while being under long investigation by GSOC.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda-who-took-own-life-could-not-have-been-cleared-before-death-1.3556887

This is what the ASU officer who fired the fatal shots now has to face. Basically hell have been better off to let George attack him where he wouldn't be the fatality.

Telly

Well judging by the comments on all Facebook news articles and the black kids on tic tok comments it’s pretty safe to say 99% of the Irish people are on the guards side. And rightly so!

jimmycrackcorm

jrmsjsh wrote: »

I just saw the video where the rioters storm the spar shop because it's staff had called the police over their manager being slashed up which led to george's rightful death.
I'm sorry but this can only persuade me towards the notion the African consciousness en-mass is locked in a pre-pre-historical condition.

Perhaps they could also then storm the Centra in lucan where the ERU were waiting and shot dead one of the robbers.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/raider-killed-in-dublin-robbery-1.840587

Only problem is, he wasn't black.

LincolnsBeard

Black Ethno-Narcissism has been in full swing since George Floyd's death and runs absolutely rampant on social media.

There seems to be this assumption that Black criminals should be able to behave as aggressively and violently as they like, and that White law enforcement must be willing to lose their own lives rather than defend themselves appropriately from attack.

In any instance where a White person is a victim at the hands of a Black person, the racial element is treated as irrelevant, in fact it is usually ignored entirely. In any case where the races are reversed, so is the perceived importance of the racial element.

In this example, White people (including women and children) are being attacked for racial vengeance on Camera, and the discussion we're having is about whether or not some multiple offender was the victim of a racist murder at the hands of Gardai (he was not). The utterly disgusting, savage and terrorising behaviour of this mob is being excused or downplayed in a way that absolutely would not happen if they were White.

We need to evaluate why people want this narrative to be true. Why are so many of the permanently online leftists (for lack of a better term of identification) so desiring of this? Do they merely want to play a part in the goings on of their generation, fed to them by American Media, and are jumping at the chance that they finally get to feel locally involved?

The entire thing is deeply disturbing and, even more so, deeply aggravating.

obi604

Any trouble overnight?

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

Ah he must have been lying to me. How many times have you met/spoken with ERU officers?

Everyday at work

iebamm2580

[QUOT E=bubblypop;115765203]Everyday at work[/QUOTE]
As a a member of the force what was your take on how it all went down? Had the ARU any other choice in the end?

NIMAN

LincolnsBeard wrote: »

Black Ethno-Narcissism has been in full swing since George Floyd's death and runs absolutely rampant on social media.

There seems to be this assumption that Black criminals should be able to behave as aggressively and violently as they like, and that White law enforcement must be willing to lose their own lives rather than defend themselves appropriately from attack.

In any instance where a White person is a victim at the hands of a Black person, the racial element is treated as irrelevant, in fact it is usually ignored entirely. In any case where the races are reversed, so is the perceived importance of the racial element.

In this example, White people (including women and children) are being attacked for racial vengeance on Camera, and the discussion we're having is about whether or not some multiple offender was the victim of a racist murder at the hands of Gardai (he was not). The utterly disgusting, savage and terrorising behaviour of this mob is being excused or downplayed in a way that absolutely would not happen if they were White.

We need to evaluate why people want this narrative to be true. Why are so many of the permanently online leftists (for lack of a better term of identification) so desiring of this? Do they merely want to play a part in the goings on of their generation, fed to them by American Media, and are jumping at the chance that they finally get to feel locally involved?

The entire thing is deeply disturbing and, even more so, deeply aggravating.

Unfortunately its a conversation that needs to be had, but won't be, simply due to the race element.

In the great scheme of things in this sad event, the man's race/colour is irrelevant, he was a scum bag who battered an innocent worker and then walked around with a machete for a couple of hours threatening Gardai, before finally trying to attack them. If he was a white man he would have been shot exactly the same, but unfortunately now a certain section of the population, and backed by some elected politicians, seem to think he was some sort of perfect citizen murdered by the police for no reason.

It is worrying that this narrative will go unchallenged by most of the media. Do you really think we will see a Prime Time special where Miriam asks the panel about this guys past history and actions on the day? Not a chance.

Social media is the biggest danger to a normal society these days, and its worrying just how it can affect impressionable minds.

Gruffalux

I find it odd how this story is being covered
Eg Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/george-nkencho-death-i-just-want-justice-for-my-brother-1.4448083?mode=amp

I cannot recall anything like this previously when the Gardai have made a decision based upon imminent risk and shot a person. There have been cases before when the person shot is unwell - perhaps it could be argued all have been unwell which has led to the circumstances they find themselves in. It must be terrible for the gardai involved in this - the story has been given a direct angle.

Kraftwerk

NIMAN wrote: »

Unfortunately its a conversation that needs to be had, but won't be, simply due to the race element.

In the great scheme of things in this sad event, the man's race/colour is irrelevant, he was a scum bag who battered an innocent worker and then walked around with a machete for a couple of hours threatening Gardai, before finally trying to attack them. If he was a white man he would have been shot exactly the same, but unfortunately now a certain section of the population, and backed by some elected politicians, seem to think he was some sort of perfect citizen murdered by the police for no reason.

It is worrying that this narrative will go unchallenged by most of the media. Do you really think we will see a Prime Time special where Miriam asks the panel about this guys past history and actions on the day? Not a chance.

Social media is the biggest danger to a normal society these days, and its worrying just how it can affect impressionable minds.

You only need to look at that idiot Ebun Joseph to see how this stuff works too. Gathering the various agenda driven groups, organising social media drives to push certain narratives to influence media perception of the event because they don't want people seeing it naturally.

In any other part of Irish life the vast majority of people see this event for what it was. A thug that went too far and left the Gardai no option in trying to stop him hurting people. Even online boards, Facebook, reddit etc show that view. But on twitter there's so many agenda driven loons, trend following idiots (which includes a lot of public representatives) and international interests all giving a seriously skewed view of what happened and how society should view it.

The result is politicians and media judging it based on that twitter view and falling in with the expected online opinion and not judging stuff based on reason and reality.

Public representatives should be banned from using twitter imo. It's bad enough that people themselves are engaging in tribal warfare over every topic and dragging international issues into irish society where they didn't previously exist but to actually have public officials so easily open to influence by these people and groups and enabling the creation of those divisions is not good.

iebamm2580

iebamm2580 wrote: »

[QUOT E=bubblypop;115765203]Everyday at work

As a a member of the force what was your take on how it all went down? Had the ARU any other choice in the end?[/quote]

I really don't know the details of this particular incident. But a man with a knife /machete, whether drugged up, sober or having a mental breakdown needs to be stopped. So in order to protect everyone, they stopped him.
So, personally I would think it is justified, but I don't know the details.

I do know that poor guard & all other Gardai involved are going to have some really tough times ahead of them. It's all so easy for everyone to look at the incident Now, with all the time in the world, very different for the members at the time.

BeerWolf

Gruffalux wrote: »

I find it odd how this story is being covered
Eg Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/george-nkencho-death-i-just-want-justice-for-my-brother-1.4448083?mode=amp

I cannot recall anything like this previously when the Gardai have made a decision based upon imminent risk and shot a person. There have been cases before when the person shot is unwell - perhaps it could be argued all have been unwell which has led to the circumstances they find themselves in. It must be terrible for the gardai involved in this - the story has been given a direct angle.

I cannot fathom all this "Justice for George!" crap... it's clear as day of what happened, yet they're making it sound like he was some random person shot dead by the Gardai for absolutely no reason beyond fabricated implications of racism, which is utter bull.

I guess these idiots would've preferred he'd kill a Gardai or others first... and even then they'd probably cry for "justice" because he was black.

Being Black doesn't make you immune to consequences of one's own actions, yet these people seem to want it that way.

Macdarack

Random Account wrote: »

Maybe a stupid view but I feel some people in this country really want the injustice in America to happen here so they can feel part of this ‘woke’ scene that is happening there . And achieving that by making mountains out of molehills.

It's like these plebs had their protest posters written a long time ago. I heard one of them saying" how many more George's have to die "as if its Garda policy to shoot blacks.

malinheader

George got his justice. End of.
Justice prevailed for once.

irishproduce

Gruffalux wrote: »

I find it odd how this story is being covered
Eg Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/george-nkencho-death-i-just-want-justice-for-my-brother-1.4448083?mode=amp

I cannot recall anything like this previously when the Gardai have made a decision based upon imminent risk and shot a person. There have been cases before when the person shot is unwell - perhaps it could be argued all have been unwell which has led to the circumstances they find themselves in. It must be terrible for the gardai involved in this - the story has been given a direct angle.

The times reporting is worthy of a complaint to the press council of Ireland.
What reporting like that is going to do is have a chilling effect if the same situation happens again. It will be in a Guard's mind that regardless how this goes, I'll be vilified in media and I'm the villain. That causes breaks in judgement and could result in a guard being murdered. Not that it matters to the likes of Irish Times and their agenda. Guards are expendable in that world.

Big Bag of Chips

Gruffalux wrote: »

I cannot recall anything like this previously when the Gardai have made a decision based upon imminent risk and shot a person.

In 2009 an armed robber was shot and killed by the Gardaí outside Centra in Foxborough, Lucan.

high_tower

This should blow over quickly as there’s nothing to report on. Scumbag gets rightfully rubbed out by police, scumbag family and friends create a scene and a few tinpot politicians jump on the bandwagon.

So for the following :

If your trying to angle that he was shot because he was black then fk you. The guy was no martyr and got what was coming.

And

If your using this to push your own right wing/ racist agenda then fk you too. This needs to be properly dealt with a properly reported on but it doesn’t need the usual suspects jumping all over it.

It will be interesting to see mainstream
Media narrative moving forwards. Will they jump on bandwagon or not give this any oxygen and report fully what happened before , during and after.

oldtimeyfella

Gruffalux wrote: »

I find it odd how this story is being covered
Eg Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/george-nkencho-death-i-just-want-justice-for-my-brother-1.4448083?mode=amp

I cannot recall anything like this previously when the Gardai have made a decision based upon imminent risk and shot a person. There have been cases before when the person shot is unwell - perhaps it could be argued all have been unwell which has led to the circumstances they find themselves in. It must be terrible for the gardai involved in this - the story has been given a direct angle.

I was thinking about it last night, and while it is a different situation, remember how the media covered the story of what happened to the guy who killed Justin Valdez?

The underlying narrative was "**** this guy, he got what he deserved" (rightly so) and there was an outpouring of support for her family from all corners. There wasn't any talk of mental health issues or whatever because it was just some guy who had committed a heinous act and got put down for it.

Imagine how different the coverage would have been if the guy had been black.

Gruffalux

Big Bag of Chips wrote: »

In 2009 an armed robber was shot and killed by the Gardaí outside Centra in Foxborough, Lucan.

And was the robbers family put front and centre in all media afterwards is what I mean? Prominent community members and family interviewed to laud that shot robber? Mark Hennessys family spoken to immediately? It must have been horrific for the Nkencho family to have their son shot in the garden. But it was not done on a whim. He had brutally attacked someone and was wielding a knife. This is quite similar to when other people have been shot. And the media do not jump in with a conditioning angle.

CrazyFather1

From Irish Times: Thursday’s protest was mainly peaceful aside from a small scuffle which broke out outside the station’s entrance during the speeches - well that is bullish*t
He said his bother had a “kind heart” but had “suffered from mental health issues” in recent years. “He didn’t really go outside, just to the shop and back. He has his little friend group and that’s it. My brother never bothered anybody, he just got on with his own life.” - well that is bulls**t also
Seriously these people call themselves journalists?

Princess Toyin Ogunwusi, a family friend, said Mr Nkencho’s mother Blessing was doing “horribly” and still would not accept the news of her son’s death. “The shock is too much for her. The shooting happened right in the family’s presence, they actually have a recording of it. It will be in their memories for the rest of their lives.” - This raises huge questions, why are the family in the house recording instead of going out to help their mild mannered, quiet brother?