George Nkencho shooting *Mod warning Added to OP*

CrazyFather1

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

Shops get robbed all over Ireland every day with knifes etc. Are you saying they all now have mental health issues?

That’s the problem now, there’s an ever growing number of people who will do exactly that and try and use it to excuse absolutely anything.

weisses

weisses wrote: »

Why not ?

Do you think a person in a healthy state of mind would wield a machete at someone who has a gun pointed at him ? And before that Robbed a shop and assaulted someone ?

You have to weigh that question up against the danger posed to the public. Do you think the Gardai should assume the person has mental issues and therefore risk more people being harmed by their decision to not intervene? How would that play out for the person/family of those injured or possibly killed?

NewMan1982

NewMan1982 wrote: »

Has it been confirmed the shop assistant was stabbed or slashed?

According to a post by a co worker, he was beaten, not stabbed or slashed. One report said that his jaw was broken.

weisses

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

Shops get robbed all over Ireland every day with knifes etc. Are you saying they all now have mental health issues?

Why don't you look up the definition of mental health ... Go over your question again and see if something clicks

Pa ElGrande

I'm looking at the hotpress story about the incident and it follows the Ebun Joseph narrative.

Mr. Nkencho was 27 years old, the reporter Shamim Malekmian was talking to a close friend of his. They concentrate on an event from his life 10 years ago but they don't say anything about what he did in the interim, was he employed?, a girlfriend, how was his mental illness qualified, did he seek help, did any member of his family counsel him or seek aid on his behalf? What pressure was he under from his family? How did the Covid lockdowns affect him? There is a huge gap in infomation and what is printed is made to fit the race baiting activists narrative.

While the nature of the mental health issues George was dealing with are unclear, Israel reckons that years of witnessing and experiencing racial inequality, had caused his friend’s mental health to suffer badly.

The fact that Nkencho couldn't reach his dream of becoming a football player, Ibanu says, was at least in part because people of colour often have to work 'ten times harder' than native Irish players. Sometimes, he says, they exhaust themselves proving their worth to coaches and employers.

source

Obviously we are not going to get intimate details of his life and I don't expect them. The lack of information reads like he was drifting and going nowwhere in life and in Ireland today that is a more common problem for men that cuts across income class or race divides. The story behind him is not racial injustice, and that does not fit neatly into the 24 hour prepackaged news cycle does it?

Sir Oxman

KevRossi wrote: »

RTE aren't running on this that much, but there again most of them are sleeping off the turkey, ham and fine port. I also son't think they reported on the incidents yesterday to stop inflaming the situation, a bit why the Gardai stood down yesterday. Any intervention from them would have escalated it.

Like I said, the black community in D15 doesn't seem to have any natural, respected leaders; elected or otherwise which is a pity. Certainly disappointing to see three of the most prominent people of colour in this country; Leo Varadkar, Hazel Chu and Ebun Joseph either remain totally silent or in fact stirring it up. Also don't see any black artists going out asking for calm which would help.

Admittedly Varadkar doesn't give a toss about working class, but Chu is a Lord Mayor of the city next door and is permanently tweeting about racism. Joseph's interests are best served in racial division.

To be fair to Vardakar (and I am no fan of his), his tweet statement was balanced and not inflammatory except to lots of idiots who live off *oppression because #hedidn'tsaythecriminalsname

Chu is a race baiter.
Joseph is a race baiter.
Ruane is a race baiter.
Race baiting is integral to their ideology - Critical Race Theory.
It's also extremely profitable.

*That also includes an elected representative in the Dail - one Brid Smith.
Please Dublin South Central, take note when someone tells you who they are. Thanks.

Acosta

Wildly Boaring wrote: »

Not arguing with the shooting.

But has any of this been verified?

From what I've seen most of this type of stuff and the WhatsApp messages etc is coming from white supremacists on twitter. So I'd be extremely sceptical until it can be verified.

olestoepoke

Dav010 wrote: »

You have to weigh that question up against the danger posed to the public. Do you think the Gardai should assume the person has mental issues and therefore risk more people being harmed by their decision to not intervene? How would that play out for the person/family of those injured or possibly killed?

Exactly this, I'm sure the parents of Emily Jones would have been happy if the Police intervened before a mentally ill immigrant almost decapitated their beloved 7 year old girl in an unprovoked attack.

weisses

Dav010 wrote: »

You have to weigh that question up against the danger posed to the public. Do you think the Gardai should assume the person has mental issues and therefore risk more people being harmed by their decision to not intervene? How would that play out for the person/family of those injured or possibly killed?

Gardai did what they had to do ... His actions warranted the shooting imho ... Just pointing out that his mental health issues probably had something to do with his behavior

ThunbergsAreGo

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

I'm looking at the hotpress story about the incident and it follows the Ebun Joseph narrative.

Mr. Nkencho was 27 years old, the reporter Shamim Malekmian was talking to a close friend of his. They concentrate on an event from his life 10 years ago but they don't say anything about what he did in the interim, was he employed?, a girlfriend, how was his mental illness qualified, did he seek help, did any member of his family counsel him or seek aid on his behalf? What pressure was he under from his family? How did the Covid lockdowns affect him? There is a huge gap in infomation and what is printed is made to fit the race baiting activists narrative.



Obviously we are not going to get intimate details of his life and I don't expect them. The lack of information reads like he was drifting and going nowwhere in life and in Ireland today that is a more common problem for men that cuts across income class or race divides. The story behind him is not racial injustice, and that does not fit neatly into the 24 hour prepackaged news cycle does it?

The re imagining of this person's life has begun. He will get the freedom of the city before the end of January.

He "frightened" people with a knife. Some fright to put a lad in hospital.

The standard of journalism is appalling

VinLieger

Why am I not surprised out of all the idiot champagne socialists in the dail its only brid smith who jumped on this bandwagon?

TomTomTim

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Obviously we are not going to get intimate details of his life and I don't expect them. The lack of information reads like he was drifting and going nowwhere in life and in Ireland today that is a more common problem for men that cuts across income class or race divides. The story behind him is not racial injustice, and that does not fit neatly into the 24 hour prepackaged news cycle does it?

While the nature of the mental health issues George was dealing with are unclear, Israel reckons that years of witnessing and experiencing racial inequality, had caused his friend’s mental health to suffer badly.

Stuff like this is absolutely scummy and likely fiction. We're really going down a dangerous road in this country.

enricoh

Acosta wrote: »

From what I've seen most of this type of stuff and the WhatsApp messages etc is coming from white supremacists on twitter. So I'd be extremely sceptical until it can be verified.

According to some bird on rte news last night that was knew him he wouldn't hurt a fly.

That's good enough for me, the two shops he tried to rob beforehand probably made it up and any previous convictions was likely due to racist cops!

Sir Oxman

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

The re imagining of this person's life has begun. He will get the freedom of the city before the end of January.

He "frightened" people with a knife. Some fright to put a lad in hospital.

The standard of journalism is appalling

Ebun Joseph is already on video telling her followers and *those that would never question her because of her skin colour that 'they must change the narrative'
It's a PR exercise for an ideology, critical race theory, which she needs to sustain her profile and lifestyle.

*All media.

Montage of Feck

weisses wrote: »

Why not ?

Do you think a person in a healthy state of mind would wield a machete at someone who has a gun pointed at him ? And before that Robbed a shop and assaulted someone ?

A severe case of self entitlement.

Mwengwe

pgj2015 wrote: »

Ian O'Doherty would be another one.

Boylan and O'Doherty are a pair of idiots, for christ's sake you need to ask yourself what hill you're on when you're citing their names.

humberklog

weisses wrote: »

Why not ?

Do you think a person in a healthy state of mind would wield a machete at someone who has a gun pointed at him ? And before that Robbed a shop and assaulted someone ?

Couldn't every act of violence then be excused because the attacker was in an "unhealthy" state of mind? We'd be hugging it out with wife beaters and releasing violent prisoners with a slap on the back and a pamphlet on Mindfulness stuffed into their top pocket.


Where does the amateur psychological diagnosis, forgiveness and understanding start and stop and when are some humans just considered really ****ty people and should in life and death be treated and remembered as such?

weisses

weisses wrote: »

Gardai did what they had to do ... His actions warranted the shooting imho ... Just pointing out that his mental health issues probably had something to do with his behavior

More information comes to light after the fact, the what, how, when, why of the situation is analysed, but the fact remains, the deceased was given the opportunity to drop the weapon and he posed a serious danger to the public.

bilbot79

Mules wrote: »

I don't think politicians should be commenting on this at all. It shouldn't be politicised. Politicians shouldn't be let near Twitter even at the best of times imo.

Totes disagree. America erupted for the lack of conciliatory language. Intervention by politicians to calm matters is absolutely essential.

ThunbergsAreGo

Mwengwe wrote: »

Boylan and O'Doherty are a pair of idiots, for christ's sake you need to ask yourself what hill you're on when you're citing their names.

Why is he an idiot?

crossman47

Mwengwe wrote: »

Boylan and O'Doherty are a pair of idiots, for christ's sake you need to ask yourself what hill you're on when you're citing their names.

I used to think that about O'Doherty but now I find I agree with him a lot of the time. Hes certainly on the money in his opposition to the cancel culture.

enricoh

Mwengwe wrote: »

Boylan and O'Doherty are a pair of idiots, for christ's sake you need to ask yourself what hill you're on when you're citing their names.

I know, every other Journalist in the country is onboard the multiculturalism train but these 2. Don't they realize they'll never hit the jackpot with a plum gig in rte until they do - dopes!

xzanti

CrazyFather1 wrote: »

Did you watch the 6 news last night? RTE ran a story which would incite anyone who had zero knowledge of what went on,. They had zero mention of him robbing a shop or attacking anyone. It was a disgrace

Chu is more than useless.

I was highly irritated by the lack of any insight on RTE into what went on yesterday in Blanchardstown. Having viewed many of the videos posted online, people barricaded into the Eurospar, the same shop where the original crime took place which led to the guys death.

A baby knocked from her mothers arms by a gang of people.

Bus drivers intimidated in their vehicles.

Just mindless anarchy.

RTE showed nothing only about a minute of footage depicting a peaceful vigil outside the Garda Station.

In many of the videos; the Gardai seem to be afraid to approach/antagonize them.

This morning; with fresh eyes on the matter I'm thinking they handled it correctly.

Had the riot police gone in there with hoses etc it more than likely would have made things a lot worse. Possibly sending clusters of people into housing estates, houses may have been targeted, burning of cars etc, like in America.

Just my personal opinion.

This morning I haven't seen any fresh footage of angry mobs, so I'm assuming it ended and they dispersed.

Hopefully today will be more peaceful for Dublin 15.

ExMachina1000

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Ebun Joseph is already on video telling her followers and *those that would never question her because of her skin colour that 'they must change the narrative'
It's a PR exercise for an ideology, critical race theory, which she needs to sustain her profile and lifestyle.

*All media.

She sees another opportunity to expand her revenue stream.

She is the regressive, divisive voice that nobody asked for.

The ying to Gemma Doherty's yang

the_syco

https://www.hotpress.com/culture/george-nkencho-a-friend-of-man-shot-by-gardai-in-dublin-talks-exclusively-to-hot-press-22837684

HOTPRESS wrote:

Whatever about their past together, Israel Ibanu is deeply angry now. The Gardai, he said, should have been trained to disarm his friend without harming the young man.

Pepper-sprayed and taser wasn't enough? Aside from "usually less than fatal" rubber bullets, what else do they propose?

Wibbs

enricoh wrote: »

I know, every other Journalist in the country is onboard the multiculturalism train but these 2.

And that's the problem. There are no measured commentators in the middle, it's either the excessively Right On who get pretty much all the column inches, or the Right who get nowhere but twitter and the like. Both only see colour and victims, both play the exact same identity and outrage politics to different ends. Neither will make any positive difference in the long term and we only have to look to other European multicultural nations to see that.

Tea drinker

Mwengwe wrote: »

All the details of what he did and what the Gardai attempted peacefully are in that article. It's up to the reader how they read it. If people are protesting the shooting the media have to cover that. Would you like to live in a society where the media ignored protests about police shootings?

The media massively played down protests during the last economic crash and follow on water protests. They went along with government narrative about Joan Burton until it was more or less thrown out by the courts.

The agenda of some people has been all too clear since this news broke - I personally think the Gardai probably had no choice in the end but jesus people on both sides of this 'debate' wreck my head with the agendas.

Should you be bothered? Just get used to a *lot* of mentally ill people being online especially those on twitter. especially US twitter... there's an epidemic of mental illness there and if you like beating your head against the screen just debate with them.
maybe the commies really did do something with their precious bodily fluids
Nasty nasty people hiding behind a cause, and it's so common to see violent criminals involved in these causes, all shiny and new "like a virgin - hey"
I gradually sort of lost that naïve faith in the inherent goodness of humanity, it seems to be generally bad. And stupid. Better leave them to their own devices, lying.

https://www.independent.ie/news/justice-for-george-chanted-by-protesters-after-garda-shooting-39917615.html
“We want a very fair investigation and if anybody is found culpable, if anyone is found to have overreached themselves or done stuff they shouldn't have done obviously we want the full cause of the law to take its course.”

How ironic, look closer to home. Sad end for anyone and at this time of year it is hard. But..... George shouldn't have gone on a rampage.
There's been a number of fatal encounters with Garda n the past 10 - 15 years, e.g. Jastine Valdez murderer was shot fatally, there was a stand off outside a family home a few years ago ERU shot the guy fatally. Thankfully not an everyday or even every year thing but it's not without precedent.

Wibbs

xzanti wrote: »

I was highly irritated by the lack of any insight on RTE into what went on yesterday in Blanchardstown. Having viewed many of the videos posted online, people barricaded into the Eurospar, the same shop where the original crime took place which led to the guys death.

A baby knocked from her mothers arms by a gang of people.

Bus drivers intimidated in their vehicles.

Just mindless anarchy.

RTE showed nothing only about a minute of footage depicting a peaceful vigil outside the Garda Station.

RTE are and have long been a bloody disgrace as a "news" organisation. They either parrot the current government's position(well have to keep the public money coming in) and/or try to be more "woke" than the BBC.

In many of the videos; the Gardai seem to be afraid to approach/antagonize them.

This morning; with fresh eyes on the matter I'm thinking they handled it correctly.

Had the riot police gone in there with hoses etc it more than likely would have made things a lot worse. Possibly sending clusters of people into housing estates, houses may have been targeted, burning of cars etc, like in America.

+1 They handled it spot on IMHO. Gave no excuse to rabble rousers.

This morning I haven't seen any fresh footage of angry mobs, so I'm assuming it ended and they dispersed.

The mobs were mostly teenagers going wild and egging each other on as teenagers are prone to do and as teenagers are also prone to do it fizzled out. If it had been made up of older people that would be the worry and it would likely not have de-escalated.

carq

Is it too much to ask for honest reporting of this this from the media?

Independent.ie - useless
Thejournal.ie- useless
Rte.ie - and rte news reporting was downright misleading.

Has virgin media reported all the ‘protests’ yesterday?

crossman47

carq wrote: »

Is it too much to ask for honest reporting of this this from the media?

Independent.ie - useless
Thejournal.ie- useless
Rte.ie - and rte news reporting was downright misleading.

Has virgin media reported all the ‘protests’ yesterday?

Virgin have gone on an extended news holiday as far as I can see.