Will the unionists give up in frustration?

Zebra3

touts wrote: »

Anyone care what we in the republic want because besides a few very vocal Sinners the vast majority don't want a United Ireland. It is economic suicide and we'll be dealing with a violent terrorist insurgency by the hardline Unionists for decades.

What will be the aims of this insurgency and who will supply it with weapons?

Orange Tiny Terror

Why does it have to be rejoining Ireland or staying as a UK satellite, why don’t they become independent and stop living off handouts from Dublin and London.

Hamsterchops

Qiaonasen wrote: »

It will be entertaining from afar watching one of the most brutal empires on earth in it's death throws. Of course you are right. It will not be great for the current harmony and peace that exists on these Islands.

Curious why you say "Death throws" ... didn't the British Empire cease to exist several decades ago?

FrancieBrady

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Curious why you say "Death throws" ... didn't the British Empire cease to exist several decades ago?

Physically maybe, but not in the minds of people like Ian Duncan Smith

https://twitter.com/ProfTimBale/status/1344959271742615553?s=19

That where it will be wiped out finally in the next few years.

Five Eighth

Orange Tiny Terror wrote: »

Why does it have to be rejoining Ireland or staying as a UK satellite, why don’t they become independent and stop living off handouts from Dublin and London.

Because NI is economically unviable, socially incohesive and politically unstable.

dd973

The funny thing about Unionists not wanting to feel 'cut off from Britain' is that people here don't really feel cut off from it in terms of it being some alien, foreign country , think of the amount of Aer Lingus flights, Dub-Lhr being one of the busiest and most frequent shuttle services in Europe, we're over there every week attending football matches and visiting family and friends, a typical Northside working class Dub has more in common with a fully English Scouser or Mancunian with no Irish heritage in terms of lifestyle, cultural habitue and environment than they probably have with the most rural type of Donegal or Kerry person.

I'm not so much talking about the British state of Westminster, Whitehall etc but the vast swathes of England that has people and places negligibly different from here, Liverpool has suburbs that look like Santry or Whitehall, lots of green rural parts of England look like the Irish Midlands.

The Irish celebrity and business class are intertwined and assimilated with the U.K to an extent that makes the DUP and their followers look like backward hicks from Craggy Island. They're the classic big fish in a tiny pond, the North Down Coast and that's about it.

99nsr125

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It'd be more like East/West reunification in German probably. The hardline unionists would probably move to Scotland

Oh that'd be awesome

TheBMG

The likes of Sammy and Bryson are outliers in the unionist community.

How much respect do people in ‘the south’ have fir unionist culture though? I’m not talking about the **** show over flegs but rather the genuine connection between a large number of NI/Irish citizens and their British roots?

Would a unified Ireland respect that? I’m not sure it would.

If there is a unified Ireland the anthem won’t be Amhrán na bhFiann. The flag would change. Dail Éireann could be somewhere else.

Oh and what else would be useful is for SF to stop gloating over the troubles. They weren’t doing it as much ten years ago so I’m not sure why they’ve ramped it back up in recent times.

As much as I’d love to see a unified country on this island I’m still pessimistic that it will happen in my lifetime

Markcheese

What pissed me off about brexit was that the eu kinda made unionist nationalist ,north south, british Irish more or less meaningless , at least no big deal .
And the unionist ( with tory help ) chucked that under the bus ..
As the demographics shifted away from the unionists it could have been an agreeable half way house , almost an independent northern ireland , cos well ,we'd all have still been happy eu members , britain could have backed away a bit ( whilst still paying for most stuff ) ,
Might still happen , but every eu step that northern ireland makes will be seen as diverging further from Britain ...

AMKC

AMKC wrote: »

I can not see The UK been out of Europe for long. I give it a decade at the most before the UK goes bust and the IMF is called in and they look to get back into Europe after realising what a huge mistake they made one that might see there precious Union fall apart with Northern Ireland Joining us and Scotland and Wales looking for Independence so they can get back into the EU all within the next decade I say.

Disagree - think the more time passes the more beneficial it will be to stay out of the EU. Not to be on the hook for bailing out peripheral countries, being able to have full control over tax rates, regulation, money supply etc will allow it to be competitive. By contrast Germany and the EU big boys are only ever as strong as it's weakest link. They are getting ever more wrapped up in red tape and decision making is getting harder and harder in the EU due to the ever growing divides (e.g. Hungary/Poland versus the western countries).

99nsr125

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Disagree - think the more time passes the more beneficial it will be to stay out of the EU. Not to be on the hook for bailing out peripheral countries, being able to have full control over tax rates, regulation, money supply etc will allow it to be competitive. By contrast Germany and the EU big boys are only ever as strong as it's weakest link. They are getting ever more wrapped up in red tape and decision making is getting harder and harder in the EU due to the ever growing divides (e.g. Hungary/Poland versus the western countries).

Wait until the brits krank up the printing press and devalue the bajaysus outta the pound.

Or if the city has it's profits hurt in any way, the knifes will be out for the tories and it'll be back into the EU

AMKC

Beltby wrote: »

The parades commission make sure they don't march through areas they are not wanted in.

Look what happened the last time they attempted a march down Oconnell Street.

I was up there that day but missed all the crazy stuff thankfully. I was in the cinema and when I came out onto I Abbey street I could see a fire and smoke in the air, Easons closed wondering why the hell they were closed so early then came onto O'Connel street and seen the mess and decided no point staying around time to head home.

99nsr125

99nsr125 wrote: »

Wait until the brits krank up the printing press and devalue the bajaysus outta the pound.

Or if the city has it's profits hurt in any way, the knifes will be out for the tories and it'll be back into the EU

They devalue the pound it makes their exports more competitive. Helps economic output and reduces the need for more devaluation. As long as it's done in a controlled manner, there's nothing wrong with increasing money supply. People think of Weimar Germany or Zimbabwe, but don't realise the ECB has been printing money for several years now, except it's done under a mechanism called QE which is somehow deemed to be more respectable because it keeps the plebs out of the process and only includes big Finance.

RandomViewer

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sinn Fein is too toxic for most unionists.

Would you not consider that unionism is too toxic for everyone else,

shesty

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

They wanted them when they needed their votes in parliment.

And if NI goes ..its more likely scotland and wales might ..they don't want that not now.

The uk will hold on to NI tight right now.

Plus they prob think they can use it against us now in the eu strategically

Eh, I think they would have dropped NI like a hot potato any time in the last 2 years if they could.It was the only major barrier to them leaving the EU the way they really wanted to.Never occured to any of them that their only land border with the EU with was in NI, and if it did occur to them, they obviously discounted it as a non-issue, since it was such a shock to them to discover that they had to adjust their leaving plans to cater for this.Life would have been much much easier for them if they could just have left as an island nation.

I doubt NI or Ireland is even in the back of their minds as regards dealings with the EU.We never were before, so why would we be now.We literally do not matter to them at all.

The Golden Miller

touts wrote: »

Anyone care what we in the republic want because besides a few very vocal Sinners the vast majority don't want a United Ireland. It is economic suicide and we'll be dealing with a violent terrorist insurgency by the hardline Unionists for decades.

You know people who do want a United Ireland talk on behalf of themselves usually. But there's a very common pompous attitude of those who don't want one, who often pretend to speak of behalf of the country with the royal "we". So maybe shut the fcuk up, and speak on behalf of yourself next time, ye?

Orange Tiny Terror

Orange Tiny Terror wrote: »

Why does it have to be rejoining Ireland or staying as a UK satellite, why don’t they become independent and stop living off handouts from Dublin and London.

Yep, and rejoin the EU. They could do very well from it if they put their differences to the side. Alternatively, they could form an NI-Scotland nation and join the EU.

Cannot see Scotland rejecting another independence referendum.

Zebra3

Deleted User wrote: »

By contrast Germany and the EU big boys are only ever as strong as it's weakest link. They are getting ever more wrapped up in red tape and decision making is getting harder and harder in the EU due to the ever growing divides (e.g. Hungary/Poland versus the western countries).

Nonsense.

Germany gains as red tape is removed and makes exports easier.

Weaker countries joining keep the value of the euro (which is really the German mark) down, which again, makes German exports easier.

Germany will finally "take over" Europe, just in a different way to how they tried ~100 years ago.

iwillhtfu

Zebra3 wrote: »

Nonsense.

Germany gains as red tape is removed and makes exports easier.

Weaker countries joining keep the value of the euro (which is really the German mark) down, which again, makes German exports easier.

Germany will finally "take over" Europe, just in a different way to how they tried ~100 years ago.

Your first word is quite fitting there.

touts

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The hardline unionists would probably move to Scotland

It's talk like that that has the Shinners wondering why Unionists are afraid of Ethnic Cleansing. They have been here for 400 years. I don't think they see Scotland as home any more.

touts

touts wrote: »

It's talk like that that has the Shinners wondering why Unionists are afraid of Ethnic Cleansing. They have been here for 400 years. I don't think they see Scotland as home any more.

Arlene Foster says she'd leave for Britain in event of a united Ireland. Plenty more like her.

Beltby

Deleted User wrote: »

Arlene Foster says she'd leave for Britain in event of a united Ireland. Plenty more like her.

To be fair, countless people said they would leave America if Trump got elected. They are still there.

Five Eighth

Enrique Shallow Haircut wrote: »

Yep, and rejoin the EU. They could do very well from it if they put their differences to the side. Alternatively, they could form an NI-Scotland nation and join the EU.

Cannot see Scotland rejecting another independence referendum.

An NI-Scotland nation? Seriously? While i'm sure that there are many Ulster-Scots who view Scotland as their 'motherland', has there ever been any indication that an independent Scotland would want to take on NI as part of a new nation? Has there ever been any comment or statement from any serious Scottish political party suggesting such an arrangement? Please provide any links that would support this proposition.

For NI, realistically it's either remain within the UK or begin talking about an agreed Ireland.

Five Eighth

Five Eighth wrote: »

An NI-Scotland nation? Seriously? While i'm sure that there are many Ulster-Scots who view Scotland as their 'motherland', has there ever been any indication that an independent Scotland would want to take on NI as part of a new nation? Has there ever been any comment or statement from any serious Scottish political party suggesting such an arrangement? Please provide any links that would support this proposition.

Absolutely no chance, maybe a small cohort of west of Scotland rangers heads but the vast majority of Scots wouldn't dream of it.

Charles Babbage

Deleted User wrote: »

Arlene Foster says she'd leave for Britain in event of a united Ireland. Plenty more like her.

Another potential advantage.

Deleted User wrote:

Absolutely no chance, maybe a small cohort of west of Scotland rangers heads but the vast majority of Scots wouldn't dream of it.

If Scots do dream about it then they would probably class it as a nightmare.

jamule

Deleted User wrote: »

Arlene Foster says she'd leave for Britain in event of a united Ireland. Plenty more like her.

wouldn't be a problem she has never lived in Britain. mind you she wouldn't be the first not to know the name of the country she lives in.

Hamsterchops

RandomViewer wrote: »

Would you not consider that unionism is too toxic for everyone else,

Nothing wrong with Unionism, nothing at all, seeing as they're Unionists who believe in a connection (a Union) between this island and next door.

We can't defeat Unionism and they can't defeat us ergo we must all live together on this shared island of ours.

Feisar

RandomViewer wrote: »

OP seems to think that Hardline Unionists actually consider stuff enough to get frustrated, big old bigots like Sammy the streaker and Gregory the bitter wee sh1te dont do much in the lines of thinking

Hahaha, Sammy The Stripper Wilson. I remember that from Scrap Saturday.

maccored

once it dawns on them just how ****ed up the arse they've been by Westminster, then they'll either have to decide to join in the rest of us and make the whole country profitable, or delay that by waiting until the whole Unionist state falls to bits. Either way, they've been deserted by their masters and no longer have the British Army there to help them with the bombings. They'd be as lethal as farts.

99nsr125

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Nothing wrong with Unionism, nothing at all, seeing as they're Unionists who believe in a connection (a Union) between this island and next door.

We can't defeat Unionism and they can't defeat us ergo we must all live together on this shared island of ours.

Fuk that