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2021 Irish Property Market chat - *mod warnings post 1*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Gradius


    That Ulster bank thing, the implication of negative interest rates, an artificially propped up property market (imo) pandemic, employment, schools and so on...

    Things are looking VERY ropey.

    All individual interests aside, the government here and elsewhere (opposition or otherwise) have made a complete trollocks for the average persons situation. Things are just out of hand now with no semblance of control or intelligent direction, stuff is just "happening".

    Just to add, the worst outcome I can see coming down the line is that the economy collapses (as opposed to a controlled, sensible correction), the average person is locked out of housing, and the door is left swinging wide open for foreign money to come in and buy up more of the country...which will sustain ridiculous prices while siphoning off Irish people's money to God knows where. A complete decline in nationhood that's exponential. It's worst case scenario and I wish I had faith that ANY government here would step into prevent it, but if anything they're likely to encourage it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭combat14


    town centres are well and truly dead on their feet at the minute we have to reopen everything back up shortly or we are in serious trouble - high house prices are simply an illusion at the minute built on a house of cards


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,111 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Interesting article on the Australian market, i think we're giving the "juicing" a go to!

    The Australian property market is booming but the gains are based on 'massive' debts

    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/feb/16/the-australian-property-market-is-booming-but-the-gains-are-based-on-massive-debts

    As opposed to other times when house price gains obviously aren't based on massive debt /s :rolleyes:

    And as I pointed out in my earlier reposte that no one liked, if you showed the good Dr Ireland's books, he'd likely faint.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,729 ✭✭✭Villa05


    If the venture funds didn’t buy the debt from the banks the government would have had to pump billions more into them so they wouldn’t fail the ECB stress tests so don’t see how it is at the expense of citizens.

    Firesale of loans is fine but why are we putting the cherry on top of no tax on profits/rents

    That is definitely at citizens expense

    Surely that is the gift their referring too


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 144 ✭✭decreds


    Gradius wrote: »
    That Ulster bank thing, the implication of negative interest rates, an artificially propped up property market (imo) pandemic, employment, schools and so on...

    Things are looking VERY ropey.

    All individual interests aside, the government here and elsewhere (opposition or otherwise) have made a complete trollocks for the average persons situation. Things are just out of hand now with no semblance of control or intelligent direction, stuff is just "happening".

    Just to add, the worst outcome I can see coming down the line is that the economy collapses (as opposed to a controlled, sensible correction), the average person is locked out of housing, and the door is left swinging wide open for foreign money to come in and buy up more of the country...which will sustain ridiculous prices while siphoning off Irish people's money to God knows where. A complete decline in nationhood that's exponential. It's worst case scenario and I wish I had faith that ANY government here would step into prevent it, but if anything they're likely to encourage it.


    Very much this. This government is very much anti Irish and would sell us down the swanny for a quick buck.


    Not to make this thread full on doom scrolling for some but i agree with this poster for all reasons listed plus many more. We have never been in a more precarious position when it comes to housing, the economy and society at large.



    I agree with the term "artificially propped up property market" and i think this is the sole reason we have not witnessed a proper healthy/natural correction (and before someone shouts "but supply is so low", supply was even lower when prices were near rock bottom after the GFC). Due to the market being artificially propped up i do not see a huge drop in prices while all these lockdowns are in play, it will likely happen months or a year after we exit and most likely will coincide with the next GE.


    It will be a bumpy ride that's for sure. Anyone thinking of buying an investment property now should think twice.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 144 ✭✭decreds


    cnocbui wrote: »
    As opposed to other times when house price gains obviously aren't based on massive debt /s :rolleyes:

    And as I pointed out in my earlier reposte that no one liked, if you showed the good Dr Ireland's books, he'd likely faint.


    No one claimed Ireland was the poster boy for the property market, in fact quite the opposite.



    Australia's property market reminds me of Ireland during the Celtic Tiger days. Most people i know who own property there have multiple mortgages on multiple properties and are heavily leveraged, to say the least.


  • Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭thefridge2006


    decreds wrote: »
    Seeing plenty of second-hand apartments hit the market in Dublin this week, most are asking below current market rate. Are we seeing more landlords leave the market?

    I'm seeing a lot more stock in general hitting daft


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,111 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    decreds wrote: »
    No one claimed Ireland was the poster boy for the property market, in fact quite the opposite.



    Australia's property market reminds me of Ireland during the Celtic Tiger days. Most people i know who own property there have multiple mortgages on multiple properties and are heavily leveraged, to say the least.

    And if you take note of the last time Australia had a property price correction on the scale of Ireland's in 2008/9, you'll soon see why not too many people in Australia are concerned.

    Australia has been in a property price bubble for the last 60 years. Warnings of it imminently popping have been surfacing regularly for at least the last 20 years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭thefridge2006


    Gradius wrote: »
    That Ulster bank thing, the implication of negative interest rates, an artificially propped up property market (imo) pandemic, employment, schools and so on...

    Things are looking VERY ropey.

    All individual interests aside, the government here and elsewhere (opposition or otherwise) have made a complete trollocks for the average persons situation. Things are just out of hand now with no semblance of control or intelligent direction, stuff is just "happening".

    Just to add, the worst outcome I can see coming down the line is that the economy collapses (as opposed to a controlled, sensible correction), the average person is locked out of housing, and the door is left swinging wide open for foreign money to come in and buy up more of the country...which will sustain ridiculous prices while siphoning off Irish people's money to God knows where. A complete decline in nationhood that's exponential. It's worst case scenario and I wish I had faith that ANY government here would step into prevent it, but if anything they're likely to encourage it.

    I agree with this.... all the ducks are lining up in a row... for disaster.
    Too many wolves at the door for anything other than a huge crash and the Gov don't even know where to start, so much happening too fast.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 144 ✭✭decreds


    cnocbui wrote: »
    And if you take note of the last time Australia had a property price correction on the scale of Ireland's in 2008/9, you'll soon see why not too many people in Australia are concerned.

    Australia has been in a property price bubble for the last 60 years. Warnings of it imminently popping have been surfacing regularly for at least the last 20 years.


    Just because it didn't happen recently doesn't mean it will not occur.



    I hope it doesn't as i know many people there but to think Australia is somehow exempt to market cycles and their subsequent corrections/crashes (especially when highly leveraged) is slightly ignorant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭MacronvFrugals


    cnocbui wrote: »
    And if you take note of the last time Australia had a property price correction on the scale of Ireland's in 2008/9, you'll soon see why not too many people in Australia are concerned.

    Australia has been in a property price bubble for the last 60 years. Warnings of it imminently popping have been surfacing regularly for at least the last 20 years.

    China saved them in 2009 in fairness by buying every last piece of material their mines could produce.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,909 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    China saved them in 2009 in fairness by buying every last piece of materials their mines could produce.

    Government saved their market by reinflating the market with the first time buyers grant


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Selling season approaching so hopefully we'll have a bit more to look at.

    Will be interested to see what this goes for - 4 Ellerslie Villas, Bray - asking guts of 1.3m

    House next door - 3 Ellerslie Villas - sold quickly for a shade over 1m in 2019. It was asking 900k.

    Number 3 was a little bigger, in fantastic nick, been revamped, with decent sized kitchen/diner in the back bit.

    Number 4 looks expensive by comparison. If it gets that asking price, the market is on fire.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,729 ✭✭✭Villa05


    China saved them in 2009 in fairness by buying every last piece of material their mines could produce.


    Will China be the winner on the worldwide monopoly board? they really know the time to buy, kind of the opposite of Ireland


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭MacronvFrugals


    Villa05 wrote: »
    Will China be the winner on the worldwide monopoly board? they really know the time to buy, kind of the opposite of Ireland

    A stat that always blows me away, 2008 0 KMs of high speed rail 2018- 15,000KMs all done with Australian Iron ore.

    The last 200 years have been an anomaly they will likely regain their normal spot as the hegemonic power soon enough, as worrying as that sounds.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭Hubertj


    schmittel wrote: »
    Selling season approaching so hopefully we'll have a bit more to look at.

    Will be interested to see what this goes for - 4 Ellerslie Villas, Bray - asking guts of 1.3m

    House next door - 3 Ellerslie Villas - sold quickly for a shade over 1m in 2019. It was asking 900k.

    Number 3 was a little bigger, in fantastic nick, been revamped, with decent sized kitchen/diner in the back bit.

    Number 4 looks expensive by comparison. If it gets that asking price, the market is on fire.

    Nice part of the town. I like those houses, high ceilings, big rooms etc. Looks like it needs modernising.... and no driveway....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,625 ✭✭✭wassie


    A stat that always blows me away, 2008 0 KMs of high speed rail 2018- 15,000KMs all done with Australian Iron ore and coal.

    The last 200 years have been an anomaly they will likely regain their normal spot as the hegemonic power soon enough, as worrying as that sounds.

    FIFY :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Government saved their market by reinflating the market with the first time buyers grant

    Sounds similar to the stamp duty relief that Irish gov reintroduced in the mid 00’s when the property market started to slow down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭DataDude


    I'm seeing a lot more stock in general hitting daft

    Agreed - having not seen a house of interest in what feels like forever. I've added 5 to my list in the last two days.

    schmittel wrote: »
    Selling season approaching so hopefully we'll have a bit more to look at.

    Will be interested to see what this goes for - 4 Ellerslie Villas, Bray - asking guts of 1.3m

    This being one of them - but really does look like a headbanger price! Assume it won't go close but I pity anyone who goes near that asking.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭hometruths


    DataDude wrote: »
    This being one of them - but really does look like a headbanger price! Assume it won't go close but I pity anyone who goes near that asking.

    Agreed. I think that's Greystones prices, and if I was buying in Bray over Greystones the logic would be seeking better value. Has the makings of a cracking house though.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭DataDude


    schmittel wrote: »
    Agreed. I think that's Greystones prices, and if I was buying in Bray over Greystones the logic would be seeking better value. Has the makings of a cracking house though.

    Yep - It could be really nice, but you'd need deep pockets to fix it up. It might be worth €1.3m at the end of the refurb, definitely not the beginning! I'd sooner take this!
    https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/5-saint-matthias-wood-church-road-killiney-dublin/4341827

    Not even sure it would even be worth that in Greystones.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭Hubertj


    DataDude wrote: »
    Yep - It could be really nice, but you'd need deep pockets to fix it up. It might be worth €1.3m at the end of the refurb, definitely not the beginning! I'd sooner take this!
    https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/5-saint-matthias-wood-church-road-killiney-dublin/4341827

    Not even sure it would even be worth that in Greystones.

    Seems like a low price for a house that size in killing. I don’t really like the look of the exterior. Very plain in my opinion


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,567 ✭✭✭Timing belt


    schmittel wrote: »
    Agreed. I think that's Greystones prices, and if I was buying in Bray over Greystones the logic would be seeking better value. Has the makings of a cracking house though.

    It looks like you would need a second mortgage just to heat the house....It reminds me of the houses you see in Edinburgh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Hubertj wrote: »
    Seems like a low price for a house that size in killing. I don’t really like the look of the exterior. Very plain in my opinion

    Yeah it lacks charm for sure, bit of an Eagle Valley vibe to it.

    But given the size, location, privacy, decent sized south-west facing garden, reasonable BER, ample parking I think I'd put up with the exterior. Certainly when stacked up against the house in Bray anyway!


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭hometruths


    DataDude wrote: »
    Yep - It could be really nice, but you'd need deep pockets to fix it up. It might be worth €1.3m at the end of the refurb, definitely not the beginning! I'd sooner take this!
    https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/5-saint-matthias-wood-church-road-killiney-dublin/4341827

    Not even sure it would even be worth that in Greystones.

    I prefer the Bray one. Actually also prefer the area! The Killiney one is not really close to anything walkable. I wonder is that the same one those mad pensioners got evicted from years ago.
    Hubertj wrote: »
    Seems like a low price for a house that size in killing. I don’t really like the look of the exterior. Very plain in my opinion

    What he said!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Gradius


    Villa05 wrote: »
    Will China be the winner on the worldwide monopoly board? they really know the time to buy, kind of the opposite of Ireland


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/chinese-invest-in-irish-social-housing-and-nursing-homes-1.4453623%3fmode=amp

    Look at this stuff going on. The economies of practically every country in the world is down 30-70%, with one notable exception...China. their economy has grown during this pandemic.

    The country responsible for the origination of this pandemic is doing great, and make no mistake, they are already buying up bargains, the same bargains they created. They'll be ready to pounce wholesale when this thing hits the fan, and people need to wake up to what's happening, why it's happening, and how to prevent the damage now, not later.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭hometruths




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭DataDude


    schmittel wrote: »

    It was next door I think - 4 vs 5 Matthias Wood!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,625 ✭✭✭wassie


    Gradius wrote: »
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/chinese-invest-in-irish-social-housing-and-nursing-homes-1.4453623%3fmode=amp

    Look at this stuff going on. The economies of practically every country in the world is down 30-70%, with one notable exception...China. their economy has grown during this pandemic.

    The country responsible for the origination of this pandemic is doing great, and make no mistake, they are already buying up bargains, the same bargains they created. They'll be ready to pounce wholesale when this thing hits the fan, and people need to wake up to what's happening, why it's happening, and how to prevent the damage now, not later.

    Exactly. There'll be slim pickings left for those poor vulture funds from the good ol' USofA....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,277 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    DataDude wrote: »
    Yep - It could be really nice, but you'd need deep pockets to fix it up. It might be worth €1.3m at the end of the refurb, definitely not the beginning! I'd sooner take this!
    https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/5-saint-matthias-wood-church-road-killiney-dublin/4341827

    Not even sure it would even be worth that in Greystones.

    Church road is a bit of a rubbish location if I’m honest plenty of big detached houses but it’s the road to cherrywood now and not walking distance to anything worthwhile .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,277 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    schmittel wrote: »
    Selling season approaching so hopefully we'll have a bit more to look at.

    Will be interested to see what this goes for - 4 Ellerslie Villas, Bray - asking guts of 1.3m

    House next door - 3 Ellerslie Villas - sold quickly for a shade over 1m in 2019. It was asking 900k.

    Number 3 was a little bigger, in fantastic nick, been revamped, with decent sized kitchen/diner in the back bit.

    Number 4 looks expensive by comparison. If it gets that asking price, the market is on fire.

    Houses over 1m are very sticky in bray there were some crackers on king Edward road that were a third of what they would have been in Killiney / dalkey and they took an age to shift


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Cyrus wrote: »
    Church road is a bit of a rubbish location if I’m honest plenty of big detached houses but it’s the road to cherrywood now and not walking distance to anything worthwhile .

    Not a Killiney expert but just always had it in my head that Church Road was ‘nice’. Having done some scrolling on google maps - you’re right, thanks! Would likely have been too much of a stretch anyways!


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Cyrus wrote: »
    Houses over 1m are very sticky in bray there were some crackers on king Edward road that were a third of what they would have been in Killiney / dalkey and they took an age to shift

    Yep Bray has reputational issues and I guess 1m+ is a tough sell.

    I have this chat with my wife regularly trying to convince her that Bray will be the next big thing, but she’s not buying it. I don’t get the disdain for the place. I could quite happily live there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭1percent


    A stat that always blows me away, 2008 0 KMs of high speed rail 2018- 15,000KMs all done with Australian Iron ore.

    The last 200 years have been an anomaly they will likely regain their normal spot as the hegemonic power soon enough, as worrying as that sounds.

    I can't see China being a global Hegemon, regional yes but they don't have the force projection abilities to be global. They have a large army but mainly conscripts and a very limited blue water navy. The concept of Mianzi or to save face means its all about the show, well put together young lads with polished guns and big hats. They are completely untested in an actual fight.

    I would compare them to Germany (less the war guilt) not the US, they will be the dominant force in their theater, and important on the global stage but but not the dominant force. This will begin when the US begins to retreat in on itself either after an economic, military or political shock and will become a regional power. Taiwan will be left to fend for itself and will unite after a dogged resistance, Korea will enter their economic orbit and possibly reunite under Chinese guidance, indochina will become Chinas Mexico more so than it already is.

    The big contender will not be Europe or the US it will be India! I expect the main source of conflict will be between the two of these powers and India has been a sub continent whose people have nearly always been subjects to an outside ruling class.

    I think the coming century will be one of regional powers, US, Europe and China each working with and against the other two depending on the prevailing needs and threats of the time. The middle east will be left to smash itself to pieces as their oil is no longer needed and maybe Iran or Turkey could build it up to become a 4th power.

    Africa is where it will be at, and I think Europe has the advantage there, they speak our languages and we have enough colonial guilt that it will be an equal economic trade as opposed to the Chinese debt diplomacy as we see now with the belt and roads.

    How does this affect irish property? Well the Chinese might build a sizable portfolio but if they start playing silly bugger they would be easy enough to be ignored. As they say out east, the mountain may be big, but it is far away.


  • Administrators Posts: 54,110 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    If the so-called vulture funds do buy all the ulster bank loans (makes sense IMO), Ireland will most likely then just be a wholly owned subsidiary of these funds. A country in name only IMO

    Looks like there is a lot of interest in Ulster Bank's loan book from the other banks.

    https://www.independent.ie/business/aib-ready-to-buy-ulster-banks-crown-jewels-40107500.html

    TLDR: AIB want their business and corporate loans. PTSB + other small banks interested in their SME and mortgages.


  • Registered Users Posts: 861 ✭✭✭Zenify


    schmittel wrote: »
    Yep Bray has reputational issues and I guess 1m+ is a tough sell.

    I have this chat with my wife regularly trying to convince her that Bray will be the next big thing, but she’s not buying it. I don’t get the disdain for the place. I could quite happily live there.

    Bray is a stunning place. I think most people acknowledge that. The issue is the people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 273 ✭✭Galwayhurl


    awec wrote: »
    Looks like there is a lot of interest in Ulster Bank's loan book from the other banks.

    https://www.independent.ie/business/aib-ready-to-buy-ulster-banks-crown-jewels-40107500.html

    TLDR: AIB want their business and corporate loans. PTSB + other small banks interested in their SME and mortgages.

    The government needs to make PTSB the buyer of the UB customers and loans and make a proper 3rd Banking entity.

    Otherwise PTSB dies and BOI and AIB clean up and revert to being a duopoly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,940 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    It appears lockdown is continuing until May meaning house sales will be on hold until then . No viewings no surveys not sure how sales will be able to go through


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,277 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    DataDude wrote: »
    Not a Killiney expert but just always had it in my head that Church Road was ‘nice’. Having done some scrolling on google maps - you’re right, thanks! Would likely have been too much of a stretch anyways!

    Yeah don’t get me wrong there’s nothing ‘wrong’ with it plenty of nice houses but it was a more premium location in the past rather than now. As prime Killiney goes it’s at the bottom imo.

    If you are looking in the area and want a steer on anything feel free to send me a pm .

    They weren’t to most people’s taste but when you consider what the new build condor houses sold for at a similar size that church road house is a good 20-25 percent too expensive.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,277 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    schmittel wrote: »
    Yep Bray has reputational issues and I guess 1m+ is a tough sell.

    I have this chat with my wife regularly trying to convince her that Bray will be the next big thing, but she’s not buying it. I don’t get the disdain for the place. I could quite happily live there.

    I think your wife is right , for some reason the issue with bray persists .

    Something like this should be a quick sell if you consider what 1.6m gets you around but it never is

    https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/silverdale-king-edward-road-bray-county-wicklow-a98-x650/4461457#&gid=1&pid=5

    It’s amazing how much better greystones does given its much poorer transport links .


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Zenify wrote: »
    Bray is a stunning place. I think most people acknowledge that. The issue is the people.
    Cyrus wrote: »
    I think your wife is right , for some reason the issue with bray persists .

    Something like this should be a quick sell if you consider what 1.6m gets you around but it never is

    https://www.myhome.ie/residential/brochure/silverdale-king-edward-road-bray-county-wicklow-a98-x650/4461457#&gid=1&pid=5

    It’s amazing how much better greystones does given its much poorer transport links .

    Zenify is spot on, there is a snob thing going on that Bray is full of scumbags, but I think that is less true now than it used to be, but as you say it persists.

    Greystones boomed because that snob value was alive and well 20 years ago. Once the dart extended, those who fancied southside coastal living but priced out of Dalkey etc flocked to Greystones and skipped Bray.

    However I think over the next 20 years Bray will be playing catch up. It has everything going for it.

    Better transport links than Greystones.

    Better amenity/infrastructure potential. The main street and side streets are a bit dreary now, with things like vaping and fix your mobile phone shops, but it would not take much to transform it. Greystones is just one main st full of coffee shops.

    The seafront is far nicer and more functional than Greystones - it is a feature in Bray whereas Greystones feels like it has its back to the sea.

    The area around that Ellerslie villas house is really nice, leafy and mature, short walk to the seafront, bars, restaurants and the dart.

    Sure there are some less attractive parts with some dodgier people but they are no closer than the same issue in the premium southside locations - eg Killiney/Ballybrack.

    It would not take many well heeled Dubliners to move in, bringing more disposable income that will see the vaping shops etc give way to something more upmarket, and transform Bray into something really quite special.

    If you look at the development of south Dublin/North Wicklow over the past 50 years the glaring anomaly is Bray. I cannot see it lasting too much longer!


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If Bray did not improve during Celtic Tiger, which it didnt, I can't imagine it will change now.
    Strange place, the seafront is quite nice, but the town is terrible.
    Some very expensive houses full of people who travel somewhere else to shop and socialise.
    Plenty of scumbags and junkies.
    Id say it's as good as it's getting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭Hubertj


    schmittel wrote: »
    Zenify is spot on, there is a snob thing going on that Bray is full of scumbags, but I think that is less true now than it used to be, but as you say it persists.

    Greystones boomed because that snob value was alive and well 20 years ago. Once the dart extended, those who fancied southside coastal living but priced out of Dalkey etc flocked to Greystones and skipped Bray.

    However I think over the next 20 years Bray will be playing catch up. It has everything going for it.

    Better transport links than Greystones.

    Better amenity/infrastructure potential. The main street and side streets are a bit dreary now, with things like vaping and fix your mobile phone shops, but it would not take much to transform it. Greystones is just one main st full of coffee shops.

    The seafront is far nicer and more functional than Greystones - it is a feature in Bray whereas Greystones feels like it has its back to the sea.

    The area around that Ellerslie villas house is really nice, leafy and mature, short walk to the seafront, bars, restaurants and the dart.

    Sure there are some less attractive parts with some dodgier people but they are no closer than the same issue in the premium southside locations - eg Killiney/Ballybrack.

    It would not take many well heeled Dubliners to move in, bringing more disposable income that will see the vaping shops etc give way to something more upmarket, and transform Bray into something really quite special.

    If you look at the development of south Dublin/North Wicklow over the past 50 years the glaring anomaly is Bray. I cannot see it lasting too much longer!

    Agree with all of this. I’ve spent a lot of time in bray over last 20 years as have friends from there. It has improved significantly. In the past there were a lot of issues with fassaroe etc but not anymore.
    No Starbucks though


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Hubertj wrote: »
    Agree with all of this. I’ve spent a lot of time in bray over last 20 years as have friends from there. It has improved significantly. In the past there were a lot of issues with fassaroe etc but not anymore.
    No Starbucks though

    Your friends obviously live in the smart bit. In the shopping centre however...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭Hubertj


    schmittel wrote: »
    Your friends obviously live in the smart bit. In the shopping centre however...

    502_51904333.jpg

    Speechless


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,500 ✭✭✭Fuzzy_Dunlop


    It appears lockdown is continuing until May meaning house sales will be on hold until then . No viewings no surveys not sure how sales will be able to go through

    Where did you see this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭Flibble


    Where did you see this?

    Tis in the news
    https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-restrictions-may-5359185-Feb2021/

    Not mentioning house viewings specifically, but are most likely still part of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,123 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Do we know what this means for viewings?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭MacronvFrugals


    Mick Clifford on the LDA in this mornings Examiner


    Mick Clifford: 'Affordable' must have meaning in new Land Development Bill


    However, eyes often glaze over when quangos or acronyms and/or the word “development” is thrown out there. And perhaps some people would like eyes to glaze over so they can speed past any legitimate questions and worries.

    So it went, to a large extent, during the conception of Nama. Today, Nama is the focus of a major investigation into its disposal of assets in the North. Questions are still being asked over its interpretation of doing the State some service.
    parts of the LDA would not be covered by the Freedom of Information Act

    The agency plans to set up subsidiaries for joint ventures, and these entities will be exempt from any public scrutiny, including the FOI Act.

    Can you smell the lawyers warming up for a raft of expensive inquiries in the future when something goes pear-shaped?


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-40229570.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,940 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Do we know what this means for viewings?

    I really dont know how they can extend the ban on viewings but looks like it will be . You are literally stopping people buying homes for a year


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