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Penny Farthings, Legality and responsibility.

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  • #202
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Driver definitely at fault. I'm sure that will be great comfort to attention seeker while he is being spoon fed or collecting his teeth of the pavement.

    This more compares to people wearing converse or flip flops climbing mountains. Yes you are wearing shoes but if a rock rolls over your foot and fractures it there is a chance result would be a bit less painful if you were wearing hiking boots.


  • #203
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think when you look objectively at this video, it's clear that the van driver is in the wrong. But I think the reason people are turning on the cyclist is due to the sheer absurdity of the device he's pedalling in a crowded, urban setting. It seems inevitable that one would crash these things.

    If this video was just a dude on a regular bike it would be an open and shut case, driver is wrong.

    I think this thread proved beyond doubt that people will roll out the usual drivel regardless of the situation.

    We've had the cyclist wasn't visible, and stuck out like a circus act.
    Was too visible that brain couldn't deal with it and made him invisible
    We've had too slow and too fast, should have turned left, right, not turned.
    We've had cycling is dangerous, unsuitable for urban environment's.
    All bikes should have disc brakes.
    Should have been on a faster or slower bike.
    Looks like a circus act, needs to dress like a clown.

    Even if you had a protected cycle lane, and the mythical perfect bicycle. Its all pointless if someone is going ignore all of it and drive at you at speed, last minute, across on coming traffic, and against the right of way.


  • #204
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Driver definitely at fault. I'm sure that will be great comfort to attention seeker while he is being spoon fed or collecting his teeth of the pavement.

    This more compares to people wearing converse or flip flops climbing mountains. Yes you are wearing shoes but if a rock rolls over your foot and fractures it there is a chance result would be a bit less painful if you were wearing hiking boots.

    You actually mean you should be wearing steel toe caps. and construction boots while climbing. You don't use hiking books to "climb" mountains. You them to hike. Any rock that is going to crush your foot isn't going to be stopped by a hiking boot. Climbers wear helmets if there is a risk from rocks. Do you hike with a helmet

    Climbing shoes...

    https://www.google.com/search?q=climbing+shoes&safe=strict&rlz=1C1GCEB_enIE863IE863&sxsrf=ALeKk00Cv198pRpRzhIrtJWYueDZhtMh_w:1609945337465&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi62MnfyYfuAhWMunEKHVyYA6cQ_AUoAXoECAMQAw&biw=1280&bih=578

    Climbing helmet...

    https://www.google.com/search?q=climbing+helmet&safe=strict&rlz=1C1GCEB_enIE863IE863&sxsrf=ALeKk016nKIgkceGX28STV_gr-bjhQnyKw:1609945503996&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjJgf6uyofuAhXTasAKHQOTDNgQ_AUoAXoECAUQAw&biw=1280&bih=578


  • #205
    beauf
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    So now we need full face helmets for cycling, to the coffee shop.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=full+face+mtb+helmet&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwifv8-wyofuAhW_XRUIHbu5DB8Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=Full+face+MTV&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQARgAMgYIABAKEBg6BAgAEEM6BQgAELEDOgIIADoICAAQsQMQgwFQ2bcHWNLPB2Dy2wdoAHAAeACAAVGIAfIFkgECMTOYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=o9H1X9_hGb-71fAPu_Oy-AE&bih=578&biw=1280&rlz=1C1GCEB_enIE863IE863&safe=strict

    Guess we should have them for pedestrians also. Since they might also help if hit by a high speed van.


  • #206
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Driver definitely at fault. .............

    The PF rider cycled into the van, if missed the tail end of the van he would have cycled into the wall

    The van is passed the line of the footpath when the PF rider crashes into the van

    Look at how far left he is


    https://imgur.com/Fqu57L5

    .


  • #207
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    beauf wrote: »
    You actually mean you should be wearing steel toe caps. and construction boots while climbing. You don't use hiking books to "climb" mountains. You them to hike. Any rock that is going to crush your foot isn't going to be stopped by a hiking boot. Climbers wear helmets if there is a risk from rocks. Do you hike with a helmet

    Climbing shoes...

    https://www.google.com/search?q=climbing+shoes&safe=strict&rlz=1C1GCEB_enIE863IE863&sxsrf=ALeKk00Cv198pRpRzhIrtJWYueDZhtMh_w:1609945337465&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi62MnfyYfuAhWMunEKHVyYA6cQ_AUoAXoECAMQAw&biw=1280&bih=578

    Climbing helmet...

    https://www.google.com/search?q=climbing+helmet&safe=strict&rlz=1C1GCEB_enIE863IE863&sxsrf=ALeKk016nKIgkceGX28STV_gr-bjhQnyKw:1609945503996&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjJgf6uyofuAhXTasAKHQOTDNgQ_AUoAXoECAUQAw&biw=1280&bih=578

    That's when they clim a rock wall. Most mountains you climb are not just one climbing wall. However knock yourself out on semantics if you want to. And no you don't use steel toe cap boots and as far as I know I didn't mention them anywhere.


  • #208
    beauf
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    They are comically unsuited to utility cycling, compared to just about any other type of bike. Except maybe the Sinclair A-bike.

    I raise you another "A" framer...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBk8Yc0hI6k&ab_channel=%E3%81%A8%E3%81%8A%E3%81%BE%E3%82%8F%E3%82%8ATomawari

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7cxg4lsEVM&ab_channel=StridaMinsk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7VY9tQhxEU&ab_channel=StridaPolska


  • #209
    beauf
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    meeeeh wrote: »
    That's when they clim a rock wall. Most mountains you climb are not just one climbing wall. However knock yourself out on semantics if you want to.

    Do you go on many hikes where you avoid rocks so often you need helmets and steel toe boots. Maybe mountains should be off limits to hikers with all the rock falls. Maybe they should be restricted to hard paths in parks. Bit like the way urban environments are too dangerous for cycling.


  • #210
    breezy1985
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    meeeeh wrote: »
    That's when they clim a rock wall. Most mountains you climb are not just one climbing wall. However knock yourself out on semantics if you want to. And no you don't use steel toe cap boots and as far as I know I didn't mention them anywhere.

    You should always wear a helmet when doing semantics


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  • #211
    beauf
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    You should always wear a helmet when doing semantics

    Well you're between a rock and hard place.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXHUq2S8qq8&ab_channel=CatersClips


  • #212
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    beauf wrote: »
    Do you go on many hikes where you avoid rocks so often you need helmets and steel toe boots. Maybe mountains should be off limits to hikers with all the rock falls. Maybe they should be restricted to hard paths in parks. Bit like the way urban environments are too dangerous for cycling.

    I didn't think urban environments or mountains are particularly dangerous unless you are a moron. Then everything is dangerous.


  • #213
    magicbastarder
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    speaking of non-standard bikes, i'd love a go on a fully faired recumbent (on a closed track); apparently they're insanely fast.


  • #214
    magicbastarder
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    and on that note, i think i'd be more nervous in a recumbent than on a penny farthing, in an urban context.


  • #215
    beauf
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    meeeeh wrote: »
    I didn't think urban environments or mountains are particularly dangerous unless you are a moron. Then everything is dangerous.

    I hadn't thought a PF was either. Apparently its akin to base jumping though.

    Who knew...


  • #216
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    beauf wrote: »
    I hadn't thought a PF was either. Apparently its akin to base jumping though.

    Who knew...

    Well they are only obsolete 150 years or so. I'm sure they are still perfectly adaptable to today's use. Like horse and carriage on a motorway.


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  • #217
    magicbastarder
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    a horse and carriage are still legal on roads. the mention of motorways is a red herring.


  • #218
    tomasrojo
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    beauf wrote: »
    I raise you another "A" framer...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBk8Yc0hI6k&ab_channel=%E3%81%A8%E3%81%8A%E3%81%BE%E3%82%8F%E3%82%8ATomawari

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7cxg4lsEVM&ab_channel=StridaMinsk

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7VY9tQhxEU&ab_channel=StridaPolska

    The Sinclair one has wheels the size of a stroller lthough!

    Shouldn't knock them till I try them, I suppose.


  • #219
    beauf
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    meeeeh wrote: »
    Well they are only obsolete 150 years or so. I'm sure they are still perfectly adaptable to today's use. Like horse and carriage on a motorway.

    Bicycle are not allowed on a motorway either.

    A few other things too.
    Learner drivers
    Slow vehicles (i.e. not capable of reaching 50 km/h (30 mph) on a level road)
    Invalid carriages (lightweight three-wheeled vehicles)
    Pedestrians
    Pedal-cycles (bicycles, etc.)
    Vehicles under 50cc (e.g. mopeds)
    Vehicles without pneumatic tyres
    Animals

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorways_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

    Does that mean they are all obsolete too. Or maybe this is yet another thing that has got nothing to do with the other.


  • #220
    tomasrojo
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    and on that note, i think i'd be more nervous in a recumbent than on a penny farthing, in an urban context.


    Well, I imagine we'll have a collision of a recumbent colliding with something on video to pore over here sooner or later.


  • #221
    meeeeh
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    a horse and carriage are still legal on roads. the mention of motorways is a red herring.

    I didn't say he was breaking a law or was at fault. I said he is a moron (and attention seeker), probably one without teeth too.


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  • #222
    tomasrojo
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    gctest50 wrote: »
    The PF rider cycled into the van, if missed the tail end of the van he would have cycled into the wall

    The van is passed the line of the footpath when the PF rider crashes into the van

    Look at how far left he is


    https://imgur.com/Fqu57L5

    .

    He swerved left to avoid the van though. You can't really dart in front of an oncoming vehicle, make the person take evasive action and then absolve yourself on the grounds of (barely) clearing the person's original trajectory.


  • #223
    beauf
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    meeeeh wrote: »
    I didn't say he was breaking a law or was at fault. I said he is a moron (and attention seeker), probably one without teeth too.

    Does this also apply to vintage car drivers also.


  • #224
    beauf
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    He swerved left to avoid the van though. You can't really dart in front of an oncoming vehicle, make the person take evasive action and then absolve yourself on the grounds of (barely) clearing the person's original trajectory.

    He probably thinks he should be fined for cycling on the pavement, and loitering for just reclining on the pavement.


  • #225
    meeeeh
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    beauf wrote: »
    Bicycle are not allowed on a motorway either.

    A few other things too.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorways_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

    Does that mean they are all obsolete too. Or maybe this is yet another thing that has got nothing to do with the other.
    You are very good at imagining what I wrote. Last time it was steel toe caps (which still baffles me btw, you would have to be crazy to wear steel toe caps anywhere near rolling rocks), this time it is obsolete=drives on motorway.

    Just for you:

    1a : no longer in use or no longer useful an obsolete word. b : of a kind or style no longer current : old-fashioned an obsolete technology farming methods that are now obsolete. 2 of a plant or animal part : indistinct or imperfect as compared with a corresponding part in related organisms : vestigial. obsolete.


  • #226
    beauf
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    meeeeh wrote: »
    You are very good at imagining what I wrote. Last time it was steel toe caps (which still baffles me btw, you would have to be crazy to wear steel toe caps anywhere near rolling rocks), this time it is obsolete=drives on motorway.

    Just for you:

    1a : no longer in use or no longer useful an obsolete word. b : of a kind or style no longer current : old-fashioned an obsolete technology farming methods that are now obsolete. 2 of a plant or animal part : indistinct or imperfect as compared with a corresponding part in related organisms : vestigial. obsolete.

    You're very good at not answering a question about anything you post, but instead posting another unrelated thing.

    People use vintage stuff all the time. It got nothing to do with obsolescence.


  • #227
    tomasrojo
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    I don't really think the hating on attention seekers is necessarily justified. They can be pretty entertaining, and add to the gaiety of the nation.

    Penny farthings are technically obsolete alright though. The main reason for the big wheel disappeared with differential gearing, chain drives and pneumatic tyres. There's no practical reason to favour one.

    I do like them though.


  • #228
    beauf
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Well, I imagine we'll have a collision of a recumbent colliding with something on video to pore over here sooner or later.

    Probably a horse and cart. Both with no teeth. (not sure if that applies to the horse).


  • #229
    meeeeh
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    beauf wrote: »
    Does this also apply to vintage car drivers also.

    It can for what I care. If they drive in an unsafe car they might be more likely dead and less likely toothless but yeah. It also depends how road worthy the car is but it's clear some of them have no place on roads outside exhibition drives where road is closed for all other traffic.

    I wouldn't have any issues someone cycling 70 years (or whatever other age) old bike if it's in roadworthy condition.


  • #230
    tomasrojo
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    beauf wrote: »
    He probably thinks he should be fined for cycling on the pavement, and loitering for just reclining on the pavement.

    I once hit an icy patch on a corner in town, and had to leave the road; it was either go up the dished kerb or hit the raised kerb basically. Nauturally, with this choice, I ended up on the footpath, but stopped promptly. I handled it fairly well, but two pedestrians gave me some very dirty looks, as if it was a standard pavement-cycling scenario (they weren't all that near me at the time).


  • #231
    tomasrojo
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    beauf wrote: »
    Probably a horse and cart. Both with no teeth. (not sure if that applies to the horse).

    If you wait long enough, every scenario and combination will probably end up on YouTube.


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  • #232
    beauf
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    I don't really think the hating on attention seekers is necessarily justified. They can be pretty entertaining, and add to the gaiety of the nation.

    Penny farthings are technically obsolete alright though. The main reason for the big wheel disappeared with differential gearing, chain drives and pneumatic tyres. There's no practical reason to favour one.

    I do like them though.

    There are other big wheels....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNZCZsHJIR8&ab_channel=devinsupertramp

    :D


  • #233
    beauf
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    meeeeh wrote: »
    It can for what I care. If they drive in an unsafe car they might be more likely dead and less likely toothless but yeah. It also depends how road worthy the car is but it's clear some of them have no place on roads outside exhibition drives where road is closed for all other traffic.

    I wouldn't have any issues someone cycling 70 years (or whatever other age) old bike if it's in roadworthy condition.

    No place on public roads...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUAMS9g_5bI&ab_channel=JayLeno%27sGarage

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCPy0d2KRSc&ab_channel=JayLeno%27sGarage

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUg_ukBwsyo&ab_channel=JayLeno%27sGarage


  • #234
    Eamonnator
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    beauf wrote: »
    There are other big wheels....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNZCZsHJIR8&ab_channel=devinsupertramp

    :D

    See the guy in his bare feet, f**kin' hell!


  • #235
    tomasrojo
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    beauf wrote: »
    No place on public roads...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUAMS9g_5bI&ab_channel=JayLeno%27sGarage

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCPy0d2KRSc&ab_channel=JayLeno%27sGarage

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUg_ukBwsyo&ab_channel=JayLeno%27sGarage
    I'd say he and Jerry Seinfeld probably can regale each other all day long with their collections of unusual cars


  • #236
    meeeeh
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    beauf wrote: »
    No place on public roads...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUAMS9g_5bI&ab_channel=JayLeno%27sGarage

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCPy0d2KRSc&ab_channel=JayLeno%27sGarage

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUg_ukBwsyo&ab_channel=JayLeno%27sGarage
    Oh grow up. No I don't think you should drive car without seat belt in normal traffic. I'm sure other safety objections would be there too. I'm not even going to bother with the other two videos.


  • #237
    magicbastarder
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    beauf wrote: »
    No place on public roads...
    he also has a turbine powered car, which has an unfortunate side effect of melting the bumper of anyone who pulls up too close to him in traffic.


  • #238
    tomasrojo
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    he also has a turbine powered car, which has an unfortunate side effect of melting the bumper of anyone who pulls up too close to him in traffic.
    I think Jerry Seinfeld has a car that he can't drive on the road, because it's such a limited edition it was never certified for use on the road.

    Ah, it's this one, I think:
    You can’t just take a car off the race track and drive it to work. But performance and modifications aren’t the reasons the 1983 Porsche 959 in the Jerry Seinfeld car collection can’t go on the road – it’s emissions. More specifically, emissions and safety testing.

    Porsche needed to build 200 models to tackle legal obligations in Germany and all of them were purchased before they left the line. The US needed four models for emissions and safety testing, but they just weren’t available. We couldn’t put our stamp of approval on it and Jerry can’t drive his $700,000 Porsche.
    Porsche_959_Concept_Car_Gruppe_B_1983-650x487.jpg?lossy=1&strip=1&webp=1
    https://shoptoolreviews.com/news/jerry-seinfeld-car-collection-were-still-drooling/34977/


  • #239
    beauf
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    Harry used to have non road legal defender.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brrn2k0jW9E&ab_channel=Harry%27sgarage


  • #240
    magicbastarder
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    so it's just that it's not street legal in the US? the 959 was the first car boris becker ever owned. not a bad first car to have, for a teenager.


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  • #241
    breezy1985
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    and on that note, i think i'd be more nervous in a recumbent than on a penny farthing, in an urban context.

    Ide be terrified going through traffic at that height. Must be a strange way to view moving cars


  • #242
    tomasrojo
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    so it's just that it's not street legal in the US? the 959 was the first car boris becker ever owned. not a bad first car to have, for a teenager.

    Yeah, that would tie in with the Germans getting all the models for testing.


  • #243
    magicbastarder
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Ide be terrified going through traffic at that height. Must be a strange way to view moving cars
    yeah, at least on my bike i can see over/be seen over most saloon cars. on a recumbent you'd be hidden behind any car.


  • #244
    breezy1985
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    yeah, at least on my bike i can see over/be seen over most saloon cars. on a recumbent you'd be hidden behind any car.

    I know they have little flags so cars can see them but the view from down there must be a hard thing to get used to


  • #245
    tomasrojo
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    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Ide be terrified going through traffic at that height. Must be a strange way to view moving cars

    Richard Ballantine (of dog-strangling fame) favoured a recumbent. He reckoned he had no trouble being seen, and in fact got rather more attention than most people would like. I got the impression he enjoyed the attention. I guess you take your thrills when strangling dogs is no longer publicly acceptable.


  • #246
    breezy1985
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Richard Ballantine (of dog-strangling fame) favoured a recumbent. He reckoned he had no trouble being seen, and in fact got rather more attention than most people would like. I got the impression he enjoyed the attention. I guess you take your thrills when strangling dogs is no longer publicly acceptable.

    After reading that I'm not sure he is a good advocate to have on your side. Probably best to do the opposite of what he does.

    Unless of course you are someone who actually needs to cycle a recumbent


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  • #247
    tomasrojo
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    His books are very good actually. Wouldn't agree with everything he ever wrote -- certainly not the dog-killing -- but he had some good advice too.

    I did seriously consider buying a recumbent at one stage, for one quite long journey I had to do fairly frequently that was taking too long, but it just seemed overkill in the end. I think I lost my job about the time anyway.


  • #248
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,286 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Wow! That's some cringy sh1te! Even worse you had to lift it from someone else.

    Lots more "cringe material" for you at

    https://cyclingfallacies.com/en/

    For me, the only cringe here is the Pavlovian dragging up of tired old canards of helmets and hi-vis where entirely irrelevant.


  • #249
    Gerry T
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    Some polar views on this thread. I've watched that video a number of times and yes van driver at fault, no question.

    A separate issue, if the cyclist was on a more 'standard' road bike would he have missed the collision, I think he would. But that's debatable and I don't think some here would be convinced of that or want to entertain discussing that possibility.

    Slightly off topic but it asks a question, should you be allowed on a public road cycling anything you care to, of course all cyclists should wear a helmet and their bike should be suitable & road worthy. I appreciate it's impracticable to have a bike annual safety checked, but I can see it happening in the future. Would that not remove the problem, like cars have a test that checks safety. Your average scrote would ignore it but they prob end up driving without insurance on bald tyres anyway.


  • #250
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Gerry T wrote: »
    Some polar views on this thread. I've watched that video a number of times and yes van driver at fault, no question.

    A separate issue, if the cyclist was on a more 'standard' road bike would he have missed the collision, I think he would. But that's debatable and I don't think some here would be convinced of that or want to entertain discussing that possibility.

    Slightly off topic but it asks a question, should you be allowed on a public road cycling anything you care to, of course all cyclists should wear a helmet and their bike should be suitable & road worthy. I appreciate it's impracticable to have a bike annual safety checked, but I can see it happening in the future. Would that not remove the problem, like cars have a test that checks safety. Your average scrote would ignore it but they prob end up driving without insurance on bald tyres anyway.

    Remove what problem.


  • #251
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,310 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    I fail to see how a bike safety check would make a van driver a better driver?

    Maybe a Garda pulling the van driver over and issue a fine would help?


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