ISME getting in bed with the far right

Tony EH

Deleted User wrote: »

The whole point of the topic is that people are labeling GRIPT far right despite no proof of it.

Topics grow and evolve. Get used to it.

Akrasia

Akrasia wrote: »

It makes him far right in an Irish context, just not an extremist. Almost anyone in the US who considers them centrist is right wing by our standards, and anyone on the right of their center is far right

I know JP is Canadian, but he is considered to the right in the context of US politics

It's all a bit pointless referring to Jordan Peterson in an Irish context considering he's a Canadian, who lives in Canada. Politics outside of Ireland is in general a bit more extreme. In the context of the country JP lives he's center right.

Labelling him far-right is done with the intention of engaging in character assination, and now you are rolling back and talking of 'in an Irish context', a context you didn't initially give. Even in an Irish context he'd be right wing as opposed to far-right.

Eric Cartman

Akrasia wrote: »

Racists oppose anti racism for a start, and then there are the people who never experienced racism so think it does not exist or is not a problem, so they see anti racism as some Trojan horse used to bring in ‘socialism’ or some other ideology

Name one group that operates in Ireland or the UK that brands itself as ‘anti racist’ thats not also actively ‘pro socialism / communism’

Yellow_Fern

Akrasia wrote: »

It makes him far right in an Irish context, just not an extremist. Almost anyone in the US who considers them centrist is right wing by our standards, and anyone on the right of their center is far right

I know JP is Canadian, but he is considered to the right in the context of US politics

This a common fallacy. People perceive the US as much more right wing so right wing there must mean far right here. It isn't true. Political science is universal, not regional. Far right or far left isn't relativist. Being ok with the concept of blood supremy is the kind of thing that is far right. Another example is the idea that the individual exists to serve his nation or race. It is an absolute point on the spectrum of ideas but I agree there is a messiness using terms like far right or far left. Better to use the names of ideologies (socialist, libertarian, Burkean conservative, social democrat, racial supremacist etc).

Given that is a greater % of black people working in Gript than the Irish Times, I doubt they are racial supremist.

Eric Cartman

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

This a common fallacy. People perceive the US as much more right wing so right wing there must mean far right here. It isn't true. Political science is universal, not regional. Far right or far left isn't relativist. Being ok with the concept of blood supremy is the kind of thing that is far right. Another example is the idea that the individual exists to serve his nation or race. It is an absolute point on the spectrum of ideas but I agree there is a messiness using terms like far right or far left. Better to use the names of ideologies (socialist, libertarian, Burkean conservative, social democrat, racial supremacist etc).

Given that is a greater % of black people working in Gript than the Irish Times, I doubt they are racial supremist.

Theyre certainly not, as said there are certain views that take people over the threshold to far right and gript cant be shown to meet them . Its a moderate right wing publication espousing moderate right wing views

TomTomTim

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Theyre certainly not, as said there are certain views that take people over the threshold to far right and gript cant be shown to meet them . Its a moderate right wing publication espousing moderate right wing views

Which is the M.O of the far right. Don't let them fool you. If John had his way they'd be throwing gays of rooftops and rounding up the Jews.

Eric Cartman

TomTomTim wrote: »

Which is the M.O of the far right. Don't let them fool you. If John had his way they'd be throwing gays of rooftops and rounding up the Jews.

I dont think john mcguirk is a closet muslim extremist

TomTomTim

TomTomTim wrote: »

Which is the M.O of the far right. Don't let them fool you. If John had his way they'd be throwing gays of rooftops and rounding up the Jews.

Would you stop. I don't like the chap myself but that's a ridiculous thing to suggest.

Acosta

Billy Mays wrote: »

It's there for me when I click on it

Here's the post on it's own

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114262073&postcount=513

Jesus, that's bad even for that poster. It does surprise how far over the line people can go and still be welcome to post in CA.

Hhhhh

Hhhhh wrote: »

Would you stop. I don't like the chap myself but that's a ridiculous thing to suggest.

I'm pretty sure that was tongue in cheek

Danzy

TomTomTim wrote: »

Which is the M.O of the far right. Don't let them fool you. If John had his way they'd be throwing gays of rooftops and rounding up the Jews.

Is he moving to England and joining momentum?

Presumably you are joking or just giving an example of why the left has largely died across western Europe and will eventually here as well.

Danzy

fvp4 wrote: »

That said if you have the support of multinationals are you really left wing.

Multi national workers are a key demographic in voting for the modern Left.

Understandably so. If you can't get the highest paying demographic to lean left something has gone deeply wrong.

ThunbergsAreGo

Danzy wrote: »

Multi national workers are a key demographic in voting for the modern Left.

Understandably so. If you can't get the highest paying demographic to lean left something has gone deeply wrong.

Think he means the companies, not the workers

Dyr

Danzy wrote: »

Multi national workers are a key demographic in voting for the modern Left.

The G7 might have solved that particular problem in Ireland.

Hope Mickey Martin has a plan B for tax intake or Rodders will need to find another sugar daddy to buy homes for all of his New Irish.

Mad_maxx

archfi wrote: »

There is a balancey thing going on at LBC
Farage hasn't been there for over a year.
Of the presenters/shows I know ( I don't know some of the newer one/two gig weekend presenters)
Ferrari - rw
Pierce - rw
Dale - rw
Swarbrick -rw
Castle - rw
Davidson - rw
Fogarty - lw
Mair - lw
O'Brien - lw
Lammy - lw
Abbot - lw
Frei - lw

Edit - lw/rw doesn't really do justice to those presenters, some actually can present with some nuance and aren't totally ideological

I dont listen to LBC but Nick Ferrari seems to be on Matt Coopers show a few times per week and he comes across to be as fairly centrist , He certainly doesnt defend Borris Johnson too much

Mad_maxx

Akrasia wrote: »

It makes him far right in an Irish context, just not an extremist. Almost anyone in the US who considers them centrist is right wing by our standards, and anyone on the right of their center is far right

I know JP is Canadian, but he is considered to the right in the context of US politics

thats not how it works , within the context of Swedish politics and discourse , FG are probably almost " far right "

you cant keep redefining " far right "

Mad_maxx

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Theyre certainly not, as said there are certain views that take people over the threshold to far right and gript cant be shown to meet them . Its a moderate right wing publication espousing moderate right wing views

Gript only stands out as being right wing due to the near left wing monoculture of irish media

AndrewJRenko

HBC08 wrote: »

Thanks for posting a list of foreign newspapers.
Meanwhile back in this country the National broadcaster is unashamedly left wing.

Who's 'unashamedly left wing' on RTE? Have you listened to Tubridy, Richard Curran, Claire Byrne, Joe Duffy recently? They're not exactly jumping over barricades to start the revolution. They're quite happy to play the charidee wordy cause game, to let the plebs get a few crumbs dropped from the table instead of any actual rights to decent services.

Mad_maxx wrote: »

You think RTE aren't left ? :eek:

You think RTE ARE left? :eek:
Who on RTE pushes left positions?

Tony EH wrote: »

Whether he can be considered far right or not, a snake oil salesman he definitely was.

Casey tried playing the Trump/Farage card, he went for travellers instead of Mexicans or immigrants in general, and gained some traction in the Presidential election. And he gained double the votes in the Boards poll for that election than he did in the real world, which is telling.

But people saw through him. Anytime he opened his mouth about how he was actually going to make change happen, it was clear he hadn't the slightest clue about the political domain. He expected FF to come knocking on his door asking to be leader.

Deleted User wrote: »

The whole point of the topic is that people are labeling GRIPT far right despite no proof of it.

What proof do you need? They're trying the same approach as Brietbart, Daily Mail in the UK, stirring up hatred, getting people to punch down instead of punching up - with negligible traction.

Bambi wrote: »

The G7 might have solved that particular problem in Ireland.

Hope Mickey Martin has a plan B for tax intake or Rodders will need to find another sugar daddy to buy homes for all of his New Irish.

The 'new Irish' were their long before the current Minister and will be there long after. Though it is interesting to note how the current Minister has become a particular target of hate for the far right, from those carrying noose signs at street protests to posts like your own.

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Gript only stands out as being right wing due to the near left wing monoculture of irish media

So just to be clear, Newstalk, Sunday Business Post, Times on Sunday, Irish Daily Mail/Mail on Sunday, even the SIndo are ALL part of this 'near left wing monoculture'?

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Theyre certainly not, as said there are certain views that take people over the threshold to far right and gript cant be shown to meet them . Its a moderate right wing publication espousing moderate right wing views

ibrahimovic

My mums far right and my dads far left, they get on just fine. Stop being biggoted bro xx

Danzy

What is considered anti racism changes as well.

30 years ago many of the positions held by anti racist activists were the sole preserve of Ayn Rand fans, too far economically to the right for Thatcher and opposed by most trade unionists.

That change is down to the class divide now. The Left today is achingly middle class.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What proof do you need? They're trying the same approach as Brietbart, Daily Mail in the UK, stirring up hatred, getting people to punch down instead of punching up - with negligible traction.

Any would be nice.

I don't buy into your punching up/down malarkey. If what they are saying is true, it's not punching. It's reporting.

Saying something negative about an immigrant here illegally, saying something true about a trans person which isn't positive, mentioning a minority race in connection with a crime is not punching down.

It's that kind of thinking which stifles reporting for fear of being branded a racist by the likes of you.

If they are making up stuff about these people, I will join you in condemnation.

But can you please point to any news article on their main page which is factually incorrect?

I haven't gone through it myself so there may easily be one there.

But if you don't see one, then I'm afraid all they are guilty of is reporting news you don't like.

ThunbergsAreGo

Id say going after NGOs and Quangos is punching up

Id say being anti prolonged lockdown is punching up.

And if anti lockdown is far right then surely most of our media with their pro lockdown push are far left (which is nonsense).

RTE are populist, and just not very good. It's all "spend more money" etc etc.

There does seem to be certain people that think reporting anything negative about certain sectors is a bad thing....

Snake Plisken

TomTomTim wrote: »

Which is the M.O of the far right. Don't let them fool you. If John had his way they'd be throwing gays of rooftops and rounding up the Jews.

What a load of crap! Cop yourself on!

Mad_maxx

Deleted User wrote: »

Any would be nice.

I don't buy into your punching up/down malarkey. If what they are saying is true, it's not punching. It's reporting.

Saying something negative about an immigrant here illegally, saying something true about a trans person which isn't positive, mentioning a minority race in connection with a crime is not punching down.

It's that kind of thinking which stifles reporting for fear of being branded a racist by the likes of you.

If they are making up stuff about these people, I will join you in condemnation.

But can you please point to any news article on their main page which is factually incorrect?

I haven't gone through it myself so there may easily be one there.

But if you don't see one, then I'm afraid all they are guilty of is reporting news you don't like.

of all the dopey soundbites the WOKE left parrot , " punch down " is probably the most tedious

it effectively means if someone ( or some group ) is on the designated victim wall chart , you cannot criticise them

Danzy

Danzy wrote: »

What is considered anti racism changes as well.

30 years ago many of the positions held by anti racist activists were the sole preserve of Ayn Rand fans, too far economically to the right for Thatcher and opposed by most trade unionists.

That change is down to the class divide now. The Left today is achingly middle class.

Pro immigration can be a luxury belief system alright.

Mad_maxx

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Id say going after NGOs and Quangos is punching up

Id say being anti prolonged lockdown is punching up.

And if anti lockdown is far right then surely most of our media with their pro lockdown push are far left (which is nonsense).

RTE are populist, and just not very good. It's all "spend more money" etc etc.

There does seem to be certain people that think reporting anything negative about certain sectors is a bad thing....

RTE are not populist , they are elitist champagne socialists , they call for higher public spending because they are big on big government , hence their year long orgasm over tight lockdown

AndrewJRenko

Mad_maxx wrote: »

RTE are not populist , they are elitist champagne socialists , they call for higher public spending because they are big on big government , hence their year long orgasm over tight lockdown

Who in RTE has been calling for higher public spending?

All we've heard for 18 months has been charity charity charity, which is all about avoiding government spending on decent services.

Dyr

Who's 'unashamedly left wing' on RTE? Have you listened to Tubridy, Richard Curran, Claire Byrne, Joe Duffy recently? They're not exactly jumping over barricades to start the revolution. They're quite happy to play the charidee wordy cause game, to let the plebs get a few crumbs dropped from the table instead of any actual rights to decent services.

Always with the same three card trick: But RTE are'nt camapaigning for the end of capitalism, how are they left?

RTEs current affairs programs look like they were co-produced by Mikey D up in the Áras, The same uber liberal bias you see across the chattering class on this Island. They seem to be in partnership with the Greens at the moment.

Akrasia

Hhhhh wrote: »

It's all a bit pointless referring to Jordan Peterson in an Irish context considering he's a Canadian, who lives in Canada. Politics outside of Ireland is in general a bit more extreme. In the context of the country JP lives he's center right.

Labelling him far-right is done with the intention of engaging in character assination, and now you are rolling back and talking of 'in an Irish context', a context you didn't initially give. Even in an Irish context he'd be right wing as opposed to far-right.

The only reason I brought him up is because he is featured in this GRIPT website so his views need to be assessed in the context of Irish politics

Akrasia

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Name one group that operates in Ireland or the UK that brands itself as ‘anti racist’ thats not also actively ‘pro socialism / communism’

https://inar.ie/membership/inar-members/ Over 160 members of the Irish anti racist network

But you’re right, Bray Wanderers football club are secretly a vanguard of the Soviet Union