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ISME getting in bed with the far right

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Akrasia wrote: »
    https://inar.ie/membership/inar-members/ Over 160 members of the Irish anti racist network

    But you’re right, Bray Wanderers football club are secretly a vanguard of the Soviet Union

    How does supporting a football club mean that they can't be socialists? Your argument is bizarre.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Akrasia wrote: »
    https://inar.ie/membership/inar-members/ Over 160 members of the Irish anti racist network

    But you’re right, Bray Wanderers football club are secretly a vanguard of the Soviet Union

    Like a whos who of where taxpayers money is being spent inefficiently


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,114 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    How does supporting a football club mean that they can't be socialists? Your argument is bizarre.

    How does it make them "actively ‘pro socialism / communism’" as Eric 'take a Gatling gun to the immigrant boats' Cartman suggested?


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,114 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Bambi wrote: »
    Always with the same three card trick: But RTE are'nt camapaigning for the end of capitalism, how are they left?

    RTEs current affairs programs look like they were co-produced by Mikey D up in the Áras, The same uber liberal bias you see across the chattering class on this Island. They seem to be in partnership with the Greens at the moment.

    Classic strawman, twisting my words into something I didn't say so you can look reasonable when you argue with it.

    Followed by the beautifully vague critique - would you like to be specific about what episode of what shows recently showed this 'uber liberal bias, in partnership with the Greens' over the past month or so please?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Akrasia wrote: »
    The only reason I brought him up is because he is featured in this GRIPT website so his views need to be assessed in the context of Irish politics

    What of his views have you assessed that brings you to the conclusion that he is far right?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    thats not how it works , within the context of Swedish politics and discourse , FG are probably almost " far right "

    you cant keep redefining " far right "

    It’s almost as if the term ‘far’ is relative isn’t it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Gript only stands out as being right wing due to the near left wing monoculture of irish media

    How many Irish media organizations are pro union, pro democratic control of the workplace by the workers? Pro increasing taxation on the wealthy to fund better social services???

    Or do o you just define right/left in how they view treating minorities and immigrants?


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Danzy wrote: »
    What is considered anti racism changes as well.

    30 years ago many of the positions held by anti racist activists were the sole preserve of Ayn Rand fans, too far economically to the right for Thatcher and opposed by most trade unionists.

    That change is down to the class divide now. The Left today is achingly middle class.

    What positions held by ‘anti racists’ are Ayn Rand? Give me some examples


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    How does supporting a football club mean that they can't be socialists? Your argument is bizarre.

    I was asked for a single example of an outwardly anti racist group who weren’t communist or socialist. Are you suggesting Bray wandrerers are a socialist soccer club?


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Like a whos who of where taxpayers money is being spent inefficiently

    What is a good use of tax payers money?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    What of his views have you assessed that brings you to the conclusion that he is far right?

    I’ve already answered this


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Akrasia wrote: »
    What is a good use of tax payers money?

    Not having multiple organisations that do the same thing getting funding and then rolling up to an umbrella organisation that gets more funding.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Not having multiple organisations that do the same thing getting funding and then rolling up to an umbrella organisation that gets more funding.
    So you just want the local bodies without any national or regional coordination? Or you want the national or regional body to do everything themselves with no local input? Or, as I suspect,
    do you just mean not find any of these activities in the first place?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Do you just mean not find any of these activities in the first place?

    I don't understand

    Much like how I don't really understand what anti racism is


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I don't understand

    Much like how I don't really understand what anti racism is

    Ok, we’ll at least you admit it I suppose


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Ok, we’ll at least you admit it I suppose

    Well I asked you and I didn't really get an explanation, just a soundbite.

    But look this is rather off topic

    I think there is some drivel in Gript I think there is some good work like all newspapers. If its not too your or others tastes fine (some of it isn't to mine) but this need to attach "far" to things we don't like helps noone and drives people further apart.

    Can I be anti far descriptions


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Who in RTE has been calling for higher public spending?

    All we've heard for 18 months has been charity charity charity, which is all about avoiding government spending on decent services.

    come budget time when the various parties present their manifestos , RTE will adopt a concerned tone when talking to any party who appears to be lowering taxes as a priority over increased spending

    they are extremely deferential to the likes of Fr Peter McVerry who is forever calling for huge public spending and a post budget panel will never be minus some representative of a charity or public sector union , usually the nurses union who of course want more spending


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Bambi wrote: »
    Always with the same three card trick: But RTE are'nt camapaigning for the end of capitalism, how are they left?

    RTEs current affairs programs look like they were co-produced by Mikey D up in the Áras, The same uber liberal bias you see across the chattering class on this Island. They seem to be in partnership with the Greens at the moment.

    the Labour party ( until they faced their mass electoral cull ) used to be the party of RTE , the dogs in the street knew that , today they have gotten behind the Greens and even more so the Soc Dems , no RTE panel is complete without the inclusion of Roisin Shorthall


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Akrasia wrote: »
    How many Irish media organizations are pro union, pro democratic control of the workplace by the workers? Pro increasing taxation on the wealthy to fund better social services???

    Or do o you just define right/left in how they view treating minorities and immigrants?

    RTE are incredibly deferential to unions and especially public sector unions , they have union chiefs regularly on their panels , ive never seen this on the BBC or Sky News

    just because RTE dont play " The Internationale " instead of the Angelus before the news , doesnt mean they are not of the left


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Akrasia wrote: »
    The only reason I brought him up is because he is featured in this GRIPT website so his views need to be assessed in the context of Irish politics

    But he isn't far right in an Irish context either.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 35,074 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Billy Mays wrote: »

    On the touch site and with differing settings of posts per page on the desktop site, that link doesn't work

    I believe this is the post in question

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114263379&postcount=548

    © 1982 Sinclair Research Ltd



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,114 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    What of his views have you assessed that brings you to the conclusion that he is far right?

    The fact that he's featured on Gript would be a big hint.
    Not having multiple organisations that do the same thing getting funding and then rolling up to an umbrella organisation that gets more funding.

    Multiple organisations doing the same thing? You think that Access IT does the same thing as the Offaly Travellers movement? You think that Donegal Intercultural Forum does the same thing as the Transgender Equality Network of Ireland?

    Let's focus on reality please.
    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    come budget time when the various parties present their manifestos , RTE will adopt a concerned tone when talking to any party who appears to be lowering taxes as a priority over increased spending

    they are extremely deferential to the likes of Fr Peter McVerry who is forever calling for huge public spending and a post budget panel will never be minus some representative of a charity or public sector union , usually the nurses union who of course want more spending
    'Tone'? That's your best complaint - 'concerned tone' over certain speakers? It's not like you're being vague and hard to pin down, or anything?
    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    the Labour party ( until they faced their mass electoral cull ) used to be the party of RTE , the dogs in the street knew that , today they have gotten behind the Greens and even more so the Soc Dems , no RTE panel is complete without the inclusion of Roisin Shorthall
    Roisin wasn't on Katie Hannon's show today, so again, you're factually incorrect. No Green member either, from the segments I heard.
    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    RTE are incredibly deferential to unions and especially public sector unions , they have union chiefs regularly on their panels , ive never seen this on the BBC or Sky News

    just because RTE dont play " The Internationale " instead of the Angelus before the news , doesnt mean they are not of the left

    Union leaders never seen on BBC



    or Sky News



    A little paranoid, perhaps?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,143 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    JPCN1 wrote: »
    I see the readers of this far right threat to society and indeed civilisation have voted Peadar Tobin (60%) as their favourite party leader... Aontu being a party of the left.

    If Aontu are left wing then I'm Gay Byrne.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Akrasia wrote: »
    I’ve already answered this

    You haven't.

    You've described Jordan Peterson. You've mentioned a few of his views.

    Which ones are far right in your opinion?

    Is believing that biological sex defines whether you are a man or a woman "far right"?

    That's pretty much how he came into prominence


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The fact that he's featured on Gript would be a big hint.

    That makes no sense.

    What views does he hold which makes you mistakenly label him far right?

    When does right leaning become far right in your mind?

    Do you class antifa as far left?


  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭tDw6u1bj


    Having a read of this thread has given me the best laugh in a while, until I remembered that you all really believed this stuff and I'm trapped in the same country.
    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Gript only stands out as being right wing due to the near left wing monoculture of irish media
    I think I woke the neighbours laughing at that one.
    These media organisations that are owned by large corporations, or RTE who have their purse-strings controlled by whatever centre-right government happens to be in charge at the moment...are all somehow part of a left-wing monoculture? How do you think that works, that's gas.


  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭tDw6u1bj


    Do you class antifa as far left?

    OOOHHHHHH! The boogeyman!

    Quick! Hide under your bed!

    or is he hiding under your bed?

    I always get those mixed up...


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    tDw6u1bj wrote: »
    OOOHHHHHH! The boogeyman!

    Quick! Hide under your bed!

    or is he hiding under your bed?

    I always get those mixed up...

    Mature response.

    So I assume you don't class them as far left.

    You probably think they aren't even a group but a movement.

    It's ok.

    You don't need to answer


  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭tDw6u1bj


    Mature response.

    So I assume you don't class them as far left.

    You probably think they aren't even a group but a movement.

    It's ok.

    You don't need to answer

    I think you talking about AntiFa has nothing to do with them, it only speaks for your need for an enemy.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    tDw6u1bj wrote: »
    I think you talking about AntiFa has nothing to do with them, it only speaks for your need for an enemy.

    Well that just shows how wrong you are.

    If someone would accuse Jordan Peterson as being a far end of a political spectrum for his belief on transgenderism and not see antifa as being extremists, it would indicate their position being unreasonable and unintelligible.

    I can judge by your purile posts that you aren't here to debate or discuss but just to insult and speak your mind with no intention to further conversation.

    As you were.


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