ISME getting in bed with the far right

AndrewJRenko

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That makes no sense.

What views does he hold which makes you mistakenly label him far right?

When does right leaning become far right in your mind?

Do you class antifa as far left?

This thread is about Gript. Why do you keep trying to drag the conversation down other rabbit holes?

Did somebody touch a nerve?

Eric Cartman

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

This thread is about Gript. Why do you keep trying to drag the conversation down other rabbit holes?

Did somebody touch a nerve?

Its only fair to gauge. In a thread where ascertations have been made the gript are far right, the question about where those posters who insist on gript being far right gauge antifa , pbp etc.. theres no point in arguing with zealots.

Its the same as the test I have for people in real life, ill debate US politics with anyone who fancies it but if you cant concede that donald trump was not the worst president and barack obama was not the best and that there were good republican presidents then theres no point in debate

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

This thread is about Gript. Why do you keep trying to drag the conversation down other rabbit holes?

Did somebody touch a nerve?

Thankfully andrew, you've never touched me, or my nerves.

I am "dragging the conversation" down the Peterson rabbit hole because some bright spark used the fact that Peterson was featured as an example of how GRIPT are far right.

Any reasonable person would not consider Peterson to be far right and those that do, I am asking for their reasoning.

It all ties in together and is not a rabbit hole. But I suspect you know this already and are trying to shut down this avenue of conversation as you can't answer without admitting you can't define why you label Peterson, or indeed GRIPT, as far right without using circular logic (i.e Peterson is far right, proof of that is because he is in GRIPT, GRIPT is far right because it features Peterson)

Cal4567

Just a personal observation. I have read a few Gript columns. It's a social conservative view point that espouses the native state over anymore EU control for one example.

The Left here view it as far right because it has been critical of immigration policy. The groupthink now in Ireland is to be socially liberal rather than socially conservative. It used to be the other way around. Being critical of immigration policy is not part of this groupthink, neither is being anti abortion and those who go to mass are viewed with amusement.

From what I can see, it suits the groupthink to label the likes of Gript as such.

Reading a lot of their stuff just seems like common sense to me, but I wouldn't be wedded strongly to any political thought.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

This thread is about Gript. Why do you keep trying to drag the conversation down other rabbit holes?

Did somebody touch a nerve?

We still have zero evidence that it's far right.

Hhhhh

Hhhhh wrote: »

We still have zero evidence that it's far right.

It features Jordan Peterson. That's proof apparently.

Yellow_Fern

Deleted User wrote: »

It features Jordan Peterson. That's proof apparently.

RTE radio 1 interviewed Peterson so I guess the poster thinks are far right?

archfi

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I dont listen to LBC but Nick Ferrari seems to be on Matt Coopers show a few times per week and he comes across to be as fairly centrist , He certainly doesnt defend Borris Johnson too much

For sure, I've heard him skewer Tories *a lot* including causing some big problems for Johnson when he's been on his show but he is conservative and nothing wrong with that (I would be left-leaning, formerly a thick leftwing purist now in recovery )

Mad_maxx

Hangdogroad wrote: »

If Aontu are left wing then I'm Gay Byrne.

they are left wing economically , they are opposed to abortion but you can be opposed to abortion and left wing , my mother is conservative on social issues but very left wing on economic ones ( not PBP left but left all the same ) , she is a classic catholic in that sense , she left FF after more than fifty years and now votes Aontu

FF used to be very left wing economically but were very socially conservative , they are less left wing economically today but completely liberal socially , at least the leadership is

Mad_maxx

tDw6u1bj wrote: »

Having a read of this thread has given me the best laugh in a while, until I remembered that you all really believed this stuff and I'm trapped in the same country.


I think I woke the neighbours laughing at that one.
These media organisations that are owned by large corporations, or RTE who have their purse-strings controlled by whatever centre-right government happens to be in charge at the moment...are all somehow part of a left-wing monoculture? How do you think that works, that's gas.

RTE are unmistakably progressive left , they strike a perfect bourgeois socialist pose

if RTE was an individual politician , they would be the sitting president or the former president Mary Robinson

Mad_maxx

Cal4567 wrote: »

Just a personal observation. I have read a few Gript columns. It's a social conservative view point that espouses the native state over anymore EU control for one example.

The Left here view it as far right because it has been critical of immigration policy. The groupthink now in Ireland is to be socially liberal rather than socially conservative. It used to be the other way around. Being critical of immigration policy is not part of this groupthink, neither is being anti abortion and those who go to mass are viewed with amusement.

From what I can see, it suits the groupthink to label the likes of Gript as such.

Reading a lot of their stuff just seems like common sense to me, but I wouldn't be wedded strongly to any political thought.

much of the time GRIPT just express amusement that the media here completely refuse to discuss certain issue , beit immigration or the whole gender theory debate , as Gary Kavanagh of Gript says

" you would almost think that the whole trans debate was settled "

coolshannagh28

Hhhhh wrote: »

We still have zero evidence that it's far right.

Had a read through it there , it looks centre right to me slightly left of the Tory party in the UK.

joseywhales

Man this whole thread is categorization of left right up down and sideways. Why does it matter? Just pick ideas that you agree with, you don't have to be consistent to some made up social categories.

Tony EH

joseywhales wrote: »

Man this whole thread is categorization of left right up down and sideways. Why does it matter? Just pick ideas that you agree with, you don't have to be consistent to some made up social categories.

It matters to some because they need to strawman the "enemy" at every opportunity in order to try and bolster their own ideas. There's not a day that can go by without some posters whinging about far this and far that, when there's not even a far anything to cry about in this country.

It's absolutely feckin hilarious.

Yellow_Fern

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

RTE radio 1 interviewed Peterson so I guess the poster thinks are far right?

Sure so did channel 4. Who knew Jon 'I've never seen so many white people in one place' Snow was far-right!

So we've managed to figure out that GRIPT are not far right, and the people claiming they are, are the usual left wing scaremongers who brand everything they don't like as "hate-filled, dog whistling, racist, homophobic, transphobic, islamaphobic, homophobic, punching down, triggering, hate crimes?

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

So we've managed to figure out that GRIPT are not far right, and the people claiming they are, are the usual left wing scaremongers who brand everything they don't like as "hate-filled, dog whistling, racist, homophobic, transphobic, islamaphobic, homophobic, punching down, triggering, hate crimes?

Yes.

Hhhhh

Hhhhh wrote: »

Yes.

Excellent. Good job everyone.

AndrewJRenko

Hhhhh wrote: »

Sure so did channel 4. Who knew Jon 'I've never seen so many white people in one place' Snow was far-right!

See if you can work out the difference between a one-off interview, and the persistent day-to-day grifting by punching down on vulnerable people, while continually avoiding any deep analysis as to the root cause.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

See if you can work out the difference between a one-off interview, and the persistent day-to-day grifting by punching down on vulnerable people, while continually avoiding any deep analysis as to the root cause.

Punching down...grifting....

That's two off my lefty bingo card.

Mad_maxx

Mad_maxx wrote: »

they are left wing economically , they are opposed to abortion but you can be opposed to abortion and left wing , my mother is conservative on social issues but very left wing on economic ones ( not PBP left but left all the same ) , she is a classic catholic in that sense , she left FF after more than fifty years and now votes Aontu

FF used to be very left wing economically but were very socially conservative , they are less left wing economically today but completely liberal socially , at least the leadership is

Sure. The Labour Party in Ireland had anti abortion members. Probably in Britain too. I assume pre 1970-80 most of them were.

Not that I get the anti abortion message in modern alt right ideology. Seems limiting.

AndrewJRenko

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Punching down...grifting....

That's two off my lefty bingo card.

Haaaahaaaaahaaaa. Bingo.

"accuse Jordan Peterson as being a far end of a political spectrum for his belief on transgenderism and not see antifa as being extremists, it would indicate their position being unreasonable and unintelligible."



House!

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Haaaahaaaaahaaaa. Bingo.

"accuse Jordan Peterson as being a far end of a political spectrum for his belief on transgenderism and not see antifa as being extremists, it would indicate their position being unreasonable and unintelligible."



House!

Bingo, along with humour and critical thinking, doesn't seem to be your strong point.

So tell me Andrew, do you class antifa as far left?

AndrewJRenko

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Bingo, along with critical thinking, doesn't seem to be your strong point.

So tell me Andrew, do you class antifa as far left?

Please stop trying to drag the thread off topic.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Please stop trying to drag the thread off topic.

This is on topic Andrew. If you class GRIPT and peterson as far right, I'd like to know what you consider far left.

Your type love spectrums. In order to TRY to understand your reasoning, we need to know where you consider the extremes to be

Burt Renaults

Deleted User wrote: »

So we've managed to figure out that GRIPT are not far right, and the people claiming they are, are the usual left wing scaremongers who brand everything they don't like as "hate-filled, dog whistling, racist, homophobic, transphobic, islamaphobic, homophobic, punching down, triggering, hate crimes?

Of course you're going to figure that out. Bet it didn't take you long either. From where you're sitting, there's nothing "far" about it at all. Just like from where I'm sitting, there's nothing "far" about the policies of People Before Profit.

I don't really care much for calling Gript "far-right". It is what it is (fucking horrible mean-spirited click-bait, from what I've seen), and it's very easy to ignore. Also, given the calibre of those involved in it, it's unlikely to last very long. Just like the more extreme fringes of the left, there's inevitably going to be a falling-out and a split.

There's a lot to be said for Leo Sherlock's business model. Still quietly plugging away on his own, using a load of different names, pulling in the clicks from outraged liberals (actual liberals) on Twitter and outraged mams on Facebook. He'll still be making a modest living from his own Grift, long after McGuirk has abandoned his and moved on to his next ill-fated project.

Mad_maxx

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Haaaahaaaaahaaaa. Bingo.

"accuse Jordan Peterson as being a far end of a political spectrum for his belief on transgenderism and not see antifa as being extremists, it would indicate their position being unreasonable and unintelligible."



I'd wager JP is a lot closer to the average Irish voter on that subject than you are

TomTomTim

Burt Renaults wrote: »

Of course you're going to figure that out. Bet it didn't take you long either. From where you're sitting, there's nothing "far" about it at all. Just like from where I'm sitting, there's nothing "far" about the policies of People Before Profit.

I don't really care much for calling Gript "far-right". It is what it is (fucking horrible mean-spirited click-bait, from what I've seen), and it's very easy to ignore. Also, given the calibre of those involved in it, it's unlikely to last very long. Just like the more extreme fringes of the left, there's inevitably going to be a falling-out and a split.

There's a lot to be said for Leo Sherlock's business model. Still quietly plugging away on his own, using a load of different names, pulling in the clicks from outraged liberals (actual liberals) on Twitter and outraged mams on Facebook. He'll still be making a modest living from his own Grift, long after McGuirk has abandoned his and moved on to his next ill-fated project.

Ah, the everything is subjective card, that the left loves to use when things are going against them. It's like saying that Communism and Nazism can be viewed as moderate from the right angle, which of course is nonsense. They are both extreme based on measurable outcomes, you could even call it objectivity. This is one of the saddest things about the last few years; people who can't tell the difference between facts or opinions, objective or subjective, hard science or theory. We're truly going backwards when many struggle so greatly with the fundamentals.

Burt Renaults

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I'd wager JP is a lot closer to the average Irish voter on that subject than you are

I'd wager that the average Irish voter (a) doesn't have a clue who Jordan Peterson is, and (b) hasn't given trans people more than a brief moment's thought, one way or the other. The online obsession with the issue is baffling.

Fann Linn

Burt Renaults wrote: »

I'd wager that the average Irish voter (a) doesn't have a clue who Jordan Peterson is, and (b) hasn't given trans people more than a brief moment's thought, one way or the other. The online obsession with the issue is baffling.

Who is Jordan Peterson?