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ISME getting in bed with the far right

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    #62
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,510 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    JasonStatham wrote: »
    Ireland's fairly right wing. I don't know why anyone could be surprised about it.

    There are zero "far-right" TDs, as far as I know.

    There are several "far-left" TDs, I'd say 10-12??


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    #63
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    God help us if we ever do have a far right party in this country. There will have been so much crying wolf that nobody will pay any attention.

    If everyone is right or far right then nobody is. Just like the word racism is gone out the window as everything is now racist so now everything is far right or alt right. Or is alt right gone now i can't keep track.

    Everyone is a Nazi anyway.


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    #64
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    JasonStatham wrote: »
    Ireland's fairly right wing. I don't know why anyone could be surprised about it.

    Yes free healthcare, housing, high relative pensions, high taxes and a European social democratic welfare state that we all keep voting for. That really indicates a strong right in Ireland.


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    #65
    Geuze
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    JasonStatham wrote: »
    Ireland's fairly right wing. I don't know why anyone could be surprised about it.

    3.2 million people are recipients/beneficiaries of welfare payments in Ireland, out of 4.8m approx population.

    Does that sound like a low redistribution right-wing State?


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    #66
    paw patrol
    Registered Users Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    I like Gript a lot.

    Sure they have a slant but what media doesn't .

    What i particularly like about Gript they tackle stories ignored by the other media. In particular of interest to me is where tax money is spent.
    But they do other investigative stuff for example an article in 2020 was showing the political connections in ireland to the chinese CCCP machine.

    https://gript.ie/the-ireland-china-institute-and-the-irish-elites-admiration-for-totalitarian-china/

    i didn't see that type of thing in the indo probably cos their bosses are along for the ride.

    It's funny how people slag off media with a slant (ignoring that they all have some bias - like read the IT ffs - read any irish media coverage of Trump :rolleyes: and say it's not biased) it's that it's only for the political slant they dislike - the lack of perspective is shocking


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    #67
    biko
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    Funny, I never been on Gript website before. Looks interesting. Thanks OP for bringing it to our attention.


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    #68
    WrenBoy
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    Never hurts to get another angle/perspective on news stories no?


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    #69
    Mad_maxx
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    biko wrote: »
    Funny, I never been on Gript website before. Looks interesting. Thanks OP for bringing it to our attention.

    Check out " the right side " podcast with Gary Kavanagh and Michael Dwyer, two very sardonic characters but well informed, Kavanagh is Mcguirks second in command at Gript


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    #70
    Acosta
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    Wouldn't be too bothered about them. They're just a few angry lads with Ganley's money and a good dose of butthurt after the last couple of referendums.


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    #71
    CtevenSrowder
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    biko wrote: »
    Funny, I never been on Gript website before. Looks interesting. Thanks OP for bringing it to our attention.

    Likewise. Never heard of it before. Looks a first glance a bit too conservative for me but I might give it a go none the less.


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    #72
    VinLieger
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    Acosta wrote: »
    Wouldn't be too bothered about them. They're just a few angry lads with Ganley's money and a good dose of butthurt after the last couple of referendums.


    McGuirk is a fvcking hypocrite who claimed if Dublin Central got 75% yes for repealing the 8th he would never take a political job again and when it got 76.5% proceeded to start a politically directed news blog.


    Gript also have links to Cambridge Analytica and are funded by Youth Defense, Ganley et al yeah not extreme at all.....


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    #73
    Tell me how
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    paw patrol wrote: »
    I like Gript a lot.

    Sure they have a slant but what media doesn't .

    What i particularly like about Gript they tackle stories ignored by the other media. In particular of interest to me is where tax money is spent.
    But they do other investigative stuff for example an article in 2020 was showing the political connections in ireland to the chinese CCCP machine.

    https://gript.ie/the-ireland-china-institute-and-the-irish-elites-admiration-for-totalitarian-china/

    i didn't see that type of thing in the indo probably cos their bosses are along for the ride.

    It's funny how people slag off media with a slant (ignoring that they all have some bias - like read the IT ffs - read any irish media coverage of Trump :rolleyes: and say it's not biased) it's that it's only for the political slant they dislike - the lack of perspective is shocking

    :D:D:D

    This is brilliant.


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    #74
    statesaver
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    its excellent , kavanagh and Dwyer are very drol but quite insightful

    Aye, they work well together.


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    #75
    Mad_maxx
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    Acosta wrote: »
    Wouldn't be too bothered about them. They're just a few angry lads with Ganley's money and a good dose of butthurt after the last couple of referendums.

    McGuirk never sounds angry to me , smug and self satisfied for sure but never angry

    i follow him on Twitter , hes annoyingly cheerful even when sparring with his idealogical opposites


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    #76
    TomTomTim
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    McGuirk never sounds angry to me , smug and self satisfied for sure but never angry

    i follow him on Twitter , hes annoyingly cheerful even when sparring with his idealogical opposites

    Attributing emotion that isn't there is a very common tactic of these sorts. It's totally inline with their "everyone who opposes us is an angry white male" narrative.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    #77
    Acosta
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    McGuirk never sounds angry to me , smug and self satisfied for sure but never angry

    i follow him on Twitter , hes annoyingly cheerful even when sparring with his idealogical opposites

    He was fairly pissy at times during the repeal campaign, but I don't follow him, so I'll take your word for it. Given the choice I'd still have a pint with him over that Ben Scallan character.


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    #78
    Dyr
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    I found out about Gript because it was the only news source that revealed the 18 year old deeply trouble girl about to be released from prison who wanted to kill women was actually a bloke, even though the court documents were public.


    The layout of their website is chronic though


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    #79
    Geuze
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    Bambi wrote: »
    I found out about Gript because it was the only news source that revealed the 18 year old deeply trouble girl about to be released from prison who wanted to kill women was actually a bloke, even though the court documents were public.


    The layout of their website is chronic though

    I don't look at it often, but I did see that case, yes.

    I want to see, read and hear the truth.

    I find the IT no longer reports the truth.

    That unfortunate person is a man, and the media should report the truth.

    A lot of other stuff on the website I ignore.


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    #80
    Mad_maxx
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    Acosta wrote: »
    He was fairly pissy at times during the repeal campaign, but I don't follow him, so I'll take your word for it. Given the choice I'd still have a pint with him over that Ben Scallan character.

    ive never knowingly read anything by scallan or heard him on radio or tv, the name does ring a bell but thats all


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    #81
    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    To believe that a "far-right" party would have Edmund Burke as any part of their nomencluture really drives home the lack of historical context and hypersensitivity of the left.One can only assume that now Conor Cruise O'Brien has now morphed into a Gobbel's figure given his biography of Burke.


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    #82
    paw patrol
    Registered Users Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    Manach wrote: »
    To believe that a "far-right" party would have Edmund Burke as any part of their nomencluture really drives home the lack of historical context and hypersensitivity of the left.One can only assume that now Conor Cruise O'Brien has now morphed into a Gobbel's figure given his biography of Burke.



    :rolleyes: another boards poster who labels anybody they disagree with far-right.


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    #83
    Mike Murdock
    Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    It's incredible that people still think there is a massive Far-Right in this country to rail against. Gemma O'Doherty is getting less than 2% of any election she is part of. None of the National Party are getting that even. Nor are the Irish Freedom Party.

    Years ago one of the tabloids was making a big deal of some Far-Right group called the "Celtic Wolves" doing military training up in the mountains somewhere. As if 8 lads LARPing while drinking cans and burning the EU flag was a new Fascist army.


    Talk about tilting at Windmills


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    #84
    keano_afc
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    Mike Murdock wrote: »
    It's incredible that people still think there is a massive Far-Right in this country to rail against. Gemma O'Doherty is getting less than 2% of any election she is part of. None of the National Party are getting that even. Nor are the Irish Freedom Party.

    Years ago one of the tabloids was making a big deal of some Far-Right group called the "Celtic Wolves" doing military training up in the mountains somewhere. As if 8 lads LARPing while drinking cans and burning the EU flag was a new Fascist army.


    Talk about tilting at Windmills

    People dont think there is massive far-right presence in this country. The media do.


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    #85
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Mike Murdock wrote: »
    It's incredible that people still think there is a massive Far-Right in this country to rail against. Gemma O'Doherty is getting less than 2% of any election she is part of. None of the National Party are getting that even. Nor are the Irish Freedom Party.

    Years ago one of the tabloids was making a big deal of some Far-Right group called the "Celtic Wolves" doing military training up in the mountains somewhere. As if 8 lads LARPing while drinking cans and burning the EU flag was a new Fascist army.


    Talk about tilting at Windmills
    But the left and progressives (Irish mainstream media etc.) need this boogeyman in order to justify their existence, to push bills such as the "hate speech" legislation through the Dail, and to circumvent referendums that they do not agree with. The likes of Varadkar have also used this boogeyman in order to frighten voters into continuing to vote for Fine Gael; a political party who have time and again let down the contributing/working people in Ireland.


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    #86
    Salvation Tambourine
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    Kivaro wrote: »
    But the left and progressives (Irish mainstream media etc.) need this boogeyman in order to justify their existence, to push bills such as the "hate speech" legislation through the Dail, and to circumvent referendums that they do not agree with. The likes of Varadkar have also used this boogeyman in order to frighten voters into continuing to vote for Fine Gael; a political party who have time and again let down the contributing/working people in Ireland.

    Tweets like this are what you are talking about yeah? Stoking fires that are barely embers.

    https://twitter.com/powerian/status/1346946812566003713


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    #87
    paw patrol
    Registered Users Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    Nokotan wrote: »
    Tweets like this are what you are talking about yeah? Stoking fires that are barely embers.

    https://twitter.com/powerian/status/1346946812566003713


    I'm not on twitter but I am fascinated when links like this are shown
    the number of ideology driven gimps that inhabit twitter is mad,
    it's easy to laugh at them and their sh1te but they seem to have huge access to politics and media

    like never heard of this guy but here he is blue tick wanker
    with his state paid for NGO kingdom probably dictating policy more than my emails to my TD will ever.


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    #88
    Mike Murdock
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    JasonStatham wrote: »
    Ireland's fairly right wing. I don't know why anyone could be surprised about it.

    This is a wind-up, right?


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    #89
    ThunbergsAreGo
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    paw patrol wrote: »
    I'm not on twitter but I am fascinated when links like this are shown
    the number of ideology driven gimps that inhabit twitter where it's easy to laugh at them and their sh1te but they seem to have huge access to politics and media



    like never heard of this guy but here he is blue tick wanker

    with his state paid for NGO kingdom probably dictating policy more than my emails to my TD will ever.

    His tagline might as well read "takes money from the Government for doing very little, loves American politics, desperately wants a left/right divide in Ireland"


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    #90
    Mike Murdock
    Registered Users Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    His tagline might as well read "takes money from the Government for doing very little, loves American politics, desperately wants a left/right divide in Ireland"

    And the thing is, his two organisations are just two small pieces in a giant NGO Industry puzzle in this country.

    A puzzle that we, the taxpayer, are funding. At least partially anyway.


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    #91
    Beechwoodspark
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    I’ve no dog in the fight and only became aware of gript about 2 months ago

    Two points I’d make -

    They are certainly not “far right”. Yes they have an agenda which is more right wing but all media organizations have agendas. The Irish times for example is clearly very much left wing.

    Their articles are well written and informative and often present a viewpoint that is completely ignored by the likes of RTÉ the journal the Irish times etc


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