ISME getting in bed with the far right

TomTomTim

TomTomTim wrote: »

He's sympathetic to Christianity and calls the far left out for being the lunatics that they are. That alone is enough to get him labelled far right now days. You know all those videos/times where he called out extremism on both sides? That was him pushing far right politics according to great intellectuals of the left.

****, calling out extremists on both sides?

Bastard. I didn't know that. Denouncing far right extremism is obviously a dog whistle promoting far right extremism.

Literally Hitler.

[Deleted User]

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It is absolutely undeniably aimed for people on the right. That doesn't make it far right.

And do you complain that most media promotes left leaning topics?

Is it not good to have a balance?

If you could point out some factual inaccuracies in their articles you might have a point. But your main gripe seems to be that they are focussing on stories you don't want to hear, and as you tellingly said, it's not the content of an individual article that matters.

You don't like that they focus on things you disagree with, even if it's factually correct.

The thing is, McGuirk has a reputation of playing to any audience that works for himb which has is nuts in line with Justin Barrett at this stage. Truth or accuracy has been something he's never abided by. So trusting the guy responsible for pushing absolute lies during the repeal referendum in an editorial role of a publication with entirely unclear funding.(easy enough to guess though). He's free to have the publication but they're far from reputable and entirely pander to the far right and conspiracy theorists

Anyway, I'll leave you with the story of Noel Pattern which McGuirk "fact checked" at time.
https://www.broadsheet.ie/tag/noel-pattern/

TomTomTim

TomTomTim wrote: »

The far right, all throughout human histroy, have been known for their love of black intellectuals. Thank you for this comprehensive list, wise one.

Lol, he must have edited the list.

Anti anti racism?

Hilarious.

Billy Mays

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I'd need to see the full quote in context to decide but yeah, sounds grim

Did you read the quote in full context?

What do you think?

Akrasia

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It is absolutely undeniably aimed for people on the right. That doesn't make it far right.

And do you complain that most media is undeniably promotes left leaning topics?

Is it not good to have a balance?

If you could point out some factual inaccuracies in their articles you might have a point. But your main gripe seems to be that they are focussing on stories you don't want to hear, and as you tellingly said, it's not the content of an individual article that matters.

You don't like that they focus on things you disagree with, even if it's factually correct.

I disagree with any publication that gives a deliberately distorted view of the news

I completely disagree that ‘most media undeniably promotes left leaning topics’ and I think you only believe this because you have become entangled in a bubble of right wing content that repeats this false claim so often that you believe it

In the UK here are the main newspapers ranked by circulation

Metro - mixed
The Sun - defunct - right wing
Daily Mail - right wing
Evening Standard - right wing
Daily Mirror - left wing
The Times - right leaning
The Daily Telegraph - right wing
Daily Express - very right wing
Daily Star - left leaning
Financial Times mixed
The Guardian left wing

That’s print media, radio is hugely weighted in favour of the right, especially talk radio where there are token presenters who are left leaning, they devote vastly more time to giving platforms to very conservative opinions

What evidence do you have that media is undeniably left supporting?

Publications like GRIPT are steps on the road to radicalism. They pull people into an echo chamber

Akrasia

Akrasia wrote: »

I didn’t read the articles, why would I need to when the headlines are more than enough to give away the editorial position of the website.

It’s not the content of an individual article that matters, it’s the choice of what to focus on, and what not to focus on. They focus entirely on topics that appeal to people on the far right of the political spectrum. They talk about the cost of carbon tax but never talk about the impact of climate change, they talk about the cost of lockdown but do not talk about why there was a lockdown (hint, the global pandemic) (except when they want to blame China for spreading the virus of course)
They have whole sections about ‘why I left the left’

It’s clearly and unambiguously a publication aimed at promoting a right wing world view and they deliberately do not give a full picture as they will always bias their coverage by leaving out facts that do not promote this view

Promoting a right wing world view does not equate to being far right.

Akrasia

Akrasia wrote: »

Yes and he always was

He’s also a complete clown of a man in so many ways

Can we have examples of Peterson's far right views?

Yellow_Fern

Akrasia wrote: »

Never heard of GRIPT before so went to their page this morning

Anti immigration - check
Anti lockdown - check
Anti climate science - check
Anti feminist - check
Anti trans - check
Anti ‘dole scroungers- check
Anti abortion - check
Anti ‘socialism’ - check
Anti Anti racism - check
Anti charity - check
Anti - Horneless people (this is a wierd one ) - check
Pro Celtic mythology - (not a bad thing in itself but happens to be a dog whistle to the very far right)


Bonus points for having an article promoting Jordan Peterson in 2021
Fanboys of Thomas Sowell

It’s an Irish version of Breitbart and anyone who doesn’t see that is in denial

Gript is generally anti socialism and anti abortion bu ton all these other issues it is not anti. I have no idea where you got the idea it is anti homeless? The front page has an article mentioning the high death rates of homeless. https://gript.ie/median-age-of-death-for-homeless-people-is-43-for-women-its-33/ They have self-described feminists writing for them.

Akrasia

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Lol, he must have edited the list.

Anti anti racism?

Hilarious.

Anti anti racism means sneering at anything the civil rights and Black Lives Matter movement do while rarely if ever confronting the racism that caused it to emerge

Akrasia

Akrasia wrote: »

I disagree with any publication that gives a deliberately distorted view of the news

I completely disagree that ‘most media undeniably promotes left leaning topics’ and I think you only believe this because you have become entangled in a bubble of right wing content that repeats this false claim so often that you believe it

In the UK here are the main newspapers ranked by circulation

Metro - mixed
The Sun - defunct - right wing
Daily Mail - right wing
Evening Standard - right wing
Daily Mirror - left wing
The Times - right leaning
The Daily Telegraph - right wing
Daily Express - very right wing
Daily Star - left leaning
Financial Times mixed
The Guardian left wing

That’s print media, radio is hugely weighted in favour of the right, especially talk radio where there are token presenters who are left leaning, they devote vastly more time to giving platforms to very conservative opinions

What evidence do you have that media is undeniably left supporting?

Publications like GRIPT are steps on the road to radicalism. They pull people into an echo chamber

BBC, rte, itv, sky news, LBC etc.

I don't know what radio you listen to but i have a polar opposite opinion on the majority of topics discussed.

I think we are at crossed paths.

You seem to see the Right everywhere, whereas I see the left.

It could easily be confirmation bias on both our paths but to accuse GRIPT of being steps on the road to radicalisation is a little rich.

Akrasia

Akrasia wrote: »

Anti anti racism means sneering at anything the civil rights and Black Lives Matter movement do while rarely if ever confronting the racism that caused it to emerge

BLM are racist. So being opposed to them would just be anti racist.

Opposing racism doesn't mean you can't oppose BLM.

Billy Mays

Billy Mays wrote: »

Did you read the quote in full context?

What do you think?

Sorry Billy, tried to look but couldn't see it. I might have my pages formatted differently. Can you let me know the post number?

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sorry Billy, tried to look but couldn't see it. I might have my pages formatted differently. Can you let me know the post number?

It also not there for me.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

BBC, rte, itv, sky news, LBC etc.

I don't know what radio you listen to but i have a polar opposite opinion on the majority of topics discussed.

I think we are at crossed paths.

You seem to see the Right everywhere, whereas I see the left.

It could easily be confirmation bias on both our paths but to accuse GRIPT of being steps on the road to radicalisation is a little rich.

BBC get frequently accused of being right wing or left wing. They have given Boris's administration a largely light ride and Cummings was literally writing half their headlines last year.

LBC had a slot for both Katie Hopkins and Nigel Farage... Itv are on the smaller end of the spectrum and I can't really comment. Sky news tends to be left of center and they have no issues with giving time to anyone with extreme views..

In terms of rte, they tend to engage in a pretty level of striving for balance so they've given everyone from McGuirk to David Quinn to Jamie Bryson a platform. McGuirk likely won't be on again but that's literally because he made an entirely untrue statement on national TV that cost them a fortune.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

BBC get frequently accused of being right wing or left wing. They have given Boris's administration a largely light ride and Cummings was literally writing half their headlines last year.

LBC had a slot for both Katie Hopkins and Nigel Farage... Itv are on the smaller end of the spectrum and I can't really comment. Sky news tends to be left of center and they have no issues with giving time to anyone with extreme views..

In terms of rte, they tend to engage in a pretty level of striving for balance so they've given everyone from McGuirk to David Quinn to Jamie Bryson a platform. McGuirk likely won't be on again but that's literally because he made an entirely untrue statement on national TV that cost them a fortune.

LBC most certainly not left wing. It does have left wing hosts, but it has right wing hosts also. I would've labeled it more center right personally. Though truth be told I never listened to it regularly. The constant accusations of bias at the BBC are also strange. I've always found its programming to be pretty fair and unbiased. Rte has certainly been attempting to push a certain narrative of late, predominately that Ireland is a racist country, and certainly has a love in with traveller's, but again, broadly speaking, always found it quite fair.

All of this is irrelevant though, gript is not and has not yet shown to be far right.

Mad_maxx

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Also started pushing anti face masks nonsense during a global pandemic. So they very much so want to appeal to all fringe lunatics.

Kavanagh and Dwyer ( on the podcast) were advocating the wearing of masks before NPHET were

Billy Mays

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Sorry Billy, tried to look but couldn't see it. I might have my pages formatted differently. Can you let me know the post number?

It's there for me when I click on it

Here's the post on it's own

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114262073&postcount=513

Mad_maxx

Akrasia wrote: »

I didn’t read the articles, why would I need to when the headlines are more than enough to give away the editorial position of the website.

It’s not the content of an individual article that matters, it’s the choice of what to focus on, and what not to focus on. They focus entirely on topics that appeal to people on the far right of the political spectrum. They talk about the cost of carbon tax but never talk about the impact of climate change, they talk about the cost of lockdown but do not talk about why there was a lockdown (hint, the global pandemic) (except when they want to blame China for spreading the virus of course)
They have whole sections about ‘why I left the left’

It’s clearly and unambiguously a publication aimed at promoting a right wing world view and they deliberately do not give a full picture as they will always bias their coverage by leaving out facts that do not promote this view

"Promoting a right wing world view "

That's not what's being debated here , the charge is that Gript is " far right "

They are on the right , that's why many including myself support them

Mad_maxx

Akrasia wrote: »

Yes and he always was

He’s also a complete clown of a man in so many ways

Need more than your saying so I'm afraid, some evidence perhaps?

Billy Mays

Billy Mays wrote: »

It's there for me when I click on it

Here's the post on it's own

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114262073&postcount=513

Ha Jesus. Yeah, I don't support that line of thinking.

I'm staunchly opposed to illegal immigration but that kind of rhetoric is way beyond acceptable.

Mad_maxx

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Lol, he must have edited the list.

Anti anti racism?

Hilarious.

" anti racism " is just another word for communism, it's a rebranding of the 1930,s communist movements who often called themselves anti fascists

It's totalitarian language and nothing new

Hhhhh

Hhhhh wrote: »

LBC most certainly not left wing. It does have left wing hosts, but it has right wing hosts also. I would've labeled it more center right personally. Though truth be told I never listened to it regularly. The constant accusations of bias at the BBC are also strange. I've always found its programming to be pretty fair and unbiased. Rte has certainly been attempting to push a certain narrative of late, predominately that Ireland is a racist country, and certainly has a love in with traveller's, but again, broadly speaking, always found it quite fair.

All of this is irrelevant though, gript is not and has not yet shown to be far right.

Really? LBC I thought would have been majority left. I may be wrong. I know they have farrage on it but I thought he was the token right winger.

I'm open to correction as always.

I think the pushing of left ideals, especially on their site, has ruined the BBC.

But as you said, this isn't about that, it's about GRIPT being accused of being far right

Mad_maxx

Mad_maxx wrote: »

" anti racism " is just another word for communism, it's a rebranding of the 1930,s communist movements who often called themselves anti fascists

It's totalitarian language and nothing new

But they are against fascist people. They MUST be decent.

HBC08

Akrasia wrote: »

I disagree with any publication that gives a deliberately distorted view of the news

I completely disagree that ‘most media undeniably promotes left leaning topics’ and I think you only believe this because you have become entangled in a bubble of right wing content that repeats this false claim so often that you believe it

In the UK here are the main newspapers ranked by circulation

Metro - mixed
The Sun - defunct - right wing
Daily Mail - right wing
Evening Standard - right wing
Daily Mirror - left wing
The Times - right leaning
The Daily Telegraph - right wing
Daily Express - very right wing
Daily Star - left leaning
Financial Times mixed
The Guardian left wing

That’s print media, radio is hugely weighted in favour of the right, especially talk radio where there are token presenters who are left leaning, they devote vastly more time to giving platforms to very conservative opinions

What evidence do you have that media is undeniably left supporting?

Publications like GRIPT are steps on the road to radicalism. They pull people into an echo chamber

Thanks for posting a list of foreign newspapers.
Meanwhile back in this country the National broadcaster is unashamedly left wing.

Akrasia

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BBC, rte, itv, sky news, LBC etc.

I don't know what radio you listen to but i have a polar opposite opinion on the majority of topics discussed.

I think we are at crossed paths.

You seem to see the Right everywhere, whereas I see the left.

It could easily be confirmation bias on both our paths but to accuse GRIPT of being steps on the road to radicalisation is a little rich.

Apart from James O Brien there aren’t very many liberal left leaning presenters on LBC and James is balanced out by some really conservative voices like nick Ferarri, Nigel Farage and Ian Dale

The BBC hasn’t been ‘left leaning, since the last Labour government which is Gordon Browns parliament that ended 11 years ago
They certainly are not a left leaning news organization
RTE aren’t either, it’s just that the Overton window is so skewed to the right for anyone exposed to UK or US media, that centrist or factual reporting is deemed to be left wing

Akrasia

HBC08 wrote: »

Thanks for posting a list of foreign newspapers.
Meanwhile back in this country the National broadcaster is unashamedly left wing.

Unashamedly? Where is the editorial from RTEs director general that says ‘We are all proud to be left wing’

RTE claim to be balanced and report based on the facts as far as possible. They are legally obligated to be balanced as they are regulated by the BAI

ThunbergsAreGo

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Also started pushing anti face masks nonsense during a global pandemic. So they very much so want to appeal to all fringe lunatics.

This is not true

Though most of my Gript interactions is TRSI

Akrasia

Mad_maxx wrote: »

" anti racism " is just another word for communism, it's a rebranding of the 1930,s communist movements who often called themselves anti fascists

It's totalitarian language and nothing new

Well those 1930s anti fascists certainly were barking up the wrong tree.... are you seriously saying that there was no rising fascist threat in Europe in the 1930s?????

Akrasia

Akrasia wrote: »

Apart from James O Brien there aren’t very many liberal left leaning presenters on LBC and James is balanced out by some really conservative voices like nick Ferarri, Nigel Farage and Ian Dale

The BBC hasn’t been ‘left leaning, since the last Labour government which is Gordon Browns parliament that ended 11 years ago
They certainly are not a left leaning news organization
RTE aren’t either, it’s just that the Overton window is so skewed to the right for anyone exposed to UK or US media, that centrist or factual reporting is deemed to be left wing

I reject the notion that factual reporting is left seen as left wing.

The overton window is hardly skewed to the right.

Akrasia

Akrasia wrote: »

Well those 1930s anti fascists certainly were barking up the wrong tree.... are you seriously saying that there was no rising fascist threat in Europe in the 1930s?????

Just for clarity on my post responding to the one you quoted, I was referring to modern day antifa