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ISME getting in bed with the far right

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    #242
    Mad_maxx
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Anti anti racism means sneering at anything the civil rights and Black Lives Matter movement do while rarely if ever confronting the racism that caused it to emerge

    No ,it means not wholy subscribing without question to the slogan " anti racist " as its a loaded term which can cover anything the user wishes, " anti racist " to many who raise that banner, view criticism of any aspect of immigration policy to be " racist "


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    #243
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Never heard of GRIPT before so went to their page this morning

    Anti immigration - check
    Anti lockdown - check
    Anti climate science - check
    Anti feminist - check
    Anti trans - check
    Anti ‘dole scroungers- check
    Anti abortion - check
    Anti ‘socialism’ - check
    Anti Anti racism - check
    Anti charity - check
    Anti - Horneless people (this is a wierd one ) - check
    Pro Celtic mythology - (not a bad thing in itself but happens to be a dog whistle to the very far right)


    Bonus points for having an article promoting Jordan Peterson in 2021
    Fanboys of Thomas Sowell

    It’s an Irish version of Breitbart and anyone who doesn’t see that is in denial

    If I put a pro instead of anti there and find articles from rte or the Irish Times does that make them far left?

    Gript has some absolute drivel on it, it also does some good stuff


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    #244
    Mad_maxx
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Apart from James O Brien there aren’t very many liberal left leaning presenters on LBC and James is balanced out by some really conservative voices like nick Ferarri, Nigel Farage and Ian Dale

    The BBC hasn’t been ‘left leaning, since the last Labour government which is Gordon Browns parliament that ended 11 years ago
    They certainly are not a left leaning news organization
    RTE aren’t either, it’s just that the Overton window is so skewed to the right for anyone exposed to UK or US media, that centrist or factual reporting is deemed to be left wing

    You think RTE aren't left ? :eek:


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    #245
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Really? LBC I thought would have been majority left. I may be wrong. I know they have farrage on it but I thought he was the token right winger.

    I'm open to correction as always.

    I think the pushing of left ideals, especially on their site, has ruined the BBC.

    But as you said, this isn't about that, it's about GRIPT being accused of being far right
    No they've Nick Ferrari and a female presenter who struck me as being right leaning whose name escapes me.


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    #246
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Unashamedly? Where is the editorial from RTEs director general that says ‘We are all proud to be left wing’

    RTE claim to be balanced and report based on the facts as far as possible. They are legally obligated to be balanced as they are regulated by the BAI

    Are you going to give us examples as to why Gript and Jordan Peterson are far right?


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    #247
    ThunbergsAreGo
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    You think RTE aren't left ? :eek:

    Left vs right is a silly argument in Ireland, many people are left socially, right economically etc.

    I don't really think for the most part we "have sides"

    I think the media is definitely more Liberal than the average person on the street


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    #248
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Apart from James O Brien there aren’t very many liberal left leaning presenters on LBC and James is balanced out by some really conservative voices like nick Ferarri, Nigel Farage and Ian Dale

    The BBC hasn’t been ‘left leaning, since the last Labour government which is Gordon Browns parliament that ended 11 years ago
    They certainly are not a left leaning news organization
    RTE aren’t either, it’s just that the Overton window is so skewed to the right for anyone exposed to UK or US media, that centrist or factual reporting is deemed to be left wing

    The Overton window is mostly moving left, at least on the culture wars. It’s getting harder to express biological reality in many corporate enterprises.

    That said if you have the support of multinationals are you really left wing.


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    #249
    archfi
    Registered Users Posts: 5,416 ✭✭✭archfi


    There is a balancey thing going on at LBC
    Farage hasn't been there for over a year.
    Of the presenters/shows I know ( I don't know some of the newer one/two gig weekend presenters)
    Ferrari - rw
    Pierce - rw
    Dale - rw
    Swarbrick -rw
    Castle - rw
    Davidson - rw
    Fogarty - lw
    Mair - lw
    O'Brien - lw
    Lammy - lw
    Abbot - lw
    Frei - lw

    Edit - lw/rw doesn't really do justice to those presenters, some actually can present with some nuance and aren't totally ideological

    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



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    #250
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Rjd2 wrote: »
    We don't have far left presence in politics

    Me bollix

    There are actual Trotskyists in the Dail.

    © 1982 Sinclair Research Ltd



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    #251
    Mad_maxx
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Well those 1930s anti fascists certainly were barking up the wrong tree.... are you seriously saying that there was no rising fascist threat in Europe in the 1930s?????

    No but they were communists and being under the boot of stalin was no better than mussolini

    The point is " anti racism " is just a new version of old school marxist language, it seeks to force views absolutely, afterall who could oppose anti racism?


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    #252
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    Need more than your saying so I'm afraid, some evidence perhaps?

    Jordan Peterson blames ‘socialism’ and ‘neo-Marxism’ for practically everything that is wrong with society. He promotes conservative Christianity, and small government capitalism while still being anti abortion and anti divorce and very socially conservative when it comes to sexuality

    In the context of Irish politics, JP is to the far right, way further right than the likes of FG who are to the right of Irish politics


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    #253
    archfi
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    No but they were communists and being under the boot of stalin was no better than mussolini

    The point is " anti racism " is just a new version of old school marxist language, it seeks to force views absolutely, afterall who could oppose anti racism?
    ^This

    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



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    #254
    Akrasia
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    No but they were communists and being under the boot of stalin was no better than mussolini

    The point is " anti racism " is just a new version of old school marxist language, it seeks to force views absolutely, afterall who could oppose anti racism?
    They weren’t all communists, and all Marxism does not lead to totalitarian communism. The CCCP was a totalitarian version of communism, but most European anti fascists went on to found what are the modern social democracies in Europe today


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    #255
    Akrasia
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    archfi wrote: »
    ^This

    Racists oppose anti racism for a start, and then there are the people who never experienced racism so think it does not exist or is not a problem, so they see anti racism as some Trojan horse used to bring in ‘socialism’ or some other ideology


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    #256
    ThunbergsAreGo
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Racists oppose anti racism for a start, and then there are the people who never experienced racism so think it does not exist or is not a problem, so they see anti racism as some Trojan horse used to bring in ‘socialism’ or some other ideology

    What is anti racism practically?


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    #257
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Me bollix

    There are actual Trotskyists in the Dail.

    We have a small percentage of Trots in the Dail. They are present in Irish politics but in general, Irish politics leans social democratic with a fair bit of Christian democratic thrown in


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    #258
    archfi
    Registered Users Posts: 5,416 ✭✭✭archfi


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Racists oppose anti racism for a start, and then there are the people who never experienced racism so think it does not exist or is not a problem, so they see anti racism as some Trojan horse used to bring in ‘socialism’ or some other ideology
    Anti-racist Baby.
    Yeah.:rolleyes:

    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



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    #259
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,427 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    What is anti racism practically?

    Refusal to tolerate intolerance


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    #260
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 35,074 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    paw patrol wrote: »
    Not one Irish mainstream media ever looked at that.

    :rolleyes:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/irish-universities-and-china-walking-an-ethical-tightrope-1.4508882

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/ucc-to-abandon-joint-college-project-with-chinese-university-1.4500436

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/huawei-and-academic-freedom-1.4497325

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/ucc-academics-concerned-at-deepening-links-with-minzu-university-1.4418388

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/ucc-criticised-for-links-with-controversial-chinese-university-1.4392671

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/china-and-repression-of-human-rights-1.4313038

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/academic-freedom-is-under-pressure-in-irish-universities-1.4263886

    That's just in the last 12 months. Clearly you don't bother reading the media you love to criticise.

    © 1982 Sinclair Research Ltd



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    #261
    Akrasia
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    archfi wrote: »
    Anti-racist Baby.
    Yeah.:rolleyes:

    Case in point it seems


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    #262
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,334 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Burt Renaults wrote: »
    Peter Casey was whatever he felt would get himself the most votes from gullible people at any given time. He tapped into the fact that a lot of thick people hate all Travellers because of the behaviour of some Travellers. A snake oil salesman.

    Whether he can be considered far right or not, a snake oil salesman he definitely was.


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    #263
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    archfi wrote: »
    There is a balancey thing going on at LBC
    Farage hasn't been there for over a year.
    Of the presenters/shows I know ( I don't know some of the newer one/two gig weekend presenters)
    Ferrari - rw
    Pierce - rw
    Dale - rw
    Swarbrick -rw
    Castle - rw
    Davidson - rw
    Fogarty - lw
    Mair - lw
    O'Brien - lw
    Lammy - lw
    Abbot - lw
    Frei - lw

    Edit - lw/rw doesn't really do justice to those presenters, some actually can present with some nuance and aren't totally ideological

    That is news to me. Thanks for that. Will give them a listen.


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    #264
    ThunbergsAreGo
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Refusal to tolerate intolerance

    Thats really not an answer, that's a soundbite


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    #265
    archfi
    Registered Users Posts: 5,416 ✭✭✭archfi


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Case in point it seems
    Pardon - could you expand on that?
    'Anti-racism' is critical race theory, an awful ideology which is also about as racist and divisive as one can be and which offers zero solutions simply continuous conflict.

    It demands a lot from very gullible people.

    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



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    #266
    Mad_maxx
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Jordan Peterson blames ‘socialism’ and ‘neo-Marxism’ for practically everything that is wrong with society. He promotes conservative Christianity, and small government capitalism while still being anti abortion and anti divorce and very socially conservative when it comes to sexuality

    In the context of Irish politics, JP is to the far right, way further right than the likes of FG who are to the right of Irish politics

    None of that makes JP " far right "


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    #267
    Tony EH
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    They weren’t all communists, and all Marxism does not lead to totalitarian communism. The CCCP was a totalitarian version of communism, but most European anti fascists went on to found what are the modern social democracies in Europe today

    Don't waste your time. Anything to the left is "far" left to some on here.


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    #268
    Mad_maxx
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    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    What is anti racism practically?

    Whatever the progressive left decide


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    #269
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    Tony EH wrote: »
    Don't waste your time. Anything to the left is "far" left to some on here.

    The whole point of the topic is that people are labeling GRIPT far right despite no proof of it.


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    #270
    Akrasia
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    None of that makes JP " far right "

    It makes him far right in an Irish context, just not an extremist. Almost anyone in the US who considers them centrist is right wing by our standards, and anyone on the right of their center is far right

    I know JP is Canadian, but he is considered to the right in the context of US politics


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    #271
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,334 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Akrasia wrote: »
    It makes him far right in an Irish context, just not an extremist. Almost anyone in the US who considers them centrist is right wing by our standards, and anyone on the right of their center is far right

    I know JP is Canadian, but he is considered to the right in the context of US politics

    Peterson's politics definitely sits to the right. But I don't think he can be considered a far right commentator. What he is, though, is a showman that has made a mint with a gig that can have a certain appeal to those who would be on the far right.


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