Rockall : Marine Scotland Boards Irish Boat

malinheader

Deleted User wrote: »

If that's the case then we should raise that white flag asap.

Not at all. Lets as a country just back our fishermen for once.

statesaver

I thought Enda Kenny gave it to the British.

Fr Tod Umptious

riffmongous wrote: »

Cause it's not like we haven't had a well resourced English speaking country on our doorstep the entire time we've been in the EU

I take it you are referring to the UK.

It's a bit different.
The UK is one of the most prominent countries in the western hemisphere if not the whole world.
It is on a different level to Ireland which is a small sparsely pouulated island on the edge of Europe.
We compete on totally different world stages.

An independent Scotland on the other hand would be very like Ireland, small, sparsely pouulated and with little clout on an international stage.

A fledgling Scotland would be very happy to try something like cutting their corporation tax to undercut Ireland and attract away from Ireland that FDI that is so highly valued.

They speak English, they are well educated, they have good infrastructure.
Why wouldn't a company look there as an investment ?

rapul

Shhhh father!

ohnonotgmail

josip wrote: »

My understanding is that the trawler didn't have to vacate the waters



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55552455

Although I doubt there would be any threat of action, the Jura does have an "armament" characteristic on its wiki class page,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island-class_patrol_vessel

something that you won't find in any listing of the Northern Celt.

that is the original ship called Jura. the current Jura is not armed.

malinheader

Greencastle in Donegal now telling NI registered vessels that they cannot land their catch in greencastle.
The ground alot of the locals fish is in NI waters so boat has to be registered in NI.sfpa going to enforce it.

So it's tit for tat and it's the fishermen who will be the losers .

No point shouting about rockall when our crowd are as bad.

Scoondal

I hope EU tells UK that under UN international martime, UK cannot restrict EU boats fishing within 18kms of Rockall. This issue should be progressed quickly.

whisky_galore

josip wrote: »

Joking aside, I wonder how far the British and Irish are prepared to push this?
It would be surprising if provision hadn't already been made for Rockall in the agreements since Fishing is a fundamental area of discussion and Gibraltar is fairly important for the Spanish.

Irish govt don't give two hoots about our fisheries, after all we only eat fish on Fridays under duress.

joeysoap

I imagine the uk will revert to miles soon probably a 12 mile zone for fisheries though I see on another thread they are having problems with their paperwork and struggling to export fish to the Eu. Who’d have guessed? :rolleyes:

Hamsterchops

Rockon Rockall nae belongs to Eire but to Scotland the brave heart. The rock is theirs, as are the post Brexit fish who swim there laddie. They'll give us none they'll kick your bum, nay they'll throw neeps & tatties at our trawlers from their Scotland the brave patrol vessels.

Irn-Bru don't u noo...
It's their rock, it's UK waters.

ILoveYourVibes

statesaver wrote: »

I thought Enda Kenny gave it to the British.

No.


But the same people who put 350 million will go to the NHS on the side of a bus are spreading this online. Its not true.



In fact part of it is definitely under Irish jurisdiction.

a very extensive area under Irish jurisdiction, including part of the Rockall Trough and Plateau, is not disputed by the United Kingdom.

And we have claimed it

More recently, on 11 June 2003, the Irish Minister for Communications, Marine and Natural Resources gave a Written Parliamentary Answer, stating: "Ireland claims an extended continental shelf ... up to more than 500 nautical miles (926 km), particularly in the Hatton–Rockall area

Ireland does not recognise the UK's territorial claim to Rockall, "which would be the basis for a claim to a 12-mile territorial sea".

Further more its under dispute by 4 nations seriously Iceland Denmark Ireland and the UK.

The UN stance is martine laws cannot apply to rocks that are not life sustaining.

"Rocks which cannot sustain human habitation or economic life of their own shall have no exclusive economic zone or continental shelf."

The UN claims no one can own an islet and such an islet cannot have its own economic zone etc.

Thus ideally the 4 nations would have to come to an agreement amongst themselves.

But the UK BOARDING irish vessels is pure saber ratting and quite disgusting. Its going to get someone hurt at some stage. And they should know better.

There is oil and gas perhaps at stake ..but to be honest its probably going to cost more to get out then it will make. But the brits seem to have a habit of getting themselves into oil schemes just like that. UK oil companies love to go 'bankrupt' just like their coal industries if you know what i mean. Because they are bent.

Ireland does claim it.

In fact 4 countries claim it.

The brits are online spreading lies about it.

The UN says no one can own it.

Its NOTHING to do with fishing and everything to do with oil. So stopping a fishing vessel ......pure nasty.

IMO if they want to play that game #RockallBelongstoIreland

ILoveYourVibes

malinheader wrote: »

Not at all. Lets as a country just back our fishermen for once.

I totally agree.

100% we can't let the British keep boarding Irish vessels.

But its to do with oil and gas around the area. The British are just pushing weight around to see if they can get what they really want from us. Which is to let them have the oil and gas that the UN says they cannot have. But if denmark ireland iceland agreed ..they could have.

That is ALL this is about.

Don't give them an inch. They have a cheek.

Also if scotland want to join the EU ...we should block their membership until they stop this nonsense. And if the UK wish to rejoin the same.

I am just worried that many Irish people are going to fall for the old tories lies ..not knowing its BULL****.

Agree re Scotland readmission. If they want to make an issue out of it so be it.

Capt'n Midnight

Deleted User wrote: »

Malvinas and all that.

Big dog wins.

The UK got lots of US help. They handed over the Argentinian naval manual because they used to do joint exercises. They next-day air shipped anything the UK wanted to Ascension Island.

If the junta had waited a few months then the UK would have scrapped one of the carriers and delivered the one they had already sold to Australia. And the Vulcans maxed out their airframe hours.

It was very big gamble from the UK.

Especially since they had lost three Cod wars in a row with Iceland.

Capt'n Midnight

touts wrote: »

Don't our French partners have a couple of aircraft carriers.

And the Italians. And the Spanish.

Aegir wrote: »

If Ireland started the conflict, then most of Europe would be obliged to wade in behind the uk.

In that case we'd have to stand down.



We wouldn't be able to feed that many prisoners.

Capt'n Midnight

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The UN stance is martine laws cannot apply to rocks that are not life sustaining.

Winter wave breaking over the island of Rockall.
The wave's height over the steep West side may be estimated at 170 feet. ~ 50 meters.


Rockall is within Scotlands EEZ. But does not for a basis for extending it.
St Kilda is the habitable island that forms the basis for the EEZ.



On the other hand if Rockall was the basis for an EEZ then the UK government had already given it to Ireland as the per Ordinance Survey maps that assigned it to Donegal.

Capt'n Midnight

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Is it not much nearer to Scotland than Ireland? Why have we any right to claim it. If Irish fishermen are in their waters they have every right to sop it.

According to Article 3 of the 1954 FISHERIES CONVENTION which predates EU membership we can fish inside the 12 mile limit.pfd from dpa.ie

The Governments of Austria, Belgium, Denmark, the French Republic, the
Federal Republic of Germany, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the
Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Sweden and the United Kingdom of Great
Britain and Northern Ireland,

...
Within the belt between six and twelve miles measured from the baseline
of the territorial sea, the right to fish shall be exercised only by the coastal
State and by such other Contracting Parties, the fishing vessels of which
have habitually fished in that belt between 1st January, 1953 and 31st
December 1962.

We can count on the support of the navies of Austria and Luxembourg to back us to the hilt. :pac: