Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

Eod100

political analyst wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55771223



Why is the EU's vaccination rate slower than that of those countries? Why won't AstraZeneca give the exact reason for lower level of production?

Israel paid more to Pfzier directly to get more supply. UK approved vaccines ahead of EMA. Saudi Arabia could have well have paid for supply too. I think EU could have tried to source more and roll out has been slow but not exactly an exact same scenario in all these countries

DebDynamite

If you’re a single household and form a support bubble (I hate that word!) with another single household, would the Guards give you trouble for driving to their house, as it’s not an essential journey?

brick tamland

ginoginelli wrote: »

They are a shambles. Brazilian and South Africans are still being let into the country with no pcr tests and there is not even a legal requirement to test after 5 days. Just a pinkie promise that they will isolate of which a minuscule percent is followed up on.

A year on now and they cant even organize a pre and post test and some check up measures. These should be the basics.

Its compeletely unacceptale and grossly negligent.

If we try and enforce mandatory quarantine through the airports and ports, all this will lead to is the same people who are coming here for work or returning from wherever they were, coming through Belfast and commuting down.

What would you do. Fly into Dublin and stay in a hotel for two weeks or fly into Belfast instead?

Will all become pointless very quickly unless North do same (which DUP won't do)

titan18

brick tamland wrote: »

If we try and enforce mandatory quarantine through the airports and ports, all this will lead to is the same people who are coming here for work or returning from wherever they were, coming through Belfast and commuting down.

What would you do. Fly into Dublin and stay in a hotel for two weeks or fly into Belfast instead?

Will all become pointless very quickly unless North do same (which DUP won't do)

Done is better than perfect. Sure we won't stop it completely but it'll likely deter a lot and Belfast won't have the same connections that Dublin has so it's likely flying into UK airports or another hub airport and on to Belfast so cost will add up for people

is_that_so

Eod100 wrote: »

Israel paid more to Pfzier directly to get more supply. UK approved vaccines ahead of EMA. Saudi Arabia could have well have paid for supply too. I think EU could have tried to source more and roll out has been slow but not exactly an exact same scenario in all these countries

The general progress of all the leading contenders in the autumn suggested that they would be ready to go within roughly the same timeframe. It was a sensible move, therefore, for the EU to spread their purchases over a range of vaccines. Israel, apart from the paying over the odds, is a really a test subject for mass vaccinations of Pfizer.

What the EU could not have foreseen was Oxford and their data issues delaying approval, two of potentially the largest suppliers running into production issues at the same time and at a time of limited supplies and finally B.1.1.7 driven cases causing panic all over the EU. Perfect storm of sorts!

ginoginelli

brick tamland wrote: »

If we try and enforce mandatory quarantine through the airports and ports, all this will lead to is the same people who are coming here for work or returning from wherever they were, coming through Belfast and commuting down.

What would you do. Fly into Dublin and stay in a hotel for two weeks or fly into Belfast instead?

Will all become pointless very quickly unless North do same (which DUP won't do)

Me personally? I wouldnt be a callous **** and risk other peoples by not quaranting. I would happily do the two weeks knowing the country was protecting itself and its citizens.

Even if we dont have full co operation with the north we would still greatly reduce the amount of virus being reintroduced into the country.

political analyst

prunudo wrote: »

Well believe it, heard a story recently of a Dublin hospital where unions are vetoing whether certain applicants were given positions or not. Predominantly it was not.
Their hold on the hse and operation of hospitals needs to be investigated and brought to light.

Is there anything to corroborate that story?

coastwatch

DebDynamite wrote: »

If you’re a single household and form a support bubble (I hate that word!) with another single household, would the Guards give you trouble for driving to their house, as it’s not an essential journey?

I think you would be fine. You are allowed form a "support bubble", so if you meet a checkpoint, just explain you are travelling to your support.

redarmy

77 additional deaths confirmed.

1,910 new cases confirmed.

Be right back

Very high number of deaths. May they rest in peace.

Eod100

77 deaths, 1,910 cases. Good to see progress with cases. Sadly high deaths a consequence of very high cases a few weeks back. https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1353034600004673539?s=19

Jim_Hodge

coastwatch wrote: »

I think you would be fine. You are allowed form a "support bubble", so if you meet a checkpoint, just explain you are travelling to your support.

The support bubble is only for those needing essential care. It's no longer for two homes or two friends to meet up.

To support those who risk isolation, you can form a bubble with 1 other household (of any size) in certain situations.

Gael23

DebDynamite wrote: »

If you’re a single household and form a support bubble (I hate that word!) with another single household, would the Guards give you trouble for driving to their house, as it’s not an essential journey?

If you live alone you can form a support bubble with another household

is_that_so

Eod100 wrote: »

77 deaths, 1,910 cases. Good to see progress with cases. Sadly high deaths a consequence of very high cases a few weeks back. https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1353034600004673539?s=19

Excellent case numbers reduction but let's see a trend first...

KrustyUCC

Great to be under 2000 cases

Nice psychological boost

DebDynamite

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

The support bubble is only for those needing essential care. It's no longer for two homes or two friends to meet up.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/3516d-support-bubbles/#who-can-form-a-support-bubble

Where does it say that? Going by the information in the link above, you can form a support bubble if you live alone, so as not to risk social isolation. It doesn’t mention anything about essential care.

DrSpongeBobz

What are total deaths for January now?

Steve012

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Yeah but, did he die?

My Aunt in London was in ICU with it in April. 83 y old.. didn't kill her either. But she's on an oxygen machine at home now.

Stheno

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

The support bubble is only for those needing essential care. It's no longer for two homes or two friends to meet up.

Support bubbles are still allowed

The government has today agreed that Level 5 as set out in the Plan for Living with COVID-19 will apply nationally.

This will come into effect at midnight tonight, 30 December for all measures, with the exception of non-essential retail and gyms, leisure centres and swimming pools. These businesses should close from close of business on 31 December. Level 5 restrictions will remain in place until midnight on 31 January 2021.

The government has considered a number of factors in arriving at this decision, particularly NPHET concerns that the epidemiological profile of COVID-19 has continued to deteriorate very substantially.

It is recognised that this decision will have an impact on people’s lives and livelihoods, but the clear message is that we must all now stay at home, with the exception of essential purposes, in order to stop the spread of the virus. Supports such as the PUP and the CRSS will continue to be made available to those impacted. A double payment of the CRSS, up to a maximum of €5,000 a week will be available to those subject to restrictions this week and next week. Furthermore, businesses affected will be able to avail of commercial rates relief for the first three months of 2021. The Employment Wage Subsidy Scheme (EWSS) is also available to help maintain people in jobs, along with extensive tax warehousing arrangements, reduced VAT rates, the spend and stay scheme, a range of reduced cost loans, grants and voucher schemes.

The government further agreed that the ban on air travel and passenger travel on ferries from the UK will be extended to 6 January. As a similar new strain has been identified in South Africa, this ban will also apply to South Africa until 6 January.

Overview of restrictions

Family and social gatherings

no visitors are permitted in private homes/gardens (except for essential family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble)

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/066ce-ireland-placed-on-full-level-5-restrictions-of-the-plan-for-living-with-covid-19/#

is_that_so

DebDynamite wrote: »

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/3516d-support-bubbles/#who-can-form-a-support-bubble

Where does it say that? Going by the information in the link above, you can form a support bubble if you live alone, so as not to risk social isolation. It doesn’t mention anything about essential care.

Here. The bubble exists but not at present as it's generally described.

No visitors are permitted in private homes or gardens except for essential family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#your-guide-to-the-new-changes

DebDynamite

is_that_so wrote: »

Here




https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#your-guide-to-the-new-changes

Yeah, read the last part of your quote

MerlinSouthDub

Good to see our 14 day incidence down below 1000 per 100,000 people. It will fall below 900 tomorrow.

The progress we've made over the past 2 weeks is as good as we could possibly have hoped for. It's so sad that our cases went up to such high levels but we look to have it under control again. Things will look a lot better in 3 weeks time, we should have case numbers well below 1000 and hospital under much less pressure.

Stheno

is_that_so wrote: »

Here. The bubble exists but not at present as it's generally described.




https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#your-guide-to-the-new-changes

You've literally contradicted yourself with what you quoted.
Did you even read it?

DraftDodger

77 deaths. Absolutely relentless this thing.

R. I. P. to them all.

wadacrack

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Great to be under 2000 cases

Nice psychological boost

Strange thing to say when theirs 77 deaths tbh

Renjit

Avoidable deaths.

The support bubble is definitely still allowed, as it was before Christmas..... between friends or family members who are isolated, alone, vulnerable. It does not have to be to provide essential care. There is a difference.
My support bubble is with my daughter in Limerick. I live in Louth. She had a baby 7 weeks ago and she is struggling and very tired as the baby has severe reflux and she also has a 19 month old. I have travelled a few times to be with her since Christmas. Absolutely no problem at all with Garda checkpoints.

is_that_so

Stheno wrote: »

You've literally contradicted yourself with what you quoted.
Did you even read it?

Yep, I did and it's pretty clear there is an extra restriction on support bubbles.

iamwhoiam

is_that_so wrote: »

Here. The bubble exists but not at present as it's generally described.




https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#your-guide-to-the-new-changes

You can form a support bubble with another household if you:

are living alone with children under the age of 18
live alone
share parenting or custody arrangements
live with an adult you provide care for (for example a dependent adult relation or a partner with dementia)
live by yourself and have a carer or carers who support you, including a live-in carer

seamus

DrSpongeBobz wrote: »

What are total deaths for January now?

613 I think. Fairly grim. 22% of all deaths