Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

The support bubble is definitely still allowed, as it was before Christmas..... between friends or family members who are isolated, alone, vulnerable. It does not have to be to provide essential care. There is a difference.
My support bubble is with my daughter in Limerick. I live in Louth. She had a baby 7 weeks ago and she is struggling and very tired as the baby has severe reflux and she also has a 19 month old. I have travelled a few times to be with her since Christmas. Absolutely no problem at all with Garda checkpoints.

Not as it was allowed as a social activity. Your case is clearly essential care

iamwhoiam

is_that_so wrote: »

Not as it was allowed as a social activity. Your case is clearly essential care

You are allowed form a bubble if you live alone


You can form a support bubble with another household if you:

are living alone with children under the age of 18
live alone
share parenting or custody arrangements
live with an adult you provide care for (for example a dependent adult relation or a partner with dementia)
live by yourself and have a carer or carers who support you, including a live-in carer



It does not specify for what reason at all

is_that_so

iamwhoiam wrote: »

You can form a support bubble with another household if you:

are living alone with children under the age of 18
live alone
share parenting or custody arrangements
live with an adult you provide care for (for example a dependent adult relation or a partner with dementia)
live by yourself and have a carer or carers who support you, including a live-in carer

That's the support bubble definition. The updated main document from January 16 says essential care only. Hopefully it will return to its original form soon enough.

sonofenoch

Be right back wrote: »

Very high number of deaths. May they rest in peace.

Was always going to be the outcome down the line if your getting multiple thousand daily cases

DebDynamite

is_that_so wrote: »

Not as it was allowed as a social activity. Your case is clearly essential care

I posted the link re support bubbles on gov.ie where it gives the definition of a bubble, can you show me where it mentions essential care?

iamwhoiam

is_that_so wrote: »

That's the support bubble definition. The updated main document from January 16 says essential care only.

If her friend is lonely and needs to see others then it’s essential in my book

manofwisdom

wadacrack wrote: »

Strange thing to say when theirs 77 deaths tbh

The lower the cases the lower the deaths will be in a few weeks. The current high daily deaths is because we were getting on average 6,000 cases per day.

is_that_so

DebDynamite wrote: »

I posted the link re support bubbles on gov.ie where it gives the definition of a bubble, can you show me where it mentions essential care?

Here. Under Social and family gatherings. There's also a link there to the bubble support page.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#your-guide-to-the-new-changes

0gac3yjefb5sv7

iamwhoiam wrote: »

If her friend is lonely and needs to see others then it’s essential in my book

Exactly, that's the literal point of the support bubble.

is_that_so

iamwhoiam wrote: »

If her friend is lonely and needs to see others then it’s essential in my book

I have no issue with that but they did make the point of essential care.

Stheno

is_that_so wrote: »

Here.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#your-guide-to-the-new-changes

That still allows people living alone meet another person?

Turtwig

wadacrack wrote: »

Strange thing to say when theirs 77 deaths tbh

The deaths occurring now are unfortunately an inevitable result of the previous high case numbers. The deaths that occur two months from now are still to be determined. If we continue our good progress we can reduce these potential deaths even further through the reduction in cases. That is the positive we can focus on. Our cases are going in the right direction, our deaths and hospitalisations will slowly follow if we keep this rate of reduction going. So far so good.

At least now there is a chance our hospitals ICUs might cope. It'll be very fcking close.

iamwhoiam

is_that_so wrote: »

Here.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#your-guide-to-the-new-changes

It even mentions a support bubble in your link?
And a support bubble can be formed if you live alone .

polesheep

is_that_so wrote: »

Here. Under Social and family gatherings. There's also a link there to the bubble support page.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#your-guide-to-the-new-changes

It literally lists 'support bubble' as one of the essential reasons.

iamwhoiam

Stheno wrote: »

That still allows people living alone meet another person?

Yes it does



Social and family gatherings
In your home or garden

No visitors are permitted in private homes or gardens except for essential family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble.

iamwhoiam

is_that_so wrote: »

I have no issue with that but they did make the point of essential care.

Read your own link very carefully

wadacrack

Turtwig wrote: »

The deaths occurring now are unfortunately an inevitable result of the previous high case numbers. The deaths that occur two months from now are still to be determined. If we continue our good progress we can reduce these potential deaths even further through the reduction in cases. That is the positive we can focus on. Our cases are going in the right direction, our deaths and hospitalisations will slowly follow.

I think most realise that. To just ignore the deaths and focus on a phycological boost with a number under 2,000 shows a lack of empathy and perspective. This was all avoidable.

is_that_so

Stheno wrote: »

That still allows people living alone meet another person?

Yeah, I think it does, but with added extra conditions. I understood it to be in the context of no house visitors unless absolutely necessary.

polesheep

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Yes it does



Social and family gatherings
In your home or garden

No visitors are permitted in private homes or gardens except for essential family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble.

It's the same use of language that we saw with the green lists, designed to put people off.

DebDynamite

is_that_so wrote: »

Here. Under Social and family gatherings. There's also a link there to the bubble support page.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#your-guide-to-the-new-changes

On that link it says:

“Social and family gatherings
In your home or garden

No visitors are permitted in private homes or gardens except for essential family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble.”

If you click on “support bubble”, it brings you to the exact link I posted where it clearly says you can be in a support bubble if you or another household live alone. There is no mention of it only being for essential care.

Plumbthedepths

DebDynamite wrote: »

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/3516d-support-bubbles/#who-can-form-a-support-bubble

Where does it say that? Going by the information in the link above, you can form a support bubble if you live alone, so as not to risk social isolation. It doesn’t mention anything about essential care.

Just be honest with the Guards if stopped. Once you have a reasonable excuse their is no issue. Travelled from my home outside Roscommon to Limerick to my son stopped and asked the purpose of my trip by AGS told the reasons no issue went on my way.

DebDynamite

is_that_so wrote: »

I have no issue with that but they did make the point of essential care.

No they didn’t

coastwatch

is_that_so wrote: »

I have no issue with that but they did make the point of essential care.

As a single person household, the OP is allowed to visit their support bubble under the current (updated 16Jan21) restrictions.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#social-and-family-gatherings


"No visitors are permitted in private homes or gardens except for essential family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, or as part of a support bubble."

polesheep

wadacrack wrote: »

I think most realise that. To just ignore the deaths and focus on a phycological boost with a number under 2,000 shows a lack of empathy and perspective. This was all avoidable.

No, it simply shows an ability to deal with the different elements separately.

blowitupref

seamus wrote: »

I'd be more inclined to keep eyes on the prize short term. If the 7-day average next Saturday is around 3,000, then we're still on track.

7-day average of 2349 today which shows we are very much on track. What do you reckon the 7-day average will be this day week?

iamwhoiam

DebDynamite wrote: »

No they didn’t

Go ahead , it is allowed to form a bubble with anyone who lives alone . You may visit if you have formed a bubble
They allowed it as it was seen to be essential to avoid loneliness

niallo27

Cases are under 2k and people still can't be optimistic, this place is really soul destroying sometimes. People dieing in a global pandemic shock.

frank8211

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Young people are not impacted, that's why they were able to open up all the schools at the end of last year.

and see how the cases started to rise the minute they were opened!

wadacrack

niallo27 wrote: »

Cases are under 2k and people still can't be optimistic, this place is really soul destroying sometimes. People dieing in a global pandemic shock.

Its not about being optimistic or pessimistic, showing a decent level of emotional intelligence in a pandemic would help alot of posters here.

Eod100

wadacrack wrote: »

I think most realise that. To just ignore the deaths and focus on a phycological boost with a number under 2,000 shows a lack of empathy and perspective. This was all avoidable.

I don't think anyone is ignoring the deaths tbf. Any loss of life to this virus is awful and 77 is very high. I can understand people seeking a glimmer of hope from the cases declining. I don't think people should be made guilty for that. This has been a terrible time. Obviously anyone who has been sick with this or lost family or friends experienced the worst of it. Nobody is ignoring that.