Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

patnor1011

Beasty wrote: »

And are people prepared to pay more for that "stuff"?

The world is too globalised to roll back the supply chains that have developed without significant additional cost (which could well outweigh the financial costs of the pandemic).

Then of course the poor in China get even poorer. The wet markets then possibly harbour more of this kind of thing. And like it or not, some will continue to seek products at minimal cost, ultimately much of it emanating from China.

We need to work through solutions that look to keep changes in the way the world operates to a minimum, certainly in the short term. Any major changes are likely to result in unexpected consequences. It's taken decades to build the global economy, and would probably take longer to dismantle it.

The global economy can be dismantled in the blink of an eye. It is being dismantled right now. How long will the world accept money which is printed nonstop and not backed by anything?
We are so used and dependant on cheap stuff that our own farmers have a problem selling their produce because someone somewhere makes it and brings it here cheaper. Change people demand is coming but it will be a painful and a long one. And after a while there will be new China or other countries will fill their shoes producing cheap stuff using cheap labor.

A lot of things sound nice but are just a dream. I lived through one of such dreams in a socialist country for 29 years. Socialism and communism were no paradise I can assure everyone and who does not believe they can try it on their own. I am not interested. The only thing which worked better was healthcare though. We had no waiting lists for anything. If you needed to see a consultant or specialist you got to see him in a day or two. Vaccines were state-sponsored and developed. They were mandatory but nobody questioned them because they were thoroughly tested and working.

peasant

niallo27 wrote: »

Do you have brother and sisters, you lost your mother and you had no contact with any of your family. Each to their own I suppose, if you lived 5km down the road would you have gone to the funeral.

You come on here espousing common decency but you don't have enough of it to spare me your line of questioning after what just told you?

You're absolutely right about this situation bringing out disgusting traits in people.

That's me out of this thread for tonight, thanks

niallo27

peasant wrote: »

A new low, is it?

Let me ask you a question then:

Would you pass though two airports, take a two hour flight in a tube full of strangers and then hug an 80 year old close relative who's just evaded cancer and had several lengthy operations?

Would you?

Or would you try and minimise the risk and just fly to the funeral but keep your distance and keep two meters away at all times, denying them their hug?

Would you do that?

Or ... let's make it really personal..

That 80 year old close relative is my father, the person being buried was my mother and I didn't go to her funeral.

Should I have gone to that funeral to be less "disgusting" in your eyes?

Hmm?

Feck off ..will ya..

Oh and I don't want any sympathy, I'm sure there are plenty people here who had to make similar decisions and are equally insulted by your judgment.

Just think about it ...that'll do.

So let me get this clear, you think my wife is a selfish idiot for hugging her sister after their mother who they spoke to every day for 40 years died. Think about that will you.

Jasna1982

Jasna1982 wrote: »

Do you just tell gardai you’re going to your support bubble? Or do you need to declare them somewhere and have proof?

I spend a night or two with my elderly father every week. During the last lockdowns I had no issue with the Gardai but was wondering recently how it would go this time around. I actually haven't met a checkpoint on the way home this time around. If they want to ring my dad to verify my reason then that's no problem.

We are all very tired. Almost a year in.

peasant

niallo27 wrote: »

So let me get this clear, you think my wife is a selfish idiot for hugging her sister after their mother who they spoke to every day for 40 years died. Think about that will you.

No, I don't think that.
I'm sure she made her own risk assessment.

But that's the whole point ...there has to be a risk assessment.
Covid has to be taken into account whether we like it or not...and there is nothing "disgusting" about people doing so and coming up with an assessment that goes against pre-covid conventions.

patnor1011

peasant wrote: »

A new low, is it?

Let me ask you a question then:

Would you pass though two airports, take a two hour flight in a tube full of strangers and then hug an 80 year old close relative who's just evaded cancer and had several lengthy operations?

Would you?

Or would you try and minimise the risk and just fly to the funeral but keep your distance and keep two meters away at all times, denying them their hug?

Would you do that?

Or ... let's make it really personal..

That 80 year old close relative is my father, the person being buried was my mother and I didn't go to her funeral.

Should I have gone to that funeral to be less "disgusting" in your eyes?

Hmm?

Feck off ..will ya..

Oh and I don't want any sympathy, I'm sure there are plenty people here who had to make similar decisions and are equally insulted by your judgment.

Just think about it ...that'll do.

Just because you decided to do what you did do not give you any right to call people who do it differently all the names in under the sun. Like you did.
It is your decision and you will live with it.
They will do their own decisions and they will live with it too.

niallo27

peasant wrote: »

No, I don't think that.
I'm sure she made her own risk assessment.

But that's the whole point ...there has to be a risk assessment.
Covid has to be taken into account whether we like it or not...and there is nothing "disgusting" about people doing so and coming up with an assessment that goes against pre-covid conventions.

Thats fair enough, i was replying to posts calling people like my wife idiots. That's what I called disgusting.

Turtwig

Can we all just agree that the large crowd gathering at wakes with no social distancing, no masks, active shaking of hands and hugs that kicked this whole thing off into the really personal context sensitive examples is idiotic and irresponsible?

That should, I hope, be a common ground for everyone.

niallo27

Turtwig wrote: »

Can we all just agree that the large crowd gathering at wakes with no social distancing, no masks, active shaking of hands and hugs that kicked this whole thing off into really personal context sensitive examples is idiotic and irresponsible?

That should, I hope, be a common ground for everyone.

Yes totally.

froog

covid loves funerals.

Indestructable

This lockdown and the situation we find ourselves in is clearly really getting to everyone in different and horrible ways. Tonights posts are showing this quite obviously.

mandrake04

Deleted User wrote: »

Some people here really are gorging on too much RTÉ and too many NPHET briefings. This board isn’t for me any more.

Bye everyone. Good luck

I don’t know about RTE of NPHET but its basic commonsense to limit personal contact in the midst of a sick society in a world pandemic.

You are either part of the solution or part of the problem...it’s not hard to see which one.

I live alone (with the cat whose name was called out on radio today!) and am normally very independent, resourceful, tolerant, imaginative and hopeful. Haven't spoken to a friend/relation face to face in a couple of months. However I'm finding myself entering despair the past day or two, very depressed and despondent and without interest in anything in life. No doubt, this is temporarily and I remind myself of this fact. It only remains for me to take some interest in the science of what's happening if I can muster enough interest to do that.

DebDynamite

Yeah, come on guys, there’s a big difference between siblings hugging each other at the funeral of a parent, and half the parish going to a wake and then back to the pub for tea and sandwiches with handshakes all around.

mandrake04

mandrake04 wrote: »

I don’t know about RTE of NPHET but its basic commonsense to limit personal contact in the midst of a sick society in a world pandemic.

You are either part of the solution or part of the problem...it’s not hard to see which one.

What do we do that pushes us in to being part of the problem? Or part of the solution? Where are those lines drawn and who draws them?

Am I part of the problem for not getting my shopping delivered or am I part of the solution for not not travelling beyond 5k for non essential reasons?

Psychedelic Hedgehog

Deleted User wrote: »

Am I part of the problem for not getting my shopping delivered or am I part of the solution for not not travelling beyond 5k for non essential reasons?

Personally I'm fit and well, therefore I will not get shopping delivered and go myself, so that others who aren't so fortunate can take advantage of the delivery slot I would have otherwise used.

There's common sense to be used here - for example, I'll go to Tesco which is just about on my 5k compared to my local Supervalu within 2k, just because there is more space within the Tesco store and they have a system to count people in and out to avoid overcrowding.

patnor1011

Deleted User wrote: »

What do we do that pushes us in to being part of the problem? Or part of the solution? Where are those lines drawn and who draws them?

Am I part of the problem for not getting my shopping delivered or am I part of the solution for not not travelling beyond 5k for non essential reasons?

There is no clear line it is all blurred and changes pretty much daily. I can assure you that there is probably no person living who did not break covid rule or few at some stage in the last 10 months.
It gets even more complicated as it is believed that this virus was in circulation for way longer. Now even that mystery USA vape illness with number of people ending up on ventilators - some cases of it are now being attributed to covid.

Psychedelic Hedgehog

Psychedelic Hedgehog wrote: »

Personally I'm fit and well, therefore I will not get shopping delivered and go myself, so that others who aren't so fortunate can take advantage of the delivery slot I would have otherwise used.

There's common sense to be used here - for example, I'll go to Tesco which is just about on my 5k compared to my local Supervalu within 2k, just because there is more space within the Tesco store and they have a system to count people in and out to avoid overcrowding.

My nearest SuperValu in Churchtown is a great shop in normal times, is an outstanding local employer with a high volume of staff and no doubt minimal profit to the owner, and ordinarily I say hooray to that; but in pandemic I try to shop a bit more in the relatively empty Tesco in Dundrum.

mandrake04

Deleted User wrote: »

What do we do that pushes us in to being part of the problem? Or part of the solution? Where are those lines drawn and who draws them?

Am I part of the problem for not getting my shopping delivered or am I part of the solution for not not travelling beyond 5k for non essential reasons?

Well like I said commonsense, having personal contact and giving a virus like SARS2 to your loved ones is not commonsense. (I know is sh!t but thats the hand you been dealt). For most people giving a virus to a loved ones is a problem.

Going to the shops and taking all the precautions is low risk, it’s not that there’s no risk but it’s very low providing everyone follows the guidelines...this not a problem.

People following the guidelines = Not a huge problem (low risk)
People not following guidelines = potential Problem (huge risk)

I understand a lot of people flout the guidelines now and again, but it’s the flouting that has led to the current situation.

Stateofyou

patnor1011 wrote: »

Now even that mystery USA vape illness with number of people ending up on ventilators - some cases of it are now being attributed to covid.

Have you got a link for that? I was traveling in the US at that time, and I remember it being attributed to black market cartridges and some vitamin additive. As far as I remember it wasn't an unsolved mystery...

Stateofyou

niallo27 wrote: »

Do you have brother and sisters, you lost your mother and you had no contact with any of your family. Each to their own I suppose, if you lived 5km down the road would you have gone to the funeral. No I wouldn't hug an elderly relative, the original poster mentioned siblings not elderly relatives.

That poster lost their mother. It's one of the most horrible things in life one can go through, pandemic times aside. Made me sick reading this reply.

Purple Mountain

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I live alone (with the cat whose name was called out on radio today!) and am normally very independent, resourceful, tolerant, imaginative and hopeful. Haven't spoken to a friend/relation face to face in a couple of months. However I'm finding myself entering despair the past day or two, very depressed and despondent and without interest in anything in life. No doubt, this is temporarily and I remind myself of this fact. It only remains for me to take some interest in the science of what's happening if I can muster enough interest to do that.

Was your cat called out after the dove?

opinionated3

Deleted User wrote: »

I live alone (with the cat whose name was called out on radio today!) and am normally very independent, resourceful, tolerant, imaginative and hopeful. Haven't spoken to a friend/relation face to face in a couple of months. However I'm finding myself entering despair the past day or two, very depressed and despondent and without interest in anything in life. No doubt, this is temporarily and I remind myself of this fact. It only remains for me to take some interest in the science of what's happening if I can muster enough interest to do that.

I find myself having quite a few of those "despair"days in the last two weeks for some reason. My way out of it is to tell myself that there's always someone out there worse off than you, so basically "man up". I've no idea if that's the right or wrong way to escape but I have to say any optimism of us getting out of this pandemic anytime this year is disappearing by the hour. And those thoughts lead to further anxiety e.g how long will my job survive etc.

mcgragger

Here is where I am at now.
Like many others im about to crack .
I've done the right thing from day 1 of this crisis and I've just about had it. Every day I see the thousands of cases and I ****ing fume. Where are all these cases coming from. We've been in lock down for a month nearly. Why am I staying at home doing the right thing yet clearly thousands aren't. Some of my friends haven't paid a blind bit of notice to the virus and I've been their most vocal critics but I'm about to join them now I can't take this much more . The news is getting worse and not better . I'm close to throwing in the towel here

Arghus

mcgragger wrote: »

Here is where I am at now.
Like many others im about to crack .
I've done the right thing from day 1 of this crisis and I've just about had it. Every day I see the thousands of cases and I ****ing fume. Where are all these cases coming from. We've been in lock down for a month nearly. Why am I staying at home doing the right thing yet clearly thousands aren't. Some of my friends haven't paid a blind bit of notice to the virus and I've been their most vocal critics but I'm about to join them now I can't take this much more . The news is getting worse and not better . I'm close to throwing in the towel here

Things will get better. The numbers are still high, but dramatically lower than what they were even last week. I tend to look at the glass half empty, but even I must admit that progress is being made.

Most people out there are doing the right thing and sticking with obeying the rules, otherwise the numbers wouldn't be falling.

NIMAN

mcgragger wrote: »

Here is where I am at now.
Like many others im about to crack .
I've done the right thing from day 1 of this crisis and I've just about had it. Every day I see the thousands of cases and I ****ing fume. Where are all these cases coming from. We've been in lock down for a month nearly. Why am I staying at home doing the right thing yet clearly thousands aren't. Some of my friends haven't paid a blind bit of notice to the virus and I've been their most vocal critics but I'm about to join them now I can't take this much more . The news is getting worse and not better . I'm close to throwing in the towel here

You have to remember that the majority of the population is doing the right thing and haven't caught the virus.

Although the numbers are high, they are still a fraction of the population.

Purple Mountain

NIMAN wrote: »

You have to remember that the majority of the population is doing the right thing and haven't caught the virus.

Although the numbers are high, they are still a fraction of the population.

That's the thought that keeps me going too when I get so fed up and despondent.

opinionated3

opinionated3 wrote: »

I find myself having quite a few of those "despair"days in the last two weeks for some reason. My way out of it is to tell myself that there's always someone out there worse off than you, so basically "man up". I've no idea if that's the right or wrong way to escape but I have to say any optimism of us getting out of this pandemic anytime this year is disappearing by the hour. And those thoughts lead to further anxiety e.g how long will my job survive etc.

I have done that strategy very successfully right up to yesterday. I think this feeling is very natural, they say don't battle with it. I find occasionally with episodes like this it's actually better to "wallow" in it for a few days or so. It's like nature forcing you to hibernate as a defence mechanism and some people think it's got to get "cured". I think I'll go with it, that has worked in the past even if it seems like giving in. Trying to defeat it can too I've over the edge, because it's like you are failing in a battle of morale and self-appreciation. One is not, it's like any "sickness behaviour", curl up and and ride it out.

runawaybishop

Stateofyou wrote: »

Have you got a link for that? I was traveling in the US at that time, and I remember it being attributed to black market cartridges and some vitamin additive. As far as I remember it wasn't an unsolved mystery...

There was no mystery, it was drugs. Some young fellow had a massive operation making cannabis vape juice that caused a huge amount of respiratory problems.