Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

BredonWimsey

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Did I say they weren’t sick? I questioned the claim Lambert made as to how they contracted the virus.

dude i was just asking - i wasnt sure so i asked-i was not being sarcastic

BredonWimsey

Stheno wrote: »

I think the point is that patients may not have been entirely truthful about social contacts

i see. i'm just jumping in here. i've been late to the partay

WoollyRedHat

DOCARCH wrote: »

Really was not sure where that post was going when I started to read it!

The sequel to the Rick Moranis cult 80s hit ' Honey, I ate the parents',

petes

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Jack lambert has just been on the radio and mentioned that he has patients in hospital who are "very low risk", doing nothing wrong. He said he has patients he believes got he virus when food was delivered to their homes and believes the virus is now more transmissible via surfaces than it has been.

Shouldn't be allowed near the airwaves.

mohawk

niallo27 wrote: »

And it's generally true, the people still in full-time employment have no problem in shutting down the economy at the expense of other peoples jobs. The idea of we are all in this together is simply not true.

I noticed that trend too. I am very lucky to be able to work from home in an industry that is Covid proof. However it’s not that many years ago that I was desperately struggling trying to get by to support myself and my child. Many people in my community are not as lucky. I have spent many sleepless nights wide awake because of the stress and worry of not being financially secure. I can’t forget those days and I can’t forget that there are thousands of people out there struggling to get by. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

No matter what happens in life it’s always the poor that carry the biggest burden. Everything hits the poor harder.

Elessar

mohawk wrote: »

I noticed that trend too. I am very lucky to be able to work from home in an industry that is Covid proof. However it’s not that many years ago that I was desperately struggling trying to get by to support myself and my child. Many people in my community are not as lucky. I have spent many sleepless nights wide awake because of the stress and worry of not being financially secure. I can’t forget those days and I can’t forget that there are thousands of people out there struggling to get by. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

No matter what happens in life it’s always the poor that carry the biggest burden. Everything hits the poor harder.

Put government officials and NPHET on a reduced "solidarity" wage like they did in New Zealand and watch how much quicker restrictions get lifted.

Of course that wouldn't happen here in a million years.

wadacrack

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Sorry but Lambert is repeating what his patients told him . He has no evidence to suggest the virus is more transmissible via surfaces and it’s frankly very f**king irresponsible of him to suggest so.

Lambert is very inconsistent on his views with the virus.


"Christmas is going to have a huge amount of socialising in the country... it's going to happen in home settings, as of course it should. We want it to happen in the 7,000 pubs across the country which will provide safe, controlled environments for people to socialise."


https://www.newstalk.com/news/we-should-absolutely-not-delay-christmas-because-of-covid-19-jack-lambert-1104484

BredonWimsey

mohawk wrote: »

I noticed that trend too. I am very lucky to be able to work from home in an industry that is Covid proof. However it’s not that many years ago that I was desperately struggling trying to get by to support myself and my child. Many people in my community are not as lucky. I have spent many sleepless nights wide awake because of the stress and worry of not being financially secure. I can’t forget those days and I can’t forget that there are thousands of people out there struggling to get by. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

No matter what happens in life it’s always the poor that carry the biggest burden. Everything hits the poor harder.

i can only speak from my experience but my circle of friends and family that i know the majority work from home and definitely do not want to be on lockdown. we all follow restrictions to the T but definitely not happy to be on lockdown. anyone happy to be on lockdown needs their head examined lol because they were obviously not happy to be in society in the first place.

Bananaleaf

DOCARCH wrote: »

Really was not sure where that post was going when I started to read it!

You should really work on your reading speed so :pac:

CIARAN_BOYLE

BredonWimsey wrote: »

i can only speak from my experience but my circle of friends and family that i know the majority work from home and definitely do not want to be on lockdown. we all follow restrictions to the T but definitely not happy to be on lockdown. anyone happy to be on lockdown needs their head examined lol because they were obviously not happy to be in society in the first place.

No one wants a lockdown. No one likes lockdown. It is however a lot easier to accept the lockdowns as being important for the common good when you are not financially impacted.

Everyone thinks about their abilitiy to feed themselves and their family and provide shelter before they consider the societal good.

Personally I still work, I don't have a wife or kids and my parents are both high risk individuals (my mother over 65 with a high risk condition and my father just under 65 with multiple high risk conditions). My father is waiting for elective procedures that have an impact on his quality of life.

So for me my situation gives me a tendancy is to be pro lockdown and restrictions. Someone else would say I'm out of work and the bank is threatening to take my house and its hard to feed the kids. I want my job back. If your parents get covid and die or the hospital is stressed enough that their comorbidities kill them and they can't be treated who cares. I need to feed my kids.

What I mean is that everyone thinks their opinion is right and justified but most are giving into the stress put on them personally and thinking about what fits their situation.

BredonWimsey

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

No one wants a lockdown. No one likes lockdown. It is however a lot easier to accept the lockdowns as being important for the common good when you are not financially impacted.

Everyone thinks about their abilitiy to feed themselves and their family and provide shelter before they consider the societal good.

Personally I still work, I don't have a wife or kids and my parents are both high risk individuals (my mother over 65 with a high risk condition and my father just under 65 with multiple high risk conditions). My father is waiting for elective procedures that have an impact on his quality of life.

So for me my situation gives me a tendancy is to be pro lockdown and restrictions. Someone else would say I'm out of work and the bank is threatening to take my house and its hard to feed the kids. I want my job back. If your parents get covid and die or the hospital is stressed enough that their comorbidities kill them and they can't be treated who cares. I need to feed my kids.

What I mean is that everyone thinks their opinion is right and justified but most are giving into the stress put on them personally and thinking about what fits their situation.

I hear you.

niallo27

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

No one wants a lockdown. No one likes lockdown. It is however a lot easier to accept the lockdowns as being important for the common good when you are not financially impacted.

Everyone thinks about their abilitiy to feed themselves and their family and provide shelter before they consider the societal good.

Personally I still work, I don't have a wife or kids and my parents are both high risk individuals (my mother over 65 with a high risk condition and my father just under 65 with multiple high risk conditions). My father is waiting for elective procedures that have an impact on his quality of life.

So for me my situation gives me a tendancy is to be pro lockdown and restrictions. Someone else would say I'm out of work and the bank is threatening to take my house and its hard to feed the kids. I want my job back. If your parents get covid and die or the hospital is stressed enough that their comorbidities kill them and they can't be treated who cares. I need to feed my kids.

What I mean is that everyone thinks their opinion is right and justified but most are giving into the stress put on them personally and thinking about what fits their situation.

Why would you word it like that, that people just want their jobs back and don't care who dies. Your proving the exact point we are making about how we are not in this together.

Cody montana

Beyond sick of this now.

This is not living.

cameramonkey

Cases in Israel plummeting.

cameramonkey

Cody montana wrote: »

Beyond sick of this now.

This is not living.

Ask all those who have had relatives die of covid if this is living or not?

BredonWimsey

Cody montana wrote: »

Beyond sick of this now.

This is not living.

We will get through this. and when its over - we will LIVE and appreciate life more than we ever have and will never take anything for granted again.



For now, take it day by day and:


- Watch loads of travel vloggers on youtube. Thats what I am doing - so I am planning lots of great adventures for myself when I can travel again.


- A walk does wonders although I admit it could be days and I forget to get fresh air. When I do I feel massively better.


- And cooking - cook loads of good food- makes you feel good too.


- and Books - you can travel to a million different worlds from the comfort of your own home.


- writing helps.

- and MUSIC - seriously a good song is just the best medicine.

BredonWimsey

cameramonkey wrote: »

Ask all those who have had relatives die of covid if this is living or not?

EMPATHY - you have no idea what this poster is dealing with. STOP raging against each other please.

Cody montana

cameramonkey wrote: »

Ask all those who have had relatives die of covid if this is living or not?

Wft are you on about?

CIARAN_BOYLE

cameramonkey wrote: »

Cases in Israel plummeting.

Between their lockdown and the proportion of the population vaccinated this had to happen. Thankfully it is.

Dr. Bre

Cody montana wrote: »

Beyond sick of this now.

This is not living.

Surviving isn’t living

bb1234567

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Between their lockdown and the proportion of the population vaccinated this had to happen. Thankfully it is.

I thought that vaccine didn't stop people testing positive/contracting the virus though, just stopped any severe symptoms? So you might expect deaths to drop in that manner in Israel but why has this happened with cases in israel?

jackboy

cameramonkey wrote: »

Cases in Israel plummeting.

That’s a lovely looking trend. Almost like exponential shrinkage.

wadacrack

cameramonkey wrote: »

Cases in Israel plummeting.

Should give alot of us hope here. Bring in mandatory quarantine, drive cases low and vaccinate the vulnerable as quickly as possible and we should be in a very good position.

funnydoggy

jackboy wrote: »

That’s a lovely looking trend. Almost like exponential shrinkage.

How did you kn.. never mind:o

Widdensushi

cameramonkey wrote: »

Cases in Israel plummeting.

It would be interesting to see Irelands numbers on that graph

Renjit

mohawk wrote: »

I noticed that trend too. I am very lucky to be able to work from home in an industry that is Covid proof. However it’s not that many years ago that I was desperately struggling trying to get by to support myself and my child. Many people in my community are not as lucky. I have spent many sleepless nights wide awake because of the stress and worry of not being financially secure. I can’t forget those days and I can’t forget that there are thousands of people out there struggling to get by. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

No matter what happens in life it’s always the poor that carry the biggest burden. Everything hits the poor harder.

That's why we need good social welfare system. Those who are not privileged by birth would benefit.

CIARAN_BOYLE

bb1234567 wrote: »

I thought that vaccine didn't stop people testing positive/contracting the virus though, just stopped any severe symptoms? So you might expect deaths to drop in that manner in Israel but why has this happened with cases in israel?

2 things.

1. It stops symptoms rather than severe symptoms so there is probably a chunk of asymptomatic cases being missed in Israel at the moment.
2. The trial for the vaccine didn't include whether the vaccine impacted your ability to pass on the virus. Data from Israel is suggesting that a person vaccinated with a single shot (10 days after vaccination) is somewhere between (off the top of my head) 38 and 53% less likely to transmit the virus than someone unvaccinated. They have enough people vaccinated by now for this to have a noticeable effect.

Renjit

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Surviving isn’t living

Sometimes that's what you do when you live in a society and owe social responsibility.

MerlinSouthDub

Widdensushi wrote: »

It would be interesting to see Irelands numbers on that graph

There you go. Falling faster than anywhere else at the moment, even Israel.

BredonWimsey

Renjit wrote: »

Sometimes that's what you do when you live in a society and owe social responsibility.

there is definitely a social responsibility but there is also an individual burden. so if someone is expressing a hardship with their individual burden I think a good way to deal with that situation is to say I am sorry you are dealing with that rather than saying something along the lines of well thats the way it is.