Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

FishOnABike

growleaves wrote: »

Lol

^^Please give this critical consideration

The young people who have been hospitalised with covid comprise only a tiny fraction of overall young people. Most are asymptomatic and not hospitalised.

Superabbit's phrasing was unfortunate, since that's probably what he meant to say.

That's something to consider, but having read part of the report I'm not reassured.

Only 18% of the people in the report had been hospitalised yet, "In a young, low-risk population with ongoing symptoms, almost 70% of individuals have impairment in one or more organs four months after initial symptoms of SARS-CoV-2 infection. ”

If we take 60% to 80% being asymptomatic we are still talking of 70% of between 20% and 40% i.e. somewhere between 14% and 28% of people we would consider low risk from CoViD-19 effects, still suffering organ impairment months after contracting it. That's not insignificant and not odds I'd be happy to play with.

KrustyUCC

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I thought GAA had learned their lesson with celebrations large gatherings etc.,

A lot of that is just speculation

The GAA didn't even allow the cups into the dressing rooms after the matches

The teams were at pains to say people should behave and celebrate responsibly

We had a poster here who blamed the spike in Cork on winning a final which didn't happen

Limerick cases in particular have a lot to do with people returning home in December for Christmas, many of whom are living in the UK for the majority of the year

Some of those antics were videod and on social media on Christmas day

giveitholly

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I thought GAA had learned their lesson with celebrations large gatherings etc.,

The GAA had no large gatherings for celebrations but sure just blame them for the sake of it

FishOnABike

FishOnABike wrote: »

That's something to consider, but having read part of the report I'm not reassured.

Only 18% of the people in the report had been hospitalised yet, "In a young, low-risk population with ongoing symptoms, almost 70% of individuals have impairment in one or more organs four months after initial symptoms of SARS-CoV-2 infection. ”

If we take 60% to 80% being asymptomatic we are still talking of 70% of between 20% and 40% i.e. somewhere between 14% and 28% of people we would consider low risk from CoViD-19 effects, still suffering organ impairment months after contracting it. That's not insignificant and not odds I'd be happy to play with.

the estimation of the % of asymptomatic cases has been downgraded to as low as 20% of cases

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03141-3#:~:text=Research%20early%20in%20the%20pandemic,asymptomatic%20presentation%20to%20be%2017%25.

Research early in the pandemic suggested that the rate of asymptomatic infections could be as high as 81%. But a meta-analysis published last month1, which included 13 studies involving 21,708 people, calculated the rate of asymptomatic presentation to be 17%. The analysis defined asymptomatic people as those who showed none of the key COVID-19 symptoms during the entire follow-up period, and the authors included only studies that followed participants for at least seven days. Evidence suggests that most people develop symptoms in 7–13 days, says lead author Oyungerel Byambasuren, a biomedical researcher at the Institute for Evidence-Based Healthcare at Bond University in Gold Coast, Australia.

ShyMets

agoodpunt wrote: »

If you like a drink this disastrous what about smoking?

Surprisingly some studies have suggested smokers are less susceptible Covid

Sweet.Science

giveitholly wrote: »

The GAA had no large gatherings for celebrations but sure just blame them for the sake of it

Need someone to blame . I wonder who got the blame during other pandemics

Cluedo Monopoly

spookwoman wrote: »

It's in plain black and white print

Under the existing Level 5 restrictions people are only able to travel within 5km of their home to exercise.

Nothing confusing about that

You can travel beyond 5km for the following reasons:

• travel to and from work, where work involves providing an essential service
• to attend medical appointments and collect medicines and other health products
• travel to attend disability day services
• travel to attend a court
• for vital family reasons, such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, and in particular for those who live alone, but excluding social family visits
• for food shopping
• for farming purposes (food production or care of animals)
• to attend a wedding or funeral
• to visit a grave

Renjit

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You should have known I was only joking, who ever heard of a unicorn talking. ;-)

Scotland sure has it national animal :pac:

Renjit

ShyMets wrote: »

Surprisingly some studies have suggested smokers are less susceptible Covid

Tar competes with the virus

Plumbthedepths

Steve F wrote: »

Not for the fainthearted this one.
Dr John laying it out about our plight....if we haven't already grasped the situation we are now in
https://youtu.be/toojPNAPsbs

Dr John, the nurse? Can you remind me what is his doctorate in?

Solar2021

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Dr John, the nurse? Can you remind me what is his doctorate in?

What are your medical qualifications?

khalessi

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Dr John, the nurse? Can you remind me what is his doctorate in?

How rude. He has more knowledge in his little finger than you ever will

Happydays2020

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Dr John, the nurse? Can you remind what is his doctorate in?

He has a source on Southern Ireland. Must be some one in Cork.

To be fair our case number have quickly moved to being off the charts. I don’t know when the excess swabs will flush through the system but things will get worse before they get better.

We are likely to be in this lockdown until mid Feb - we have handled it before and will handle it again.

Tpcl20

KrustyUCC wrote: »

A lot of that is just speculation

The GAA didn't even allow the cups into the dressing rooms after the matches

The teams were at pains to say people should behave and celebrate responsibly

We had a poster here who blamed the spike in Cork on winning a final which didn't happen

Limerick cases in particular have a lot to do with people returning home in December for Christmas, many of whom are living in the UK for the majority of the year

Some of those antics were videod and on social media on Christmas day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiYGGceUwRs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huf_g--VEVo

It's gone very quiet in here tonight, is something happening?

Plumbthedepths

Solar2021 wrote: »

What are your medical qualifications?

I’m not making claims as to how bad things will get or how good.

Mike3549

eggy81 wrote: »

Facebook intel msd gsk and a hape more.

Nope, they are not trillion dollar companies. Their turnover is over 1T allright, but they're not worth over 1T.
BUT THEY ARE ESSENTIAL

Daisy000 wrote:

Well how about sitting for 12h with 400 others on manufacturing floor 36h per week in the middle of the pandemic? I think to keep schools opened is more important than non essential manufacturing...

mike3549 wrote:

Tell me which manufacturing co employs more than 400 in one shift, without Social Distancing, or masks?

Endintheclowns

Steve F wrote: »

Not for the fainthearted this one.
Dr John laying it out about our plight....if we haven't already grasped the situation we are now in
https://youtu.be/toojPNAPsbs

Jesus now that is grim.

TonyMaloney

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I’m not making claims as to how bad things will get or how good.

Are you suggesting things might get good?

Plumbthedepths

khalessi wrote: »

How rude. He has more knowledge in his little finger than you ever will

I’m asking what’s his doctorate in as I know he is not a doctor of medicine. How that is rude is beyond me.
Do you always make assumptions about strangers on the internet?

Endintheclowns

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I’m asking what’s his doctorate in as I know he is not a doctor of medicine. How that is rude is beyond me.
Do you always make assumptions about about strangers on the internet?

He's been fairly bang on from day one about this. I remember listening to his early videos last January warning people about what was coming whilst Luke O'Neill laughed and told us not to worry on RTE TV.

Steve F

Endintheclowns wrote: »

Jesus now that is grim.

Very.
This is definitely going to be the worst of the Pandemic.
Wish I could jump in a Time Machine and whizz ahead to May or June...I feel the worst will be behind us then

tom1ie

Steve F wrote: »

Not for the fainthearted this one.
Dr John laying it out about our plight....if we haven't already grasped the situation we are now in
https://youtu.be/toojPNAPsbs

Pretty grim alright.
Plenty on here will tell you there’s nothing to worry about and we shouldn’t be locking down though.

Steve F

tom1ie wrote: »

Pretty grim alright.
Plenty on here will tell you there’s nothing to worry about and we shouldn’t be locking down though.

Christ...how is there any denying this now?

GreeBo

seamus wrote: »

Oh I agree, no need for it at all.

The criteria are fairly clear tbh, but you're not wrong that we should be careful about assuming anything about these numbers.

The one thing we do know is that it's a selection of the infected. So if the swabs numbers drop, it logically follows that the actual number of infected is dropping too.

The problem is that it's left to the patient to decide that they are sick enough to get a test (or to contact their doctor), but we already know that peoples perceptions are allover the place. ( We had one poster going to A&E because they had the squirts)

Drumpot

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I’m asking what’s his doctorate in as I know he is not a doctor of medicine. How that is rude is beyond me.
Do you always make assumptions about about strangers on the internet?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115813400&postcount=9292

Above is a link to a Q&A he did recently with another extremely reliable source called medcram (which is for mecical students in USA).

Here’s his qualifications:

John Campbell, RN, BSc, MSc, PGC.Pharm, PhD is a health educator and analyst that has spent over three decades teaching students in the United Kingdom, Asia, Africa, and online with an extensive video library. Dr. Campbell also has also published textbooks on Physiology and Pathophysiology.

Here’s the qualifications of the person he did that Q&A with who said they really respect what he is doing In trying to educate people about the virus:

Roger Seheult, MD is the co-founder and lead professor at https://www.medcram.com
He is an Associate Professor at the University of California, Riverside School of Medicine and Assistant Prof. at Loma Linda University School of Medicine
Dr. Seheult is Quadruple Board Certified: Internal Medicine, Pulmonary Disease, Critical Care, and Sleep Medicine

The reason people might get snippy with you is because many of us have found him a excellent source to follow since January. He’s more reliable then any news media in this country, he leaves links to his sources and he corrects mistakes he makes which is more then can be said for most media sources.

Also, some people have tried to put him down for some reason getting very hung up on him using the name “doctor”. I’d argue he knows a lot more about the disease then most doctors and using that title if anything is doing his knowledge a disservice. You need only look at his catalogue of videos to see all the different specialists and doctors he’s spoken with around the world. If you watch you might learn a few things.

Plumbthedepths

giveitholly wrote: »

The GAA had no large gatherings for celebrations but sure just blame them for the sake of it

There was a large gathering in Limerick and they have been known to use hurls but not on the pitch.

Crocodile Booze

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I’m asking what’s his doctorate in as I know he is not a doctor of medicine. How that is rude is beyond me.
Do you always make assumptions about strangers on the internet?

If the cap fits etc etc...

growleaves

tom1ie wrote: »

Pretty grim alright.
Plenty on here will tell you there’s nothing to worry about and we shouldn’t be locking down though.

Someone last week someone here was saying "We should act as if we were frightened." That's something I refuse to do.

The creation of an atmosphere of terror, the mandatory cowardice, anxiety, worry, reactivity etc., etc. has to be kept at a high fever pitch or people wouldn't go along with being disemployed, barred from trading, and imprisoned in their own homes.

Meanwhile is isn't clear that locking down makes a big difference or by how much. If we knew what caused the spread we could perhaps micro-target some restrictions and get on with things. We don't - our theories of causality are dreams - so we just shutter everything except when we decide to make unprincipled exceptions for schools, social housing.

Grim indeed.

Steve F

Drumpot wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115813400&postcount=9292

Above is a link to a Q&A he did recently with another extremely reliable source called medcram (which is for mecical students in USA).

Here’s his qualifications:

John Campbell, RN, BSc, MSc, PGC.Pharm, PhD is a health educator and analyst that has spent over three decades teaching students in the United Kingdom, Asia, Africa, and online with an extensive video library. Dr. Campbell also has also published textbooks on Physiology and Pathophysiology.

Here’s the qualifications of the person he did that Q&A with who said they really respect what he is doing In trying to educate people about the virus:

Roger Seheult, MD is the co-founder and lead professor at https://www.medcram.com
He is an Associate Professor at the University of California, Riverside School of Medicine and Assistant Prof. at Loma Linda University School of Medicine
Dr. Seheult is Quadruple Board Certified: Internal Medicine, Pulmonary Disease, Critical Care, and Sleep Medicine

The reason people might get snippy with you is because many of us have found him a excellent source to follow since January. He’s more reliable then any news media in this country, he leaves links to his sources and he corrects mistakes he makes which is more then can be said for most media sources.

Also, some people have tried to put him down for some reason getting very hung up on him using the name “doctor”. I’d argue he knows a lot more about the disease then most doctors and using that title if anything is doing his knowledge a disservice. You need only look at his catalogue of videos to see all the different specialists and doctors he’s spoken with around the world. If you watch you might learn a few things.

He knows what's he's talking about definitely.
That's why this video about what Ireland is facing has scared the Crap outta me.
Denial is a wonderful escape

Drumpot

Steve F wrote: »

He knows what's he's talking about definitely.
That's why this video about what Ireland is facing has scared the Crap outta me.
Denial is a wonderful escape

He seldom talks about Ireland and if he does it’s usually very brief. This was very surprising, he’s called most things right over the last 11 months!