News Media Spin

Bambi

Bambi wrote: »

I see google have now removed the Parler app from the play store, obviously very confident their monopoly being secure with the Democrats being in power.

I'm amazed they ever allowed it on the platform. It's a platform thats primary purpose is disseminating hate speech. The platforms already don't allow anything that could be associated with adult content so pretty logical that they wouldn't associate with a hate platform.

Dempo1

American news Networks just awful, PBS and NPR do a decent job of offering objectivity.

Irish News Networks seem quite neutral but astonishing lazy. Just in reference to their coverage of the Pandemic, it was a disgrace to see both RTE and especially Virgin Media F*** off a few days before Christmas, RTE had a skeleton staff on and Virgin media just gave up with no main evening bulletin for two weeks.

Irish newspapers seem neutral enough apart from devouring constant government leakage.

Dyr

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm amazed they ever allowed it on the platform. It's a platform thats primary purpose is disseminating hate speech. The platforms already don't allow anything that could be associated with adult content so pretty logical that they wouldn't associate with a hate platform.

I see more deranged hate speech and support for violence on twitter that went unchecked than I have in my limited experience with Parler.


Hate speech= I don't like these opinions, as per usual.

Dyr

Dempo1 wrote: »

American news Networks just awful, PBS and NPR do a decent job of offering objectivity.

Irish News Networks seem quite neutral but astonishing lazy. Just in reference to their coverage of the Pandemic, it was a disgrace to see both RTE and especially Virgin Media F*** off a few days before Christmas, RTE had a skeleton staff on and Virgin media just gave up with no main evening bulletin for two weeks.

Irish newspapers seem neutral enough apart from devouring constant government leakage.

The problem is that American media and American culture now dominates Europe.

Silentcorner

Bambi wrote: »

I see more deranged hate speech and support for violence on twitter that went unchecked than I have in my limited experience with Parler.


Hate speech= I don't like these opinions, as per usual.

Don't waste your energy they can't see it!!

I see the "Walkaway" movement which I have to admit, had an influence on me, which was essentially a completely organic movement of former Democrat supporters posting videos and their opinions on why they are walking away from the Democrat Party has been removed by Facebook this week.

There wasn't a hint of anything remotely violent or subversive about these people, it was people from all walks of life, all races, all ages who were articulating their reasons why they walking away from the Democrats.

Indeed many of them observed how fulfilled they felt, that they left the hatred and tension they had experienced previously.

Bambi

Bambi wrote: »

I see more deranged hate speech and support for violence on twitter that went unchecked than I have in my limited experience with Parler.


Hate speech= I don't like these opinions, as per usual.

Well enjoy parler but your statement is factually inaccurate. Parler is a social media hub where being a Nazi is absolutely fine. Seems logical to not allow it on the play store, they also wouldn't allow a storm front app.

https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/I-tried-Parler-the-social-media-app-where-hate-15758094.php

Eric Cartman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm amazed they ever allowed it on the platform. It's a platform thats primary purpose is disseminating hate speech. The platforms already don't allow anything that could be associated with adult content so pretty logical that they wouldn't associate with a hate platform.

It was a free speech based social media platform, just because a minority of people used it for hate doesnt tar the whole app as some sort of ‘hate speech app’

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

It was a free speech based social media platform, just because a minority of people used it for hate doesnt tar the whole app as some sort of ‘hate speech app’

It would appear that it pretty clearly likely breaches more than one policy that they agreed to abide by.
https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/9878810?hl=en

gormdubhgorm

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

News channels are supposed to be objective, CNN and the cable network news channels aren't, they are subjective.
Its worked well for them, CNN ratings have surged this year.

'News' in the USA with CNN/FOX is almost skit news. It is based on sensationalism. Because they need to make money that way in a competitive market place as they are not state owned. It has to be sensationalist to be commercial.

In Ireland we have state owned channels like RTE and we should be thankful they are balanced in their dissemination of the news for the most part. The only time I remember where delivery of a News Item was extremely awkward for RTE was the death of Gerry Ryan. As it was one of their 'own' and the story was not wholesome, other channels had to give the real full story.

Cheerful Spring2

Eric Cartman wrote: »

It was a free speech based social media platform, just because a minority of people used it for hate doesnt tar the whole app as some sort of ‘hate speech app’

Twitter did not outlaw Trump for hate speech. Banned him, because his last posts on that site, would not concede the election, and accept Biden won. The also want to stop him delivering messages to his supporters online.

Introducing social media blocks for just Trump supporters so they will have no place to talk and gather. Which is a targeted thing lets be true to control the narrative.

Twitter also now know Trump out the door and can’t do anything. They hit him when he was down.

What shocking for me the nut bags online what to censor all opponents of the democrat party now. They seem to want 1984 but with them in charge!

Playing a dangerous game here since this Trump movement not fringe, his go huge support inside the country. The anti-trumpets don't seem to care. When men with beards and combat gear show up on the streets will they care then? Thirst for revenge makes them just as bad as Trump followers.

Jimbob1977

Even before social media existed, newspapers had editorial opinions.

Typically based on their owner's political compass.

It's impossible to escape from. Social media has merely accentuated the problem.

The truth exists - but it can be spun and manipulated.

I might see a police shooting as excessive. My wife might view the exact same incident as justifiable.

Former Former Former

Threads like these are the reason Trump would have done a lot better in Ireland than people would like to admit.

"Don't trust the media, I'll tell you the real truth" has been a key driver of support for Trump, Brexit, anti-vaxxers, Bolsonaro, Gemma O'Doherty and pretty much all the other grim sh*t that has emerged in the last few years.

It's a weird paradox that the people who trust "MSM" the least are the ones who need it the most.

Dyr

Former Former Former wrote: »

Threads like these are the reason Trump would have done a lot better in Ireland than people would like to admit.

"Don't trust the media, I'll tell you the real truth" has been a key driver of support for Trump, Brexit, anti-vaxxers, Bolsonaro, Gemma O'Doherty and pretty much all the other grim sh*t that has emerged in the last few years.

It's a weird paradox that the people who trust "MSM" the least are the ones who need it the most.

It's a weird paradox that people who defend the medias abandoning any pretence of objectivity towards mainstream opinions are the same people who see Brexit, Trump and Bolsonaro (all of which were democratic outcomes) as the end of the world.

Very odd indeed.

Dyr

Deleted User wrote: »

Well enjoy parler but your statement is factually inaccurate. Parler is a social media hub where being a Nazi is absolutely fine. Seems logical to not allow it on the play store, they also wouldn't allow a storm front app.

https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/I-tried-Parler-the-social-media-app-where-hate-15758094.php

My statement was that Twitter will allow all sorts of hate speech and extremists so long as it doesnt come from those they percieve as opponents of their their corporate viewpoint. Last I checked a dictatorship thats sterlizing minorities was happily tweeting away but I suppose if they're not misgendering them then they're grand

Parler simply extends that same courtesy to all sides. Some people don't like that idea

Silentcorner

Former Former Former wrote: »

Threads like these are the reason Trump would have done a lot better in Ireland than people would like to admit.

"Don't trust the media, I'll tell you the real truth" has been a key driver of support for Trump, Brexit, anti-vaxxers, Bolsonaro, Gemma O'Doherty and pretty much all the other grim sh*t that has emerged in the last few years.

It's a weird paradox that the people who trust "MSM" the least are the ones who need it the most.

Actually populist American conservatism wouldn't go far here.

American conservatives hate big government, they are passionate about it, they will never succumb socialists or fascists as a result.

We here in Ireland on the other hand love being subjugated by powerful authority...we drink whatever "our betters" pour down our gobs...for example, check out our history since independence.

Former Former Former

Silentcorner wrote: »

Actually populist American conservatism wouldn't go far here.

American conservatives hate big government, they are passionate about it, they will never succumb socialists or fascists as a result.

We here in Ireland on the other hand love being subjugated by powerful authority...we drink whatever "our betters" pour down our gobs...for example, check out our history since independence.

Trump is no more an American conservative than he is a Somalian communist. He saw American conservatism as a bandwagon he could jump on for his own ends and he knew exactly what buttons to press to manipulate people. If he was in Ireland, he'd have a totally different message but the tactics would be the same and people would swallow it just as readily.

Trump convinced plenty of people that, despite being born into enormous wealth, the other guys were the elite. Despite all the sexual impropriety, he convinced plenty of people that he was a clean living Christian. He did that by shouting FAKE NEWS every time the Post or the NYT uncovered something else about him. And so many people have bought into the 'MSM is bad' doctrine that they went along with it.

Yes, Trump would do well here.

Dyr

Former Former Former wrote: »

Trump is no more an American conservative than he is a Somalian communist. He saw American conservatism as a bandwagon he could jump on for his own ends and he knew exactly what buttons to press to manipulate people

You're right Trump was a Democrat originally and his economics policies were not what most Republicans would consider remotely conservative

Former Former Former

Bambi wrote: »

It's a weird paradox that people who defend the medias abandoning any pretence of objectivity towards mainstream opinions are the same people who see Brexit, Trump and Bolsonaro (all of which were democratic outcomes) as the end of the world.

Very odd indeed.

I see Trump and Bolsonaro as very bad things, democratic or not.

But I think the abandoning of objectivity is a myth peddled by people who want to manipulate the public for their own ends.

And people like you just lap it up, and they turn to very odd places for the "truth", which leads us all down very dark paths.

Smacruairi

Former Former Former wrote: »

I see Trump and Bolsonaro as very bad things, democratic or not.

But I think the abandoning of objectivity is a myth peddled by people who want to manipulate the public for their own ends.

And people like you just lap it up, and they turn to very odd places for the "truth", which leads us all down very dark paths.

Just a quick one, Former. Let's stay away from America for the moment.

Do you think Simon Harris got grilled enough while he was head of the dept of health? What about Leo? Do you think there's a link at all between journos being hired as special advisors and the coverage FG got in particular? Do you not think its odd that the fact that Leo went on national TV, said NPHET were overly cautious, then we have the highest cases ever, and this is rarely mentioned? This isn't about being allowed to say x y z, this is the overwhelming low level messaging being repeated ad nauseum that people are now starting to question.

Norma Foley keeps repeating "schools are safe" despite the fact that we have given up contact tracing for the moment and our ICUs are full. No one ever says "eh no, you're wrong", she is allowed that soundbite without recourse. I find that very odd. That's what most people are complaining about.

Silentcorner

Former Former Former wrote: »

I see Trump and Bolsonaro as very bad things, democratic or not.

But I think the abandoning of objectivity is a myth peddled by people who want to manipulate the public for their own ends.

And people like you just lap it up, and they turn to very odd places for the "truth", which leads us all down very dark paths.

You are an expert on Brazilian politics as well?

Let me guess, you admire Jacinta Ardern?

Dyr

Silentcorner wrote: »

You are an expert on Brazilian politics as well?

Let me guess, you admire Jacinta Ardern?

CNN said he was a bad man, surely thats enough.

Silentcorner

Bambi wrote: »

CNN said he was a bad man, surely thats enough.

"I see (insert unpopular leader) as bad things."

It's like watching a hypnotized person speak!!!

pjohnson

Silentcorner wrote: »

You are an expert on Brazilian politics as well?

Let me guess, you admire Jacinta Ardern?

Are you an expert on Brazilian politics?

Silentcorner

pjohnson wrote: »

Are you an expert on Brazilian politics?

Absolutely not...

Capt'n Midnight

splashuum wrote: »

Just gobble up everything RTE tell ya. Seemed to work fine in for Nazi Germany and still is for North Korea.

Always wondered why the long distance transmitter in Tullamore needed so much power.

CrabRevolution

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Always wondered why the long distance transmitter in Tullamore needed so much power.

Must take a lot of energy to broadcast back in time to the 1930s!

On the topic at hand, yes RTÉ have a definite lean towards twitter style wokism (running articles about diversity and "being an ally" etc.) but most of their news stuff is alright.

Somehow they are simultaneously government mouthpieces but also cheerleaders for the far left, despite the far left being the county's most vocal government critics.

I also find accusations of bias hard to take from people who see bias everywhere (I mean left and right). For example this week we had the events in the US capitol. There wasn't a news service on earth that didn't cover it extensively with detailed accounts, commentary, how it reflected on Trump etc. Allies and enemies of the USA were all in unison at how poorly it reflected on the state of America under Trump. Yet still we had people here somehow accusing RTÉ of biased reporting on the event. Should they have been more sympathetic to the rioters or what?

Silentcorner

CrabRevolution wrote: »

Must take a lot of energy to broadcast back in time to the 1930s!

On the topic at hand, yes RTÉ have a definite lean towards twitter style wokism (running articles about diversity and "being an ally" etc.) but most of their news stuff is alright.

Somehow they are simultaneously government mouthpieces but also cheerleaders for the far left, despite the far left being the county's most vocal government critics.

I also find accusations of bias hard to take from people who see bias everywhere (I mean left and right). For example this week we had the events in the US capitol. There wasn't a news service on earth that didn't cover it extensively with detailed accounts, commentary, how it reflected on Trump etc. Allies and enemies of the USA were all in unison at how poorly it reflected on the state of America under Trump. Yet still we had people here somehow accusing RTÉ of biased reporting on the event. Should they have been more sympathetic to the rioters or what?

I consume as little output from established media brands as I can so I didn't see the coverage.

But there was that now infamous BBC headline from the summer just gone..."27 police officers injured in mostly peaceful protest"...this mob were attacking statues and rioting at the time!

Fighting Tao

Silentcorner wrote: »

I consume as little output from established media brands as I can so I didn't see the coverage.

But there was that now infamous BBC headline from the summer just gone..."27 police officers injured in mostly peaceful protest"...this mob were attacking statues and rioting at the time!

Attacking statues v attacking congress under direction from a sitting president. I wonder what is far more serious...

Silentcorner

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Attacking statues v attacking congress under direction from a sitting president. I wonder what is far more serious...

Look, I'm not going to attempt to justify what happened, it was a disgrace, I'm merely pointing out the blatant bias that major news brands are capable of!

Fighting Tao

Silentcorner wrote: »

Look, I'm not going to attempt to justify what happened, it was a disgrace, I'm merely pointing out the blatant bias that major news brands are capable of!

You said that you didn’t see the coverage, so why involve it then? You don’t know.