The way forward for LC2021

History Queen

Fresh from Carl o Brian

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/what-alternative-options-are-under-review-for-2021-leaving-cert-1.4471108?mode=amp

Random sample

History Queen wrote: »

Fresh from Carl o Brian

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/what-alternative-options-are-under-review-for-2021-leaving-cert-1.4471108?mode=amp

I can see problems with every option.

50/50, what if the teacher gives a grade completely different to what the candidate achieves on the actual exam?

Choice, does the teacher rate all students? What if a candidate rated at 60 does the exam and gets 80, do the rest of the class go up or does the 61 stay at 61?

As for wondering whether they would get examiners, surely if they’d advertised for them they would be able to give a concrete estimation of that? It’s shocking that they haven’t. I see no issue with having orals online and asking students to go into school for them.

I’m sure I have other issues too, but I can’t remember them right now.

mirrorwall14

History Queen wrote: »

Fresh from Carl o Brian

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/what-alternative-options-are-under-review-for-2021-leaving-cert-1.4471108?mode=amp

Glaring error in the middle implying they kept to keep the full marks awarded when they were taken away again

Random sample

Adapted exams won’t work, they can’t change the formate without doing a lot of work on it.

What about allowing them to count their best 3 exams for points as well as meeting all requirements for individual courses?

Treppen

am_zarathustra wrote: »

Regardless if what happens, even if we have to go full PG then at least the kids would have a plan. The limbo is really dangerous for their mental health!

Here is where I diverge with the "uncertainty" train of thought.

There's a LC course to be covered. That is the certainty.
Students should be told to Keep the head down while everyone else is losing theirs, do the work the teachers assign you as best you can just like every other LCs had to do in previous years.

What's the worst that can happen... You learn something that won't be examined!!

Only 2 options: Learn or don't.

It's the hysteria that's dangerous for mental health, not learning.

Wombatman

Treppen wrote: »

Here is where I diverge with the "uncertainty" train of thought.

There's a LC course to be covered. That is the certainty.
Students should be told to Keep the head down while everyone else is losing theirs, do the work the teachers assign you as best you can just like every other LCs had to do in previous years.

What's the worst that can happen... You learn something that won't be examined!!

Only 2 options: Learn or don't.

It's the hysteria that's dangerous for mental health, not learning.

I think it is a little more nuanced than that.

The LC is tough for every year and as a student, you want to make the most of your time and effort. Students are revising right now. If they had more information on what format the 'new' amended exam might look like, they could target their revision better and NOT learn something that won't be examined, which would be a disheartening waste of time.

This group of LCs are much worse off than last years. They lost a big chunk of last year. When they went back to school that were working under Covid restrictions. Now that are expected to spend every hour that God sends in their rooms focusing on and thinking about the LC.

The last thing they deserve is your learn or don't learn hard line, or your dismissal of the fact that all the change and uncertainty is upsetting for some.

indolent

Wombatman wrote: »

Now that are expected to spend every hour that God sends in their rooms focusing on and thinking about the LC.

They aren't expected to do this though. Considering the time that is "wasted" getting to/from school, attendance, assemblies etc. , students have the chance to finish their work at a decent hour. That is of course contingent on them not going on to twitter to vent their apparent frustration on having to sit a lc ...

Wombatman wrote: »

The last thing they deserve is your learn or don't learn hard line, or your dismissal of the fact that all the change and uncertainty is upsetting for some.

I would find the undue attention afforded to this subject by the media more upsetting.

And it is a tough and important lesson to learn. Lecturers won't be too bothered if you refuse to engage because it's upsetting.

Bobtheman

Given the increasing death that covid has brought it is amazing that such a huge media focus on the LC. We also have increasing waiting lists for cancer etc that will increase fatalities in various areas.

The LC should go ahead -delayed but should go ahead. Its possible-perhaps in July. Tweak the curriculum and go for it. Bring teachers in on a voluntary basis in June.
God knows the academic bar has been lowered year after year as it is.
I'm sure the day will arrive when colouring features on the JC

Wombatman

indolent wrote: »

They aren't expected to do this though. Considering the time that is "wasted" getting to/from school, attendance, assemblies etc. , students have the chance to finish their work at a decent hour. That is of course contingent on them not going on to twitter to vent their apparent frustration on having to sit a lc ...



I would find the undue attention afforded to this subject by the media more upsetting.

And it is a tough and important lesson to learn. Lecturers won't be too bothered if you refuse to engage because it's upsetting.

Nothing about their current experience, as LCs, matches a traditional year. The "wasted" time you talk about is taking the bus with their friends, socialising and having the craic, a key component in positive development. No sport, no mocks yet, no extra circular activities, no debs, no meeting up with their friends or parties. Healthy school life is about more than school work.

Of course some of them are going to find it tough. I'm much happier that this is acknowledged by media. Much better than turning a blind eye and firing off the mantra 'just get on with it'. I though we had moved on from sweeping things like this under the carpet.

I'm no fan of Bojo but when he cancelled the traditional GCSEs he said "it’s not possible or fair for all exams to go ahead this summer, as normal". While it may be possible and correct to go ahead with exams here, we need to ensure fairness to the student.

So far, the absence of communication, or miscommunication, and the obvious lack of planning and preparation is unfair on the student. Yes we are in the middle of a pandemic, but it wouldn't be difficult to serve the students better in this area.

mirrorwall14

I am very torn on this one to be honest.

Is there a cohort who don’t want to work and just want them cancelled? Yes.

Is there a cohort who are fine one way or the other? Yes

Is there a cohort who are finding covid very difficult, who suffered because they couldn’t access schooling or achieve to the best of their ability online and this constant uncertainty of more school closures making it even worse? Yes

It’s very difficult to find something that works for all.

But I know on a personal level I have seriously struggled with lockdown. I struggle to find the motivation each day. I am very lucky to be in a job that is paying me so I have to get up and work. I am lucky to have children so I have to keep going.

Spending every day studying in my room wouldn’t work right now for me. I would seriously struggle. And probably wouldn’t have worked for me at that age either to be honest.

But then again, there are the ones who are driving me nuts because they are jumping on the bandwagon as opposed to actually struggling. So I’m torn.

Mammapinkbear

Wombatman wrote: »

Nothing about their current experience, as LCs, matches a traditional year. The "wasted" time you talk about is taking the bus with their friends, socialising and having the craic, a key component in positive development. No sport, no mocks yet, no extra circular activities, no debs, no meeting up with their friends or parties. Healthy school life is about more than school work..

I think this is the crux of the issue with LC students. We are asking them to do a normal LC in a period of time when nothing is normal.
They have been asked to change how they learn and how they live, which the majority have done so the least we can do is change how they are to be examined. How that change is implemented is, I'm sure, an incredibly difficult process but it's a process that should have had a well thought out contingency plan in place long before now, instead of rushing to put something in place now that will only serve to further frustrate students, teachers and the wide school community.

Mrsmum

Also sometimes people's comments suggest they think LC students are in some bubble that the Covid pandemic doesn't affect, that they should just keep their heads dow, keep their focus on learning and just get in with it. As if they don't live in families were Covid is discussed constantly regarding how it is affecting their families. Some of them will have parents on the frontline and therefore they will know more about the horrors of Covid than most of us. Some will have beloved grandparents that died, some will be worried sick about immune compromised parents or siblings or themselves, some will be minding younger siblings while parents work, some will see their parents newly at war with each other due to the stress of it all, some of them are now receiving remote teaching in environments of domestic abuse and addictions, some will have been out of school with Covid or self isolating or have their teacher/s out sick. Some of them have poor broadband and remote learning isn't working out well. All of the above they are forced to co exist with because of Covid and is the lived experience of the LC students over and above previous normal years stresses. On top of that no plan for the road ahead and the adults in charge running around like headless chickens, maybe this, maybe that but hey just stay focused.

carr62

Mrsmum thank you for your last post. It's actually made me quite emotional to think that there are people, like you, who get it. If only the practicalities of physically sitting the exam were the only problem. It's probably the least of our worries. Without going into detail, suffice to say not every student has a stress free home environment. It's hard to read comments on social media belittling the obstacles they face. Yes, I'm sure there are some students who perhaps don't want to bother, but many are striving so hard ( against the odds) to be the first ever in their families to reach third level. If this should be denied them through no fault of their own, I despair, I really do.

PoolDude

Here’s a tweet that should be shared based on the latest info and the lack of clarity:

59% of today's cases are under the age of 45, with a median age of 39. So the age of the majority of our teachers
@MichealMartinTD @NormaFoleyTD1 #LeavingCert2021 #wewantanoption #giveusachoice #saveourteachers

History Queen

PoolDude wrote: »

Here’s a tweet that should be shared based on the latest info and the lack of clarity:

59% of today's cases are under the age of 45, with a median age of 39. So the age of the majority of our teachers
@MichealMartinTD @NormaFoleyTD1 #LeavingCert2021 #wewantanoption #giveusachoice #saveourteachers

That's startling, for me anyway. I haven't been following breakdowns of numbers etc.

PoolDude

History Queen wrote: »

That's startling, for me anyway. I haven't been following breakdowns of numbers etc.

Add to that the fact that the majority of transmission is coming from 18 - 24 year olds and the CMO has written to the Minister for Health express concern ‘it will become increasingly difficult to maintain the level of suppression of Covid-19 that has been achieved since the New Year’.

I wonder are folks looking at the bigger picture and joining the dots here rather than looking at it myopically, focusing on purely figuring out the LC based on what is happening with missed school time and school closures v the full picture.

History Queen

PoolDude wrote: »

Add to that the fact that the majority of transmission is coming from 18 - 24 year olds and the CMO has written to the Minister for Health express concern ‘it will become increasingly difficult to maintain the level of suppression of Covid-19 that has been achieved since the New Year’.

I wonder are folks looking at the bigger picture and joining the dots here rather than looking at it myopically, focusing on purely figuring out the LC based on what is happening with missed school time and school closures v the full picture.

I have to say I haven't been looking at the bigger picture in that regard as I just had to stop following Covid stats so closely. I was feeling overwhelmed, particularly with the constant negativity that our main media outlets seem to love (obviously it sells better but Jesus it is relentless).

Thankfully I am not involved in decison making so my tuning out won't impact anyone.

Treppen

Wombatman wrote: »

I think it is a little more nuanced than that.

The LC is tough for every year and as a student, you want to make the most of your time and effort. Students are revising right now. If they had more information on what format the 'new' amended exam might look like, they could target their revision better and NOT learn something that won't be examined, which would be a disheartening waste of time.

We've been through this many many times before with changes in courses and students and teachers worrying about what "format the 'new' amended exam might look like".

No matter what, the students will look to you for guidance, and take their cue from you, as much as you and I wish , you can't throw your hands up and say you don't know and it's all terrible, you put on a brave face and get them back to learning asap.

From my perspective it seems as if there's students giving up in the hope that it'll be cancelled and left to teachers to sort out fairly (cue the Ciara Kelly brigade ) We hear parents feeding into this too saying that they don't know what to do with their kid who's given up because of uncertainty, as I said, at the very very least get them through the mocks, its only a few weeks away.

Wombatman wrote: »

This group of LCs are much worse off than last years.

It's all worse for every year, what about the 3rd year's who didn't sit the JC. Last year's 6 th years cheated out of grades the ones still waiting on re-sit results, competing with a whole new cohort this year with a whole new exam structure. The TYs who did TY at home, the first years who haven't even seen most of anyone's faces, said goodbyes at primary or had any sense of new school life with assemblies and mingling.
Or the 6th classes who's lost a tonne of crucial learning they need before secondary.. and down along to Junior Infants.

I don't think since last year anyone has a monopoly on how bad they have it in education or how bad they will have it when it comes to their leaving cert (cycle!) In the future.

Comparison is the thief of joy, in this case.

Wombatman wrote: »

They lost a big chunk of last year. When they went back to school that were working under Covid restrictions. Now that are expected to spend every hour that God sends in their rooms focusing on and thinking about the LC.

The last thing they deserve is your learn or don't learn hard line, or your dismissal of the fact that all the change and uncertainty is upsetting for some.

I'm not dismissing it, I'm saying that in a crisis situation you can only control the things you can control, right now that is to assume the plan is the plan is the leaving cert, they must keep trying right up until the minister says otherwise. That's what I told my students last year and that's what I'm saying this year.

I'm not implying that you are telling your students to give up btw I know we're all still trying our best to keep the learning going. I'm just saying that it's " all equally bad " but the course needs to be covered , leaving cert or not. That is the certainty they can be given.

Kind of unrelated but I've heard of a few cases of terminally ill students who still insisted on coming into school and doing the classes the exact same as their peers as it gave them a focus and routine/normality , or students who have unstable home lives that find solace in school. Maybe it's not so much about the "learn or don't learn" but just carrying on as normal and settling into a routine of whatever they can do. But ya the settling in isn't easy... or equitable.

shesty

PoolDude wrote: »

Add to that the fact that the majority of transmission is coming from 18 - 24 year olds and the CMO has written to the Minister for Health express concern ‘it will become increasingly difficult to maintain the level of suppression of Covid-19 that has been achieved since the New Year’.

I wonder are folks looking at the bigger picture and joining the dots here rather than looking at it myopically, focusing on purely figuring out the LC based on what is happening with missed school time and school closures v the full picture.

What exactly do you view as being the full picture....?

I assume closures are dragging on because someone feels they should, not purely because of the LC.

PoolDude

shesty wrote: »

What exactly do you view as being the full picture....?

I assume closures are dragging on because someone feels they should, not purely because of the LC.

Agreed. Yet the narrative is all around the immediacy of opening schools regardless and doing the traditional LC regardless. The points I shared above do not seem to support it.

Then who is stepping back and looking at it over the course of this year and longer term rather than the immediacy.

Let’s assume (big assumption) most are inoculated as planned by the end of August then let’s plan for that and the Academic year returning to whatever a new normal is. The discussion on Leaving Cert reform should be progressed but will take time to implement.

That leaves the problem of this years and nexts state exam candidates. Clearly something different (not necessarily or likely the same) has to be done. Call that now and confirm more options will be provided even if the plan is still to be confirmed, they can even share the options being considered. Make it clear that they recognise the uncertainty and that saving even one more life is worth it, talk to the bigger picture and how those factors as well as what has already happened are influencing thinking. They are not going to put teachers, students or their families at risk to solve one problem - not the traditional LC or JC but having a mechanism to enable this years cohort transition to college or the workplace. That they are going to figure it out.

Heck, I’m not sure I’ve even seen confirmation schools are not opening tomorrow - I know I am assuming they aren’t based on all we know and have heard but again lack of clarity.

That clarity is not there (even if some of the intent may be in having these meetings or some of the options discussions). Bringing that clarity is part of what leadership is about, both that and framing (& doing) it in terms of the bigger picture is missing.

Bobtheman

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

I am very torn on this one to be honest.

Is there a cohort who don’t want to work and just want them cancelled? Yes.

Is there a cohort who are fine one way or the other? Yes

Is there a cohort who are finding covid very difficult, who suffered because they couldn’t access schooling or achieve to the best of their ability online and this constant uncertainty of more school closures making it even worse? Yes

It’s very difficult to find something that works for all.

But I know on a personal level I have seriously struggled with lockdown. I struggle to find the motivation each day. I am very lucky to be in a job that is paying me so I have to get up and work. I am lucky to have children so I have to keep going.

Spending every day studying in my room wouldn’t work right now for me. I would seriously struggle. And probably wouldn’t have worked for me at that age either to be honest.

But then again, there are the ones who are driving me nuts because they are jumping on the bandwagon as opposed to actually struggling. So I’m torn.

I think this is a very honest post. Well done. I agree fully. Though when I was a student the standard of teaching was not as high. We didn't have all the supports kids have now. In Deis schools you have about four full time staff dealing with kids on a mental health level.
They also have way way way more options. You can **** up your leaving and still get a degree and I ain't talking private colleges. I exclude high profile picks like medicine but most things there is a back door.

Mardy Bum

Wombatman wrote: »

Nothing about their current experience, as LCs, matches a traditional year. The "wasted" time you talk about is taking the bus with their friends, socialising and having the craic, a key component in positive development. No sport, no mocks yet, no extra circular activities, no debs, no meeting up with their friends or parties. Healthy school life is about more than school work.

Of course some of them are going to find it tough. I'm much happier that this is acknowledged by media. Much better than turning a blind eye and firing off the mantra 'just get on with it'. I though we had moved on from sweeping things like this under the carpet.

I'm no fan of Bojo but when he cancelled the traditional GCSEs he said "it’s not possible or fair for all exams to go ahead this summer, as normal". While it may be possible and correct to go ahead with exams here, we need to ensure fairness to the student.

So far, the absence of communication, or miscommunication, and the obvious lack of planning and preparation is unfair on the student. Yes we are in the middle of a pandemic, but it wouldn't be difficult to serve the students better in this area.

Take a closer look at what is happening in England. They are doing exams and teachers are correcting them for nothing.

Str8outtaWuhan

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Take a closer look at what is happening in England. They are doing exams and teachers are correcting them for nothing.

In fairness the UK teacher unions were whipped a long time ago, they make our teachers unions look like the NBRU under Ogle

picturehangup

Just watched the 1pm news there.

Looks like they are paving the way for a combination of a written exam with some PGs, and looking like the orals and practicals will be cancelled. This is not good for music students, who are banking on an excellent practical to achieve a high grade in this subject.
I don't see why they couldn't go ahead with orals and practicals, perhaps delayed until late April/May to give students time with their teachers to work on their repertoires, etc.

I'm not sure how teachers of languages would feel about this?

deiseindublin

Jesus, I hate the sound of this hybrid.

Random sample

I feel like I’m always negative about everything, but I’m weary of what’s coming out in the media at the minute.

My students are not in a good position to make a call on whether to go for predictive grades or sit exams. Who would they go to for advice? Their teachers? Everything we say to them now will be mulled over for ages afterwards.

Orals aren’t due to happen to April anyway, I wouldn’t have a problem with them being pushed out to May.

History Queen

Tui just sent out email saying they of opinion that written exam fairest way and not confident in predicted grades. Official announcememt must be imminent.

Edit: sorry it wasn't an email, was a press release copied to the TUI app.

deiseindublin

Yes, mental health will be awful with this.

Just how can we expect 17 and 18 year olds to decide this? It's horrendous for them, and I'm wondering if it's just a way for us all, (students, teachers, parents, and unions), to accept that we're stuck with CG again this year.

Treppen

Last time when predicted grades were confirmed, teachers downed-tools to avoid undue influence or bias, we had a lot of calls which -thankfully for a change- weren't passed on to the teacher to ring back. That was a good protection for teachers.

this time.... carry on teaching and engaging with the same students who you are going to be marking/predicting?

Also, yes Music will be a really big disaster if practicals don't go ahead. It's not unusual to have a student sitting mostly ordinary level subjects but do the Higher grade exam because their performance is so strong (and might have been told so since they were a toddler). All the way through they chose Music on the understanding that 50% of the exam would be performing.

Really would be a pity and indictment on the department/SEC to not work out an online exam solution like they came up with in RIAM, not the best answer but you're getting a recorded or live performance which can be graded. Not sure about group performance though ! Maybe just social distance in a hall as the numbers usually aren't that large.

Random sample

Just picture the conversation.

Student: do you think I should go for predictive grades?
Teacher: no I think you should do the exam.
Student: so you won’t give me a good grade?

Or
Student: do you think I should go for predictive grades?
Teacher: yes, I think it’s the best option for you.
Student: you know I need a H2?

Horrendous.

History Queen

Random sample wrote: »

Just picture the conversation.

Student: do you think I should go for predictive grades?
Teacher: no I think you should do the exam.
Student: so you won’t give me a good grade?

Or
Student: do you think I should go for predictive grades?
Teacher: yes, I think it’s the best option for you.
Student: you know I need a H2?

Horrendous.

Judging by the reaction of some students on twitter to ASTI and TUI supporting a written exam I would have no faith in any system where teachers have further contact with their students if they are to calculate grades for them.

PoolDude

I wonder would the calculated grade be inclusive of work done up to Easter and is then submitted over Easter and decided and shared with the student in May. They then have a month to decide whether to sit the exam in the subject. This way they are focused on learning and delivering up to Easter and in a normal year would be revising & preparing for the exam after easter anyway. So its somewhat normal in that regard.

Mrsmum

Would it be all one road or the other or might students do written exam in one subject but go for Pg on another subject ? Or is that wanting jam on it ?

Treppen

Any Teacher would be mad to give predictive grade without any mocks.

Mardy Bum

The government's only concern about the LC is what scenario will cause them to lose more votes. When you consider the kinds of rubbish those with huge amounts of power have come out with recently, it shouldn't fill anyone with much hope.

Taking votes from SF will be the immediate priority. Therefore, a similar scenario to 2020 will be likely.

Smacruairi

Treppen wrote: »

Any Teacher would be mad to give predictive grade without any mocks.

At this stage any teacher would be mad to give a mock that they are correcting themselves. You'd have people appealing it like!

History Queen

Treppen wrote: »

Any Teacher would be mad to give predictive grade without any mocks.

I don't place much store in mocks to be honest. I may not have the course finished and they are widely leaked so lots of students know what is coming up.

rainbowtrout

PoolDude wrote: »

I wonder would the calculated grade be inclusive of work done up to Easter and is then submitted over Easter and decided and shared with the student in May. They then have a month to decide whether to sit the exam in the subject. This way they are focused on learning and delivering up to Easter and in a normal year would be revising & preparing for the exam after easter anyway. So its somewhat normal in that regard.

And can you imagine if they are offered a predicted grade in May that they are not happy with?? Then there will be claims that the lower than expected grade is a distraction from the real thing. Not to mind calls from parents.

Treppen

Smacruairi wrote: »

At this stage any teacher would be mad to give a mock that they are correcting themselves. You'd have people appealing it like!

I corrected my own mocks before and was happy to give them a copy to get second opinion. I'll stand over everything but happy to stand corrected if I'm wrong.

If anything I always encourage students to appeal, I got shafted in leaving cert subjects and some university exams but I was too meek to question it at the time. After working the other side of the fence I can see it's the sqweeky wheel gets the oil, and challenge everything and hold people to account.

hopgirl

History Queen wrote: »

Judging by the reaction of some students on twitter to ASTI and TUI supporting a written exam I would have no faith in any system where teachers have further contact with their students if they are to calculate grades for them.

From talking to some students they want a choice between predicted grades or exams. If they are not happy with PG then they can do the exams.
What's gonna happen in August when they get their results the ones that picked PG are not happy with them. What then they can hardly sit an exam that they have missed the rest of the course. As they can't attend school to facilitate a fair and unbiased grades. Their view that they get their PG sooner so then if they are not happy they can do their exams in June.
The teachers would need time to do the grades but also have to teach the students that have chosen to do the exams. I think some students haven't thought out fully issues around PG that may arise and them missing out in teaching time when they were waiting for their results. The teacher won't have time to go back and bring these students up to speed and they can hardly stop now for the ones that want to sit an exam it wouldn't be fair.

Smacruairi

Treppen wrote: »

I corrected my own mocks before and was happy to give them a copy to get second opinion. I'll stand over everything but happy to stand corrected if I'm wrong.

If anything I always encourage students to appeal, I got shafted in leaving cert subjects and some university exams but I was too meek to question it at the time. After working the other side of the fence I can see it's the sqweeky wheel gets the oil, and challenge everything and hold people to account.

If you want to give yourself all that extra work, admin and headaches to get the DES out of a bind of their own creation, hey, fair play. But when I've 2 lc classes with 45 combined students, I won't be rushing to volunteer for seppuku!

Alqua

Treppen wrote: »

Also, yes Music will be a really big disaster if practicals don't go ahead. It's not unusual to have a student sitting mostly ordinary level subjects but do the Higher grade exam because their performance is so strong (and might have been told so since they were a toddler). All the way through they chose Music on the understanding that 50% of the exam would be performing.

Really would be a pity and indictment on the department/SEC to not work out an online exam solution like they came up with in RIAM, not the best answer but you're getting a recorded or live performance which can be graded. Not sure about group performance though ! Maybe just social distance in a hall as the numbers usually aren't that large.

I have a student in that situation. Amazing singer, only higher level subject.

Group performance is the stickler. They need time in school to prepare in groups, no way around that. You can't force a student to perform solo as I've heard a couple of teachers were planning to do(!), totally different requirement. Singing groups especially weren't able to rehearse from Sept-Dec as it was.

deiseindublin

Treppen wrote: »

Any Teacher would be mad to give predictive grade without any mocks.

Only if mocks done in school, with your own made up mock paper. I'm presuming past DEB and Examcraft papers are everywhere online.

Treppen

Smacruairi wrote: »

If you want to give yourself all that extra work, admin and headaches to get the DES out of a bind of their own creation, hey, fair play. But when I've 2 lc classes with 45 combined students, I won't be rushing to volunteer for seppuku!

If you got 4 weeks to correct them?

Treppen

deiseindublin wrote: »

Only if mocks done in school, with your own made up mock paper. I'm presuming past DEB and Examcraft papers are everywhere online.

Really though the way modified mocks should go, best of luck to any student willing to memorize old mocks, and hope it comes up in a modified mock exam.

It can be done but teachers have to agree to modify or tweek the papers sufficiently.

am_zarathustra

I mean if a kid learned all the previous questions ever on a mock paper from two companies they will have basically revised the entire course. I wouldn't mind if the kids did that, be solid work.

I'd be wary about PG alone, I'd like a blend, half PG, half modified exam. Both should, in theory, work as a reciprocol test for each other but still take pressure off.

Music etc are tricker, I assume due toncound quality etc that it's hard to so them online? How many students sit music at LC? I don't know many schools with more than one class, logistically could it be possible?

Bobtheman

I have total faith in the department to **** it up whatever choice is made

Alex86Eire

Is any school actually giving mocks? We still don't know what the story is with ours?
I'm happy to make my own paper and correct it.

rainbowtrout

am_zarathustra wrote: »

I mean if a kid learned all the previous questions ever on a mock paper from two companies they will have basically revised the entire course. I wouldn't mind if the kids did that, be solid work.

I'd be wary about PG alone, I'd like a blend, half PG, half modified exam. Both should, in theory, work as a reciprocol test for each other but still take pressure off.

Music etc are tricker, I assume due toncound quality etc that it's hard to so them online? How many students sit music at LC? I don't know many schools with more than one class, logistically could it be possible?

Off the top of my head I think it's somewhere in the region of 6000 doing Music.

Treppen

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Off the top of my head I think it's somewhere in the region of 6000 doing Music.

6600 in 2019.. with a phenomenal amount getting the H2s and H3s (>30% in both grades).
Not so go flúirseach with the H1s though.

Yes recordings can be done. Considering theyve used recordings for moderation purposes for quite a while. It's easy enough to classify a performer even with the worst of recording quality.