Twitter's alleged bias towards left-wing trolls.

Sonics2k

Silentcorner wrote: »

You do realise that a single leader of a political party is different to a one party government right....you do realize that our current leader Michael Martin isn't a fascist right?

Trump won a party nomination, then a Presidential Election, just like all the Presidents before him.

Your last sentence is just gibberish disguised as a word salad!

Yes, I do realise that. And that's why I didn't even mention it. I literally said "a single leader for a country"

Michael Martin is the leader of FG and the Taoiseach, but he doesn't make all the rules and have the ability to simply change the law at his whim. Stalin was able to do all of that. I literally can't understand how you got that confused unless you actually tried.

The rest isn't gibberish, if you think it is then you need some help. Let me know and I can clear it up for you.

Sonics2k

Bambi wrote: »

Guess its time for Facebuke to be yanked off the Apple and Google stores...right guys?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Erey9WQXUAI2nx_?format=jpg&name=large

I encourage them to remove Facebook. It's a cancer on society.

Silentcorner

Sonics2k wrote: »

Yes, I do realise that. And that's why I didn't even mention it. I literally said "a single leader for a country"

Michael Martin is the leader of FG and the Taoiseach, but he doesn't make all the rules and have the ability to simply change the law at his whim. Stalin was able to do all of that. I literally can't understand how you got that confused unless you actually tried.

The rest isn't gibberish, if you think it is then you need some help. Let me know and I can clear it up for you.

Ya...the leader of any democracy including the US is the same...I have no idea why you even mentioned Trump unless you are one of those swivel eyed loons who thinks he is a fascist that is...a fascist leader requires total control of media, hardly something you can accuse Trump of...we were discussing one party government.

Ask anyone you know who lived in Eastern Europe what the difference is between a fascist/communist/socialist....they've seen them all!!!

Sonics2k

Silentcorner wrote: »

Ya...the leader of any democracy including the US is the same...I have no idea why you even mentioned Trump unless you are one of those swivel eyed loons who thinks he is a fascist that is...a fascist leader requires total control of media, hardly something you can accuse Trump of...we were discussing one party government.

Ask anyone you know who lived in Eastern Europe what the difference is between a fascist/communist/socialist....they've seen them all!!!

No, I wasn't saying that. I was merely pointing out the irony that a lot of his supporter base have openly called for a Trump dynasty and want to see him in for life. This is not new information.

rossie1977

The same Americans talking about 'free speech' because Trump was yanked from twitter are the people that called Colin Kaepernick a traitor, to leave the US and burned Nike items when he dared exercise his right to free speech.

No sympathy for these people.

Dyr

rossie1977 wrote: »

The same Americans talking about 'free speech' because Trump was yanked from twitter are the people that called Colin Kaepernick a traitor, to leave the US and burned Nike items when he dared exercise his right to free speech.

No sympathy for these people.

They are? I'd imagine you have a some sort of chart to back that up.

rossie1977

Silentcorner wrote: »

Everyone knows the Nazis were the Nationalist Socialist Party but equally they were not strictly socialists, the leadership was influenced by Mussolini a raging fascist.

One Party Government and absolute control of media usually ends up with the death and starvation of millions of people regardless.

They weren't socialist at all. Big corporates bankrolled Nazis rise to power when the party was bankrupt in early 30s and after that corporate power was protected.

Nazis outright banned trade unions thus suppressing workers rights.

Religion became intertwined with government, nazis promoted 'positivity christianity'. The Catholic Church in Germany has since fully admitted their role in helping the Nazis rise to power.

Three key areas that are anti socialist and thus make the Nazis fascist

Silentcorner wrote: »

Ya...the leader of any democracy including the US is the same...I have no idea why you even mentioned Trump unless you are one of those swivel eyed loons who thinks he is a fascist that is...a fascist leader requires total control of media, hardly something you can accuse Trump of...we were discussing one party government.

Ask anyone you know who lived in Eastern Europe what the difference is between a fascist/communist/socialist....they've seen them all!!!

He wasn't able but he sure tried. Calling all news not positive towards him fake and enemy of the people. Banning news teams from press conferences.

Trump attempted to de-legitimate large sections of the media. Its very same tactic Hitler used with 'lügenpresse'.

rossie1977

Bambi wrote: »

They are? I'd imagine you have a some sort of chart to back that up.

Ok I give you main suspect

The_Brood

For Forks Sake wrote: »

People who post this are embarrassingly ignorant. The world has changed due to social media and corporations. If Amazon buys all water supply on the planet and only gives it to whoever they like, will the "well they are a company, free to do what they want" excuse apply there too? Once upon a very long time only the government could really control free speech, now it is in the hands of corporations and CEOs.

newhouse87

Sonics2k wrote: »

I encourage them to remove Facebook. It's a cancer on society.

social media is a cancer on society.

markodaly

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Of course. It's their platform.

It's not a public utility. Supermarkets could be argued to be a public utility. Same for public transport, water and electricity. Social media is not.

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There is actually a SCOTUS ruling that states, that yes, Twitter IS a Public Utility.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/09/us/politics/trump-twitter-first-amendment.html

https://twitter.com/nfergus/status/1347772657526132737

Dyr

rossie1977 wrote: »

Ok I give you main suspect

I'll take that a no.

So many strawman. So many.

Polar101

“There is freedom of speech, but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech.”

uptherebels

markodaly wrote: »

There is actually a SCOTUS ruling that states, that yes, Twitter IS a Public Utility.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/09/us/politics/trump-twitter-first-amendment.html

https://twitter.com/nfergus/status/1347772657526132737

can you point out where it states twitter is a public utility?
you don't seem to understand that "free speech" in the US actually means.
Nor do you seem to understand the ruling in question.
But that isn't surprising.

y0ssar1an22

Companies can do what they wish within the law.

what annoys me, is that madonna was not banned for saying she would bomb the white house. that's not inciting violence, its actual threatening it, and to a crowd of protesters as well. de niro did something similar.

so..is it what you actually say, what definition 3rd parties pick up from what you say, how influential you are; or a combo of all?

as with anything, people just want transparency and consistency.

Kraftwerk

It's crazy anyway that elected officials use social media as public channels when the platforms implement their own set of rules for access.

Crazier still that non US officials use a private American recreational social platform with American based rules for official public communications.

We need our own site just for Irish politics. Each TD could have the ability to post topics and each user can react. Like a mixture of twitter and the journal. We could call it something catchy to get the the youth on board. Something like DailEireannOfficialInteractiveEngagementForum

y0ssar1an22

Kraftwerk wrote: »

It's crazy anyway that elected officials use social media as public channels when the platforms implement their own set of rules for access.

Crazier still that non US officials use a private American recreational social platform with American based rules for official public communications.

We need our own site just for Irish politics. Each TD could have the ability to post topics and each user can react. Like a mixture of twitter and the journal. We could call it something catchy to get the the youth on board. Something like DailEireannOfficialInteractiveEngagementForum

maybe a good reason to regulate these tech giants, that can influence public thought.

there was a 3rd party one, but they've been cancelled from the internet. they used amazons server, and amazon just deleted the entire thing*.

*i could be (prob am) way wrong on this, but twas the impression i got.

uptherebels

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

maybe a good reason to regulate these tech giants, that can influence public thought.

there was a 3rd party one, but they've been cancelled from the internet. they used amazons server, and amazon just deleted the entire thing*.

*i could be (prob am) way wrong on this, but twas the impression i got.

Amazon doesn't control the internet, that "3rd party" is free to set up its own servers or follow the rules to use someone else's.

nolivesmatter

Kraftwerk wrote: »

It's crazy anyway that elected officials use social media as public channels when the platforms implement their own set of rules for access.

Crazier still that non US officials use a private American recreational social platform with American based rules for official public communications.

We need our own site just for Irish politics. Each TD could have the ability to post topics and each user can react. Like a mixture of twitter and the journal. We could call it something catchy to get the the youth on board. Something like DailEireannOfficialInteractiveEngagementForum

That was my thought too. One minute twitter was a one-way communication system for self-absorbed douchebag celebrities to promote themselves and their sh*te, and then suddenly it's all politics and politicians.

AbusesToilets

rossie1977 wrote: »

The same Americans talking about 'free speech' because Trump was yanked from twitter are the people that called Colin Kaepernick a traitor, to leave the US and burned Nike items when he dared exercise his right to free speech.

No sympathy for these people.

It's nought to do with sympathy, and everything to do with civil liberties being held hostage by corporate entities. Businesses who were happy to monetise said speech until it became a political inconvenience.

y0ssar1an22

uptherebels wrote: »

Amazon doesn't control the internet, that "3rd party" is free to set up its own servers or follow the rules to use someone else's.

here is the judgment a few years ago talking about the same thing:

it frequently cuts prices to a point which leaves even the Standard little or no profit, and which more often leaves no profit to the competitor, whose costs are ordinarily somewhat higher.


at the minute there is the perfect positive feedback loop:

where do you hear about a product/something (twitter)---what do you type in to find out more on that (google)---- and then you have amazon actively selling those things at *discount price*.

conorhal

Bambi wrote: »

Guess its time for Facebuke to be yanked off the Apple and Google stores...right guys?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Erey9WQXUAI2nx_?format=jpg&name=large

Didn't that Tarrant guy who went on a spree killing at a mosque in New Zealand stream it all live on Facebook?

A very dangerous platform.

timmyntc

uptherebels wrote: »

Amazon doesn't control the internet, that "3rd party" is free to set up its own servers or follow the rules to use someone else's.

Amazon are probably the biggest web hosting service in the world - frequently undercut their competitors to take over more of the market, and very soon we will have a monopoly.

What do we do then?

Robert ninja

timmyntc wrote: »

Amazon are probably the biggest web hosting service in the world - frequently undercut their competitors to take over more of the market, and very soon we will have a monopoly.

What do we do then?

You say that like it's a bad thing. To them it's the ideal.

"Just set up up your own X" is the excuse they use to justify every instance of censorship or deplatforming. They'll keep pushing the goalposts back: Your own site, hosting, DNS, ddos protection, payment system. The list of things they demand you need do yourself has no end while they themselves couldn't ping a server if their dinner depended on it. They'd have you off the grid all the way down to your electricity and even then it wouldn't be enough because if you somehow actually managed that level of independence they'd label you a terrorist and beg big government to drive out and seize your property for hate speech. Surely only a terrorists needs to go through all that, right? The same way only criminals need encryption.

The Zuckerbergs and Bezos' of the world are their leaders. Foreign, unaccountable billionaires virtue signalling ideals they don't believe in. Just the kind of boot the modern left wants to live under.

mariaalice

Robert ninja wrote: »

You say that like it's a bad thing. To them it's the ideal.

"Just set up up your own X" is the excuse they use to justify every instance of censorship or deplatforming. They'll keep pushing the goalposts back: Your own site, hosting, DNS, ddos protection, payment system. The list of things they demand you need do yourself has no end while they themselves couldn't ping a server if their dinner depended on it. They'd have you off the grid all the way down to your electricity and even then it wouldn't be enough because if you somehow actually managed that level of independence they'd label you a terrorist and beg big government to drive out and seize your property for hate speech. Surely only a terrorists needs to go through all that, right? The same way only criminals need encryption.

The Zuckerbergs and Bezos' of the world are their leaders. Foreign, unaccountable billionaires virtue signalling ideals they don't believe in. Just the kind of boot the modern left wants to live under.

Do you have any idea how whiney and self-entitled that sounds? I have no clue what values the likes of Mark Zukebureg or Jack Dorsey have, but I suspect as they are white Americans from well off/ middle-class backgrounds and grew up in the 80s that their values are very Liberal.

Robert ninja

mariaalice wrote: »

but I suspect as they are white

Haha, nope.

mariaalice

Robert ninja wrote: »

Haha, nope.

Mark Zuckerberg and Jack Dorsey are not white?

Robert ninja

Zuckerberg is jewish. No idea about Bezos.

mariaalice

Robert ninja wrote: »

Zuckerberg is jewish. No idea about Bezos.

How does being Jewish stop you from being white?


This is a list of Jack Dorsey Philanthropy

In March 2016, Dorsey fully funded about 600 Missouri public school projects registered at DonorsChoose.[91]

In October 2019, Dorsey donated $350,000 to #TeamTrees, a nonprofit started by YouTuber MrBeast that pledged to plant 20 million trees by the end of 2019.[92][93]

On April 7, 2020, Dorsey announced that he will move about $1 billion of his equity in Square, Inc., just under a third of his total wealth, to Start Small, LLC, and to relief programs related to the coronavirus.[94][95] He committed to funding COVID-19 relief, girls' education and health, and universal basic income.[96] Dorsey has donated $24 million to over 40 different grantees for relief efforts.[97]

In August 2020, Dorsey donated $10 million to Boston University's Center for Antiracist Research, founded by Ibram X. Kendi.[98

Now I am not saying there isn't self-interest in any of this, but I would be fairy certain its not virtual signaling.

completedit

completedit wrote: »

They're pretty much the same thing. How do you tell a Fascist from a Communist? One is German and the other is Russian.

They are not the same thing, not even remotely.

The roots of communism and the roots of fascism are stupendously different.

It'd be like comparing the source of the River Nile to the source of the River Liffey.

And in practice it'd be like comparing earth to Lalande 21185.