When will it all end?

Kivaro

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Yet more mis-information on a Sub-forum brimming with it

On the contrary, their lockdown is now extended

All that's changing from Monday are the schools


https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-wales-lockdown-extended-for-three-weeks-with-youngest-pupils-returning-to-school-on-monday-12222339

Yet this misinformation was reported by Channel 5 news and the BBC a few minutes ago (approx. 9 pm). They also reported the type of easing, including exercising outside in groups of 4, and hairdressers and other non-essential shops opening up in March (next month).

ShineOn7

Kivaro wrote: »

Yet this misinformation was reported by Channel 5 news and the BBC a few minutes ago (approx. 9 pm). They also reported the type of easing, including exercising outside in groups of 4, and hairdressers and other non-essential shops opening up in March (next month).

Then either the news I heard earlier on a big British radio station and the biggest news outlet in the UK - Sky - are wrong

Or the BBC are

Channel 5 are a nothing burger in terms of media respect

markodaly

josip wrote: »

Because for reasons only known to themselves, they set a ridiculous opening up criteria of <100 cases for 28 days.

As a matter of interest, what criteria should be used to reopen back up?

If not cases per day, then what?

Silentcorner

markodaly wrote: »

As a matter of interest, what criteria should be used to reopen back up?

If not cases per day, then what?

How about a percentage of hospital beds occupied by people who actually are in hospital because of Covid.

We have 11,000 beds, so lets say 2,000 beds occupied for over a 10 day period.

markodaly

Hooked wrote: »

Sure, lock up the over 75's and the very sick...
but it's beyond a joke now to lock up the rest of us...

At the end of the day it boils to a "Me me me me me me" attitude.
At least some are honest about it that they don't care about others and only themselves.
That is why we have the 'open up right now' brigade.

Kivaro

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Then either the news I heard earlier on a big British radio station and the biggest news outlet in the UK - Sky - are wrong

Or the BBC are

Channel 5 are a nothing burger in terms of media respect

Grand. I'm sure anything positive can be quelled then due to the conflicting reports.

markodaly

Silentcorner wrote: »

How about a percentage of hospital beds occupied by people who actually are in hospital because of Covid.

We have 11,000 beds, so lets say 2,000 beds occupied for over a 10 day period.

Because we know from past experience that this is a highly transmissible disease.
Using that metric would be a disaster, as we saw from opening up for a few weeks before Christmas.

No, and I mean no public health expert advises that metric by the way.

markodaly

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The WHO are dick swinging about after the vulnerable are vaccinated, we should be giving our vaccines to ****house countries. The G7 are meeting today about it.

I can Micheal Martin, Varadkar and Coveney handing over hundreds of thousands of vaccines, to secure their own status amongst the global NGOs and keeping us under Level 2-3 Restrictions..

It is genuinely an Us vs Them scenario.

With all due respect, F**k Botswana and F**k Nicaragua.

Ah, ****hole countries, like Trump once said? :rolleyes:

Labaik

Well the Brazilian variant is here. 3 cases confirmed from recent travel. What a shambles how the government has handled this crisis.

Silentcorner

markodaly wrote: »

Because we know from past experience that this is a highly transmissible disease.
Using that metric would be a disaster, as we saw from opening up for a few weeks before Christmas.

No, and I mean no public health expert advises that metric by the way.

You mean the same health authorities who are imposing the harshest, most inhumane, economically and socially destructive policies ever witnessed despite the complete absence of scientific or medical data to back them up?

If hospital bed occupancy is not a solid metric then I don't know what is...

Call me Al

Labaik wrote: »

Well the Brazilian variant is here. 3 cases confirmed from recent travel. What a shambles how the government has handled this crisis.

Have they been in quarantine?

GazzaL

markodaly wrote: »

At the end of the day it boils to a "Me me me me me me" attitude.
At least some are honest about it that they don't care about others and only themselves.
That is why we have the 'open up right now' brigade.

The people working from home on full pay don't give a **** about the rest of society. They have record savings thanks to reduced travel, food, and childcare. Johnny the builder and Mary the beautician next door can't afford to pay their mortgage while on the PUP but they can go **** themselves.

JimCore

Kivaro wrote: »

Wales are relaxing their restrictions tomorrow. February 20th.
And yet here we are, with the leader of our country telling us that we will have strict restrictions until May.
Do you know that on a clear day you can see Wales from Wexford.

Are you serious. We just relaxed restrictions at Christmas and people went nuts. Leading to an explosion in cases. Until large numbers are vaccinated measures should stay in place otherwise we risk producing new variants, high death tolls and an overwhelmed health service.

Its people not following health guidelines that has us where we are.

bucketybuck

JimCore wrote: »

Are you serious. We just relaxed restrictions at Christmas and people went nuts.

Sick of hearing this horse****.

"People went nuts". :rolleyes: Yeah, I remember them packing out Coppers and having raves in Croke park alright.

Micky 32

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s all well and good with all the condescending and ‘ do gooders’ posts regarding travel. Travel isn’t all about holidays. I was talking to a polish woman and she was quite distressed not knowing when she’ll see her 80+ year old mother back in Poland again.

That would be very stressful for anyone. Why with two negative tests one here before she leaves and another before she returns or antigen test at airport can’t she travel. I understand she can’t but it seems very draconian. I wonder would people like this just be tempted to leave here for good. Poor woman and there has to be many more like her.

JimCore

bucketybuck wrote: »

Sick of hearing this horse****.

"People went nuts". :rolleyes: Yeah, I remember them packing out Coppers and having raves in Croke park alright.

The numbers dont lie sherlock. A virus needs people interacting.

Oh I know actually youre right. Santa brought it down the chimney!!

Keep wearing the mask will ya!

ShineOn7

Re: Wales. Story is now updated on Sky

It absolutely is not a "lifting of their restrictions"

To claim such is hyperbole

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-very-modest-changes-to-lockdown-restrictions-in-wales-12222781

Very modest changes to lockdown restrictions in Wales

From Saturday, four people from two different households can exercise outdoors together to help those struggling during lockdown.

"This does not mean that it is permissible for people to drive somewhere to exercise and it does mean exercise, not socialising," Mr Drakeford said.

Sure skangers up and down Ireland have been meeting with two households and more for many months now. And - what's worse - they've been doing it indoors

It's a big part of why we had 8,000 cases in one day in January why a thousand Irish people were put in the ground in the same month

To say Wales are lifting restrictions is completely reductive at best and just false at worst

Silentcorner

bucketybuck wrote: »

Sick of hearing this horse****.

"People went nuts". :rolleyes: Yeah, I remember them packing out Coppers and having raves in Croke park alright.

It makes a handy distraction from the dismal failure of health authorities protecting residents of care homes...despite having 8 months to prepare for it!

It is utterly unscientific also, but that doesn't matter...viruses only surge when we all party and act like children.

Silentcorner

JimCore wrote: »

The numbers dont lie sherlock. A virus needs people interacting.

Oh I know actually youre right. Santa brought it down the chimney!!

Keep wearing the mask will ya!

Why didn't they surge last summer, plenty of interaction everywhere?

JimCore

Silentcorner wrote: »

It makes a handy distraction from the dismal failure of health authorities protecting residents of care homes...despite having 8 months to prepare for it!

It is utterly unscientific also, but that doesn't matter...viruses only surge when we all party and act like children.

Youve just contradicted your entire arguement. If the nursing home situation did not change since the virus arrived why did we see a large surge in cases around the same time we eased restrictions at the end of 2020!?

I appreciate the debate but please stop wearing your mask below your nose.

Kivaro

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Re: Wales. Story is now updated on Sky

It absolutely is not a "lifting of their restrictions"

To claim such is hyperbole

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-very-modest-changes-to-lockdown-restrictions-in-wales-12222781



Sure skangers up and down Ireland have been meeting with two households and more for many months now. And - what's worse - they've been doing it indoors

It's a big part of why we had 8,000 cases in one day in January why a thousand Irish people were put in the ground in the same month

To say Wales are lifting restrictions is completely reductive at best and just false at worst

Ok, we get where you are at.

JimCore

Silentcorner wrote: »

Why didn't they surge last summer, plenty of interaction everywhere?

Maybe due to the lack of a more contagious variant and as you mentioned people met outdoors more.

In winter people tend to congregate more indoors. Just what a virus would prefer.

Id have thought that would be glaringly obvious.

Silentcorner

JimCore wrote: »

Youve just contradicted your entire arguement. If the nursing home situation did not change since the virus arrived why did we see a large surge in cases around the same time we eased restrictions at the end of 2020!?

I appreciate the debate but please stop wearing your mask below your nose.

What? Lay off the drugs mate....

We didn't do enough to protect the residents, we were still using the PCR testing kits which essentially means carers cannot react quick enough to infections....this was deliberate policy, it directly led to excess deaths....care homes are home to the demographic most at risk, it was yet another Health Authority failure from one of the most dysfunctional health system in this part of the world.

Silentcorner

JimCore wrote: »

Maybe due to the lack of a more contagious variant and as you mentioned people met outdoors more.

In winter people tend to congregate more indoors. Just what a virus would prefer.

Id have thought that would be glaringly obvious.

Of course it is obvious.

So our options were to lockdown level 5 from mid Oct to May, which is utterly insane

Or manage the winter surge in a more balanced manner, shielding the old and vulnerable for that 6 week period that we know we are going to get.

I'm glad you admit it is seasonal, surely you must agree staying in severe lockdown mode from Mid March on is beyond ridiculous.

Lundstram

"people went nuts at Christmas"

You mean humans met other humans to celebrate Christmas just like humans have done for the last few thousand years?

The bastards.

Silentcorner

Lundstram wrote: »

"people went nuts at Christmas"

You mean humans met other humans to celebrate Christmas just like humans have done for the last few thousand years?

The bastards.

They have become the baying mob....frothing at the mouth about people leaving their homes to celebrate Christmas with members of their families and friends...headbangers!!!

GazzaL

Silentcorner wrote: »

They have become the baying mob....frothing at the mouth about people leaving their homes to celebrate Christmas with members of their families and friends...headbangers!!!

There's probably restricted capacity in psychiatric hospitals because of COVID restrictions.

GT89

aido79 wrote: »

You're probably aware that covid19 is a type of coronavirus at this stage. This type of virus has been intently studied since the 1920's so while there might not have been studies on covid19 there is a lot of information available on diseases closely related to it such as SARS and MERS. I would think with the amount of people involved in the research of covid19 at the stage around the world it's a little bit better than guesswork.

This is why Dolores Cahill isn't on nphet:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/debunked-dolores-cahill-covid-19-video-masks-lockdown-vaccines-5315519-Jan2021/%3famp=1

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN29R2NR

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ucd-professor-asked-to-resign-from-eu-committee-over-covid-19-claims-1.4277698%3fmode=amp

She is nuttier than squirrel sh&t and anyone who takes any notice of her needs their head examined.

And if it has been around for so long why haven't there been lockdowns until now.

We are constantly been we cant talk about solutions to covid as we are not qualified but when someone who is qualified in this case Delores Cahill says something different to rest of them she's considered a nut job.

GT89

jmlad2020 wrote: »

2022 we will begin to see the COVID ice thaw. Get used to it people you don't need a trip to Lanzarote this summer.

Ile be going away come the summer regardless of NPHET say.

Silentcorner

GT89 wrote: »

And if it has been around for so long why haven't there been lockdowns until now.

We are constantly been we cant talk about solutions to covid as we are not qualified but when someone who is qualified in this case Delores Cahill says something different to rest of them she's considered a nut job.

These lockdowns are not based on medical best practice or science, they are the opposite, any body who advocates lockdowns is anti science and anti medical best practice.

(this is based on the assumption that in order to be properly assessed from a medical and scientific approach, a lot more time would be required to assess all the relevant data for all implicated health outcomes for anyone in the medical or scientific industry to legitimately take a positive position on lockdowns)

Therefore, it is anti science and anti medical best practice what we are witnessing, anyone who doesn't think so is a complete charlatan and/or grifter.