When will it all end?

E mac

Silentcorner wrote: »

I think they have lost control of it, people were drained from it anyway, to fly a kite as outrageous as he did on Thursday evening was the staw that broke the camesl back for many.

As I said before, it may only be 20% or 30% of people, but it's enough to lose control...May is a long way off and we are still at the end of a long long winter, the idiot couldn't keep his mouth shut because he has convinced himself this is what the people want...

But talk to people you meet, everyone knows what is happening around the world, this facade that our government policy is proportionate to the impact of the virus is crumbling...you can see it on the threads here, the science deniers advocating level 5 lockdowns are getting hammered.

I think the government is gambling on the lockdown/vaccine working that come may restrictions can be relaxed somewhat. If Nphed says nope lockdown has to continue then ...what. Last time gov v nphed gov lost. Go against the people after all this restriction it’ll be ruination for FF/FG

E mac

Strumms wrote: »

700 a day WITH lockdown... without ? Hospitals at breaking point, as a health service, staff, families ?

I’d have no great issues if frontline hospital medical staff were allowed some sort of break or leeway but.... with our mentality here you have every hospital ‘employee’ maintaining they should be of the same ability, we just can’t afford that.. our hospitals employ around or just under 70,000 people (2019 figure)... we cannot permit people in numbers like that to go off wandering from what are essentially the most risk laden covid environments to galavanting around the entire country.

My point is if case numbers are still high in the month of May does the country continue with level 5 restrictions? If they were high then restrictions would be proven to not be working.

Strumms

E mac wrote: »

I think the government is gambling on the lockdown/vaccine working that come may restrictions can be relaxed somewhat. If Nphed says nope lockdown has to continue then ...what. Last time gov v nphed gov lost. Go against the people after all this restriction it’ll be ruination for FF/FG

Won’t be ruination as no other political party has come close to breaking their stranglehold .

Nobody is going against the ‘people’ they ARE going against COVID.

Strumms

E mac wrote: »

My point is if case numbers are still high in the month of May does the country continue with level 5 restrictions? If they were high then restrictions would be proven to not be working.

So no restrictions work better ? If level 5 turns into a shîtshow.. say 9000 cases a day, what would 4 have done ? Worse again... much worse... people just need to fuçkin sort themselves out.. get back to being team players in sorting this shïtshow and forget about their needy gumpy grumpy whims, it’s a fûckin pandemic, restrictions aren’t in place for the craic.

E mac

Strumms wrote: »

Won’t be ruination as no other political party has come close to breaking their stranglehold .

Nobody is going against the ‘people’ they ARE going against COVID.

Sinn Fein would be in government right now if they had ran enough candidates. They’d be no better in my opinion but how this year plays out could have a huge impact on the next election.

E mac

Strumms wrote: »

So no restrictions work better ? If level 5 turns into a shîtshow.. say 9000 cases a day, what would 4 have done ? Worse again... much worse... people just need to fuçkin sort themselves out.. get back to being team players in sorting this shïtshow and forget about their needy gumpy grumpy whims, it’s a fûckin pandemic, restrictions aren’t in place for the craic.

What further restrictions would you suggest imposing if numbers remained high in level 5?

Strumms

E mac wrote: »

What further restrictions would you suggest imposing if numbers remained high in level 5?

Any that could influence and impact a reduction in covid numbers.. I’d leave that up to NPHET and the government to nominate exactly.

johnmck

Speakerboxx wrote: »

When will things go back to normal?

With vaccines now available will we be here In January 2022 with covid dominating the news headlines? I would love to know.

When we are all good little sheep and obey without question

ujjjjjjjjj

I suppose in my heart of hearts I ain't surprised. They bankrupt the country in 2008 and 12 years later they are at it again. It's not a conspiracy or some insane crack pot theory or some mysterious plot.

It is unfortunately just a bunch of incompetent fools going from one dramatic crisis meeting to another listening to middle ranking civil servants who suddenly have found themselves in the limelight. It is a classic narsasistic circle and they are difficult to break.

I remember last March crying with my wife as we both had realised that a line had been crossed the moment the schools shut and it was going to be a long road ahead of incomprehensible stupidity. Incompetence and stupidity I am afraid know no bounds and one maxim rings true about this entire thing - 'Never argue with an idiot'.

Good luck to everyone, I genuinely can't express my sadness enough for all the people who have lost businesses, accrued debt and watched as their kids go into dark places.

Honestly I would love to say things will get better but unfortunately something has broken here and it doesn't go back together.

Strumms

Strumms wrote: »

Any that could influence and impact a reduction in covid numbers.. I’d leave that up to NPHET and the government to nominate exactly.

Look at where we are now in terms of restrictions and case numbers. Anything more than what we have is tantamount to house arrest and a deprivation of civil liberties so severe that it would most likely result in insurrection.
You’re basing a metric of case numbers, and while we know case numbers being high is not a good thing, it really depends on the hospitalisations as far as I can tell, and admissions to ICU.
Where does the line be drawn? I think we can all agree that NPHET and the Govt are winging this day by day so I wouldn’t be putting too much stock in anything either of them say. NPHET have made a lot of guarantees regarding L5 and now it seems their advice isn’t delivering.

46 Long

the kelt wrote: »

And don’t forget

The virus doesn’t exist in school buildings
It loves alcohol
But dislikes it when it’s served with food.
Our Irish version has a sat nav that activates when people travel further than 5 k
Irish people are dumb enough to believe they don’t have a curfew if you impose a distance travel restriction instead.
Irish people are gullible enough to accept blame and punishment multiple times every time something goes tits up.

And all that matters is there isn’t an optic of hospitals being overrun, everything else can go to hell in a hand basket!

And lastly, if you pump enough fear into a populace you can control them to do what ye want really, key to that is your national broadcaster and popular media outlets.

You forgot to mention that people are safe from the virus if we buy essential items such as chocolate and cigarettes but certain death awaits if you step foot into a clothes shop to buy a winter coat. Our lord and savior Tony Holohan is all-wise and knows that it's better to risk hypothermia than a brush with a deadly disease with only a 99.5% survival rate.

Strumms

Deleted User wrote: »

Look at where we are now in terms of restrictions and case numbers. Anything more than what we have is tantamount to house arrest and a deprivation of civil liberties so severe that it would most likely result in insurrection.
You’re basing a metric of case numbers, and while we know case numbers being high is not a good thing, it really depends on the hospitalisations as far as I can tell, and admissions to ICU.
Where does the line be drawn? I think we can all agree that NPHET and the Govt are winging this day by day so I wouldn’t be putting too much stock in anything either of them say. NPHET have made a lot of guarantees regarding L5 and now it seems their advice isn’t delivering.

Insurrection... a violent uprising against the government and or authorities.... that would leave the country in a better place ? Really?

We also have the Army, whose designated role is to protect the state and its people against armed and violent aggression... from inside the state or outside... democracy is threatened.. shoot.

Strumms

Strumms wrote: »

Insurrection... a violent uprising against the government and or authorities.... that would leave the country in a better place ? Really?

We also have the Army, whose designated role is to protect the state and its people against armed and violent aggression... from inside the state or outside... democracy is threatened.. shoot.

Who said it would leave the country in a better place?

Real Donald Trump

Strumms wrote: »

Insurrection... a violent uprising against the government and or authorities.... that would leave the country in a better place ? Really?

We also have the Army, whose designated role is to protect the state and its people against armed and violent aggression... from inside the state or outside... democracy is threatened.. shoot.

Nothing wrong with a peaceful protest

Strumms

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

Nothing wrong with a peaceful protest

if it’s in line with restrictions, certainly isn’t

emo72

Strumms. FG and FF have lost. They had the ignominy of joining together and still needed the greens! It's over for them, this is their last lap. They both got a kicking last time, they'll get kicked harder next time.

The country has had enough of nphet and the government locking us out of our livelihoods, and then letting flights in from Brazil bringing more viruses.
And blaming us for not holding "firm". **** off we are not thicks.

The shark has jumped this weekend. The worm has turned. You can feel it in the air. Everyone has had enough.

josip

Strumms wrote: »

700 a day WITH lockdown... without ? Hospitals at breaking point, as a health service, staff, families ?

I’d have no great issues if frontline hospital medical staff were allowed some sort of break or leeway but.... with our mentality here you have every hospital ‘employee’ maintaining they should be of the same ability, we just can’t afford that.. our hospitals employ around or just under 70,000 people (2019 figure)... we cannot permit people in numbers like that to go off wandering from what are essentially the most risk laden covid environments to galavanting around the entire country.

I never thought that there were people who took, "the beatings will continue until morale improves" seriously.

Real Donald Trump

Strumms wrote: »

if it’s in line with restrictions, certainly isn’t

We could get a few BLM people involved, it will be okay then

franciscanpunk

A lot of people saying the mood has changed and that people wont accept this anymore, i wish the second part was true but its not. Irish people have shown not only a massive desire to take this situation without question but also to try knock down anyone who dares question the almighy restrictions.

Personally I'll stick with the restrictions in general until the 5th of March(obv i still meet people outside for walks and stuff not doing that is just suffering to tell everyone what a saint you are to stick to the rules), after the expected bad news at next review(MM might do a midnight video on his old bebo account this time to slyly slip us the details), I'd imagine people I know will have fully given up at this stage and we'll people.over indoors for a few beers maybe a BBQ is weather is ok, then probably have people stay over for a night or 2. I'd love to say if the speed of reducing restrictions is too slow ill protest but i prob wont bother if i am honest, I'm still getting paid and trying to save some money so just ignoring govt n media seems is easier for now the forms of socialisation are cheaper

I didnt see my parents for 4 or 5 months in 2020, what a pointless sacrifice that was i cringe at the thought of the whole it will be worth it rubbish at the time, meet them outside for a walk now most weekends, don't go into the house yet n will hold until they are vaccinated. They want me to come in but ill leave it a while longer. Obv can't do that forever though like do people expect us to never set foot in our families homes again!

Strumms

emo72 wrote: »

Strumms. FG and FF have lost. They had the ignominy of joining together and still needed the greens! It's over for them, this is their last lap. They both got a kicking last time, they'll get kicked harder next time.

The country has had enough of nphet and the government locking us out of our livelihoods, and then letting flights in from Brazil bringing more viruses.
And blaming us for not holding "firm". **** off we are not thicks.

The shark has jumped this weekend. The worm has turned. You can feel it in the air. Everyone has had enough.

I’m no fan of either... but Labour don’t have the talent, SF certainly don’t have the talent and are still an untrustworthy terrorist mouthpiece who play up with consistency to their narrow minded support base...have defended and facilitated both criminals and terrorists to the hilt and without hesitation and will continue to actively do so, not just terrorists but criminals and wider criminality too.... prioritized the needs and wants of ‘their’ few ahead of the needs and greater wants of society and the good of the nation... haven’t changed and not going to change now, their legacy is clear.... you’d need your brain drained if you thought they were, Sinn Fein... Jesus haha... the lot of them couldn’t come up with an answer in a pub quiz let alone the answers to the situation we are in now.

FF / FG whilst not a perfect record as regards their handling of covid are far more trustworthy than those absolutely dreadful shinners...

josip

A lot of people are in favour of restrictions because they are in a high risk group.
I suspect that after they have been vaccinated, no more will be heard from them.
Those that are in favour of restrictions for other reasons, well there's not really much point engaging with them, if they still want restrictions after the at-risk groups have been vaccinated.

Charles Babbage

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

The two doctors who were staying in a guesthouse in the Wicklow hills and kindly saved a stranded dog while out hiking are now being investigated for being outside their 5km. The guesthouse was giving doctors and other frontline workers treating people a place to take a breather.
Some member of the public contacted the Gardaí.

That's what we have become as a country.

Can you believe this???

Of course I can believe this. RTÉ ran a news item which implied that it was fine to go off hiking whenever it suited you. This type of hypocrisy sets a very bad example and health care workers are exactly the people that will suffer if everyone acts in a selfish manner. Health workers excusing themselves is not different than TDs doing so, or Gardaí cancelling their own speeding tickets.

Most people making a good effort, but this lockdown is being kept going by people acting the maggot.



And of course most on this thread, and those giving out about this investigation do not give a damn about health workers as they oppose any effort to keep Covid numbers down.

josip

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Of course I can believe this. RTÉ ran a news item which implied that it was fine to go off hiking whenever it suited you. This type of hypocrisy sets a very bad example and health care workers are exactly the people that will suffer if everyone acts in a selfish manner. Health workers excusing themselves is not different than TDs doing so, or Gardaí cancelling their own speeding tickets.

Most people making a good effort, but this lockdown is being kept going by people acting the maggot.

And of course most on this thread, and those giving out about this investigation do not give a damn about health workers as they oppose any effort to keep Covid numbers down.

What many on this thread seem to be saying are that they've given up a lot for a long time to prevent our Victorian Health System from being overloaded.
In a couple of weeks time, when the health workers will have been fully vaccinated, we would like a bit of thought to be given to all those who have had to give up their job for the past year and to allow them to get back to work.

NIMAN

Probably posted already, but I see someone obviously got fed up that they can't leave their 5km limit, but 2 folk who rescued a dog and made the news were able to

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/boutique-lodge-stops-offering-mental-health-breaks-to-essential-front-line-workers-40111970.html

gozunda

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Very encouraging to read in this thread and other threads about amount of people that have given up following this restrictions nonsense.
I played some poker there last night with mates. I am the reason we are in level 5, and me alone
Do not let this nonsense get to you. Things will get better. If history is anything to go by the only time things change dramatically is when enough people are in poverty and enough are desperate. We are currently at a breaking point as a nation. Things will change very soon, much sooner than 9 weeks thats for sure.

Seriously? From day 1 you've been against any restrictions and generally against any public health advice issued.

So is it any surprise you haven't changed your opinion and despite 4000 deaths and over 200000 cases - you're still pushing the same rubbish even with Ireland winning the accolade of having the highest rate of covid infection in the world in January. For which we're still paying the penalty...

gozunda

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well, as another poster quiet rightly pointed out...we'll be in level 5 until at least May any way so we might as well not give a damn anymore....

I've a family dinner tomorrow, I see my neighbour has a load of friends over tonight for the first time in months...Martin f**ked up being the useless f**k up he is!!!!

I believe you already know that's a big pile of cow manure ...

Varadkar: Taoiseach did not say Level 5 would last until May

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40230062.html

bluelamp

emo72 wrote: »

and then letting flights in from Brazil bringing more viruses.

Ireland has had the largest reduction in air travel of any European country, and all arriving passengers require a negative PCR test now. Our cases were far lower at times when passenger numbers were much higher. We have never had less arriving passengers than we do now - that's a fact.

I find it extremely hard to believe that three Brazilian cases have had any significant effect on our case numbers.

Funny how we were told at the very start that we wouldn't be referring to it any longer as the "Chinese coronavirus" as it was culturally insensitive and places blame on a population.

Yet here here we are with the government referring to the English variant, South african variant, Brazilian variant.

I think the announcement of the Brazilian variant was the usual Friday evening misery to scare people into compliance.

It has been blame blame blame from the get go by the government, and the pretty much insignificant number of international travellers is now the latest. If travel is the issue why are we doing so much worse than countries that haven't restricted travel nearly as much?

The public are copping on to this tactic finally. The policy of lockdowns and a blame culture isn't working.

We can blame anything we want - variants, house parties, travel, northern Irish builders, the UK, teenagers etc etc - but the fact is - it's gotten us nowhere a year later.

NeuralNetwork

The vaccine programme needs to be the absolute focus and whatever it needs to work at maximum speed both in Ireland and at the EU side of that supply chain needs to be given to it.

Hopefully that is happening, but we need to think of this as an investment in time. The more we put into the vaccine programme the more economic and social benefits we get back.

It’s not a zero sum budget allocation. It’s an investment that pays huge dividends in opening up society sooner.

Realistically, there is no non-technical way out of this mess.

The virus is genuinely too problematic, transmissible and dangerous to have any notion of living with it.

We aren’t realistically able to entirely seal the borders, but we should be doing a lot more to close them fully to any high risk places. That cannot be messed around with and rules can’t be bent by any vested interest. The costs of screwing that up aren’t small & will outweigh any notion of short term gain.

I think we need to get a bit real and stop this notion of “living with covid”. It’s absolute b/s and we need to be in a technical elimination strategy which is primarily about vaccines, but also treatments and pragmatic border controls.

Think of it as every week we shorten this by is an extra week of economic activity won back and that’s even without counting the very significant social gains too.

LineOfBeauty

I don't think it's wrong to ask what level of the population needs to be vaccinated until things are opened up to a normal/near normal degree. A bit of transparency and maybe actually giving the public a target number might improve the mood and mental health of people?

46 Long

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

I think we need to get a bit real and stop this notion of “living with covid”. It’s absolute b/s and we need to be in a technical elimination strategy which is primarily about vaccines, but also treatments and pragmatic border controls.

There is no eliminating Covid19.

No way, no how, no hope.

It's here and we're just going to have to come to terms with it. We do not live in a utopia where illness can be willed out of existence and no amount of heavy-handed NPIs and repression of basic civil liberties are going to prevent this virus from becoming endemic.