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When will it all end?

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  • #3542
    GazzaL
    Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    beauf wrote: »
    We do do that. You're only allowed in certain places, have to pass a difficult test, get a licence, get insurance, have medicals all sorts of rules and regulations.

    We have had different levels of lockdown with different level of risk.

    It's official, the pro-lockdown crowd have lost the plot.

    I said "We don't ban motor vehicles" and you say "We do do that". ****ing hell, when was the last time you even looked out a window at a road?


  • #3543
    tommybrees
    Registered Users Posts: 389 ✭✭tommybrees


    end of the road wrote: »
    nope, the protest against water charges had wide spread support thankfully as water charges are unjust.
    protesting against public health measures on the other hand during a pandemic to deal with said pandemic isn't going to have the same support.

    Wide spread support because everybody knew where it would end up and hit them in the pocket. Take away the PUP and supports you'll see what happens.
    And to believe that its OK to protest against water charges but not for civil liberty or constitution/human rights is ridiculous.




    because it does absolutely nothing in terms of controlling the virus, and you don't know exactly who or how many people have it due to asymptomatic cases.

    CASES mean nothing if they tested people for being total clowns we would have huge numbers also.


  • #3544
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,117 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    GazzaL wrote: »
    Banning motor vehicles would reduce road accidents and deaths. Why don't we do that? There are acceptable levels of risk.

    If you choose to lock yourself inside to avoid any risks associated with contact with the outside world, knock yourself out. You're having a ****ing laugh if you think everyone else is going to do the same.




    and as already stated the car argument has failed because there are all sorts in place to deal with as much as is practical, the issues caused by cars.
    just like there are things in place to deal with as much as is possible the effects of covid.
    the acceptable amount of risk is already part of the restrictions.

    tara2k wrote: »
    Does it? Dublin and the vast majority of the country, was not in lockdown last summer, and the number of cases was less that it is now, after two months of level 5 lockdown.




    yes, we had reduced the amount of cases such that we could open quite a bit, thanks to lock down.
    cases did rise some bit in certain parts hence local restrictions were brought in for a time.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • #3545
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,278 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Scotty # wrote: »
    Perhaps you should read the WHO's stance on lockdowns? They don't advise against them an in fact say they are often necessary but can have a negative impact on disadvantaged communities.

    I did, read what Mike Ryan said the other day, he's pretty clear, the lockdown should be on the sick and their contacts. The rest of us should not be restricted.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0217/1197553-trocaire-mike-ryan/


  • #3546
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    tara2k wrote: »
    Does it? Dublin and the vast majority of the country, was not in lockdown last summer, and the number of cases was less that it is now, after two months of level 5 lockdown.

    Things have changed. What worked back then was blown out of the water by Xmas. It's built up a head of steam now that won't be easy to get back under control. Level 5 on its current form might not be enough on is own. Not to say it can't be changed to work better and be less debilitating.


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  • #3547
    beauf
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I did, read what Mike Ryan said the other day, he's pretty clear, the lockdown should be on the sick and their contacts. The rest of us should not be restricted.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0217/1197553-trocaire-mike-ryan/

    So lockdown people who can get tested and prove they didn't have it. Not lockdown people who may have it and likely to spread it.

    Actually he said more than that..
    On Ireland's approach to Covid-19, he said the Irish people had done well to crush the curve three times, which he noted had been done quite quickly on each occasion.

    While he said Ireland allowed itself get into that situation, the country was probably more efficient than others at shutting down the transmission when it reached a certain level.
    ...Reopening society will need to be managed carefully...


  • #3548
    tommybrees
    Registered Users Posts: 389 ✭✭tommybrees


    End of the road like has been said many times, if you wanna stay home and stay safe then your quite welcome all the best to you. By let the people who wanna play sports play, let the kids who wanna go to school go to school, those who wanna get a drink or dinner etc etc that's there business.
    You live your life and let others live there's.


  • #3549
    Scotty #
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    I did, read what Mike Ryan said the other day, he's pretty clear, the lockdown should be on the sick and their contacts. The rest of us should not be restricted.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0217/1197553-trocaire-mike-ryan/
    Nowhere in that article does he say lockdowns are not necessary. On the contrary , he commends Ireland for getting control back quite quickly on three occasions, which we did through lockdowns.


  • #3550
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,278 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Scotty # wrote: »
    Nowhere in that article does he say lockdowns are not necessary. On the contrary , he commends Ireland for getting control back quite quickly on three occasions, which we did through lockdowns.

    "I've said this since the beginning, if you focus on cases, contacts and clusters, if you focus on restricting the movement of those who are sick or their contacts then you don't have to restrict the movement of all of society", he said.


  • #3551
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,117 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    tommybrees wrote: »
    CASES mean nothing if they tested people for being total clowns we would have huge numbers also.




    the only thing that would happen with PUP removal is people in poverty.
    it would not change anything in terms of restrictions or support for them as most know why they need to exist.
    protesting for constitution is pointless as the 1947 public health act is likely constitutional.
    protesting for civil liberties and human rights is pointless in this case as we have to restrict civil liberties to uphold human rights.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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  • #3552
    GazzaL
    Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    "I've said this since the beginning, if you focus on cases, contacts and clusters, if you focus on restricting the movement of those who are sick or their contacts then you don't have to restrict the movement of all of society", he said.

    Quoted, so they'll have to read the big print twice.

    The Government, NPHET, and the HSE have failed to implement a proper testing and contact tracing system. Contrary to what the pro-lockdown crowd claim, every time Johnny or Mary travels more than 5km from home, a granny doesn't die.


  • #3553
    Scotty #
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    "I've said this since the beginning, if you focus on cases, contacts and clusters, if you focus on restricting the movement of those who are sick or their contacts then you don't have to restrict the movement of all of society", he said.

    From the same article you've referenced..
    Dr Mike Ryan who received Trócaire's Romero Award at an online ceremony today said "if societies open up, the virus will spread again and it will cause massive disruption".


  • #3554
    GazzaL
    Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    Scotty # wrote: »
    From the same article you've referenced..

    which is why we need to "focus on restricting the movement of those who are sick or their contacts then you don't have to restrict the movement of all of society" and why the failure to implement a robust contact tracing system is scandalous.


  • #3555
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    "I've said this since the beginning, if you focus on cases, contacts and clusters, if you focus on restricting the movement of those who are sick or their contacts then you don't have to restrict the movement of all of society", he said.

    Unfortunately their contracts could be a massive number of people. If you could find out who they are. Which you can't.


  • #3556
    GazzaL
    Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    It's amazing that even with vaccines being rolled out, the pro-lockdown crowd are still demanding permanent lockdowns.


  • #3557
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,117 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    tommybrees wrote: »
    End of the road like has been said many times, if you wanna stay home and stay safe then your quite welcome all the best to you. By let the people who wanna play sports play, let the kids who wanna go to school go to school, those who wanna get a drink or dinner etc etc that's there business.
    You live your life and let others live there's.

    your grand thanks, apart from getting the kids back to school as soon as we can, letting people do the rest and turning the country into a basket case with a crashed health system unable to treat anyone is something i think most wil give a miss, thanks.
    you can get a drink and have dinner at home, much cheaper and more tastey.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • #3558
    ujjjjjjjjj
    Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    GazzaL wrote: »
    Trying to reason with the pro-lockdown crowd is like trying to reason with flat earthers.

    The most sensible and accurate post on this entire thread.......


  • #3559
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    GazzaL wrote: »
    It's official, the pro-lockdown crowd have lost the plot.

    I said "We don't ban motor vehicles" and you say "We do do that". ****ing hell, when was the last time you even looked out a window at a road?

    Cars are not allowed everywhere. They are banned from closed roads and pedestrian areas for example. They are controlled. Maybe You've never seen that. Or just ignore those rules. Seems likely.


  • #3560
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »
    The most sensible and accurate post on this entire thread.......

    My favourite was everywhere is closed and you're not allowed to do anything.


  • #3561
    ujjjjjjjjj
    Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    beauf wrote: »
    My favourite was everywhere is closed and you're not allowed to do anything.

    You are a barrell of laughs !! :)


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  • #3562
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,278 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    beauf wrote: »
    Cars are not allowed everywhere. They are banned from closed roads and pedestrian areas for example. They are controlled.

    Come on that's like saying JCB's aren't allowed in swimming pools. They are controlled.


  • #3563
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    GazzaL wrote: »
    It's amazing that even with vaccines being rolled out, the pro-lockdown crowd are still demanding permanent lockdowns.

    The anti lockdown crowd want anarchy and no rules and regulations on anything, including cars. :)


  • #3564
    Scotty #
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,772 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    GazzaL wrote: »
    It's amazing that even with vaccines being rolled out, the pro-lockdown crowd are still demanding permanent lockdowns.
    No body is 'pro lockdown'. I think everyone wants to see the back of them but twice we've seen the result of opening things back up before we should have.

    The main objective of lockdowns is to keep our health service functioning, nothing more.


  • #3565
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Come on that's like saying JCB's aren't allowed in swimming pools. They are controlled.

    I think you're digging a hole for yourself.

    Do you want JCBs in swimming pools?


  • #3566
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,117 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    GazzaL wrote: »
    It's amazing that even with vaccines being rolled out, the pro-lockdown crowd are still demanding permanent lockdowns.


    can you provide examples of, and links to people calling for permanent lock downs?
    simply calling for a lock down in the past or a lock down for a short amount of time won't be acceptable, it has to be someone or someones calling for actual permanent lock downs.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • #3567
    ujjjjjjjjj
    Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Come on that's like saying JCB's aren't allowed in swimming pools. They are controlled.

    Agreed. And planes can't land on the M50.....

    Think the whole ban cars and we have no road deaths is a facile example but it is relevant as it clearly illustrates society is prepared to tolerate death and serious injury in a limited way so we can live......

    Bit like for most people under the age of 65 Covid isn't a risk worth thinking about but we have society shut down.....because no one can admit we panicked and have got it totally wrong.


  • #3568
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Scotty # wrote: »
    No body is 'pro lockdown'. I think everyone wants to see the back of them but twice we've seen the result of opening things back up before we should have.

    The main objective of lockdowns is to keep our health service functioning, nothing more.

    I'm not sure the pro Covid crowd get it...


  • #3569
    ujjjjjjjjj
    Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    beauf wrote: »
    I think you're digging a hole for yourself.

    Do you want JCBs in swimming pools?

    Well they are quite handy when you building a swimming pool so maybe we should reword this one.


  • #3570
    ujjjjjjjjj
    Registered Users Posts: 923 ✭✭✭ujjjjjjjjj


    beauf wrote: »
    I'm not sure the pro Covid crowd get it...

    Is this a new faction you have made up ? Haven't heard of the Pro Covid crowd ?


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  • #3571
    GazzaL
    Registered Users Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    Scotty # wrote: »
    No body is 'pro lockdown'. I think everyone wants to see the back of them but twice we've seen the result of opening things back up before we should have.

    The main objective of lockdowns is to keep our health service functioning, nothing more.

    Our health service is barely functional at the best of times. We might as well permanently shut the country down and burn the place to the ground if that's the metric.

    The pro-lockdown crowd offer absolutely nothing. Even when cases were in single digits, they were crowing for more restrictions. Confronted with facts, acceptable risk, any criticism of our failed testing and contact tracing system, or solutions to avoid full-scale national lockdowns, they don't want to know.


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