When will it all end?

DaSilva

Scotty # wrote: »

That's in conjunction with all the other lockdown measures.

You'll find everything you need to know about AstraZeneca here. And the official pdf here. From page 7...

Vaccine efficacy was 62.6% (95% CI: 50.9; 71.5) in participants receiving two recommended doses with any dose interval (ranging from 3 to 23 weeks), in a pre-specified analysis.

Have you actually read that properly? You do understand the endpoint being measured for that 62%? Saying that some 40% of vaccinated people get no benefit is a total misunderstanding. Almost all vaccine recipients show an immune response, clearly in some it doesn't seem to be enough to prevent disease completely but the evidence is mounting that it prevents hospitalisation and death in a higher percentage than 62%.

From now on people will be getting sick from this virus, that's the new normal, with the vaccine though it looks like you won't end up in hospital for it

Ginger n Lemon

Irish Stones wrote: »

So they don't work? Then why keep using them?
It is also possible that they seem not to work because several people don't wear them properly or at all.

I agree with you. if only people stopped being selfish and put on 3 - 4 masks on at the same time to reduce transmission to 89%, we would be long out of restrictions now.


:rolleyes:

beauf

Irish Stones wrote: »

So they don't work? Then why keep using them?
It is also possible that they seem not to work because several people don't wear them properly or at all.

Its not the lockdown that doesn't work.
Its what happens after it the restrictions is eased.
Then the difficulties of getting the horse back in the stable.

Irish Stones

beauf wrote: »

https://www.boredpanda.com/social-distance-concert-sam-fender-newcastle-festival/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

Not that the other two link show a utopic world, but this article shows something more similar to cattle pens than a concert.

Irish Stones

AdamD wrote: »

You'd have to be a sociopath to not realise why social distancing needs to be dropped the minute its no longer absolutely neccesary

If it were for me, I would have dropped most if not all these measure since the beginning, I hate them all.
I'm only saying that if something is proved to work, it is highly possible tha tit will be maintained, even if in a different form.

I was browsing old newspapers a week ago, and saw that in the last long pandemic (1957-1960), apparently no restrictions were put in plac and peole kept doing what they were used to do.
How comes?

beauf

Irish Stones wrote: »

Not that the other two link show a utopic world, but this article shows something more similar to cattle pens than a concert.

People comparing a nightclub or concert to Cattle Market.
That's never happened before.

paw patrol

Multipass wrote: »

Comparing Sweden to its neighbours is just nonsense - they have far more immigration and dense low income housing. Norway is much richer, lower population density and not bound by EU rules regarding movement of people.

comparing 2 countries is kinda a fools errand.
comparing a group of countries like EU is better , it tends to iron out any unique traits a country have.

Irish Stones

beauf wrote: »

People comparing a nightclub or concert to Cattle Market.
That's never happened before.

Well, those photos are more similar to a cattle market for sure.

ujjjjjjjjj

DaSilva wrote: »

Have you actually read that properly? You do understand the endpoint being measured for that 62%? Saying that some 40% of vaccinated people get no benefit is a total misunderstanding. Almost all vaccine recipients show an immune response, clearly in some it doesn't seem to be enough to prevent disease completely but the evidence is mounting that it prevents hospitalisation and death in a higher percentage than 62%.

From now on people will be getting sick from this virus, that's the new normal, with the vaccine though it looks like you won't end up in hospital for it

Look the scared sheep don't want to hear about it, unless they are 100% guaranteed that this vaccine stops every covid infection, stops transmission and banishes Covid to Pluto they don't want to hear about it......

We are all entitled to live till 105 with no illness or sickness and anything else just isn't good enough. Lockdown should continue until no one is sick ever.

The reality is these vaccines are very effective after one does and incredibly effective after two doses. And by effective time I mean keeping you out of hospital or dieing. I couldn't care less about Covid if it simply gives old folk a cold like illness.

beauf

Irish Stones wrote: »

....
I was browsing old newspapers a week ago, and saw that in the last long pandemic (1957-1960), apparently no restrictions were put in plac and peole kept doing what they were used to do.
How comes?

They didn't really know any better.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(2031201-0/fulltext

beauf

Irish Stones wrote: »

Well, those photos are more similar to a cattle market for sure.

Whatever works...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZW4Ska8gvA&ab_channel=FloridaDairy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IypL_EcI9XE&ab_channel=RumbleViral

Ginger n Lemon

Live BOJO announcement

Ginger n Lemon

Stage one will see: all schools in England reopen on 8 March; outdoor socialising with one person also permitted; from 29 March, up to a maximum of six people or two households can meet outside, and outdoor sports facilities can reopen.

Shops, hairdressers, gyms and outdoor hospitality from 12 April as lockdown ended in five-week intervals.

From 17 May 'rule of six' abolished outdoors and replaced by maximum gathering of 30; two households can meet indoors.

Cinemas, hotels, performances and sporting events also restart at this point - including up to 10,000 fans in largest stadiums.

All measures potentially ended on 21 June

All dates dependent on four tests being met: vaccination targets, vaccine reducing hospitalisation and deaths, pressure on NHS and variants
Staggered reopening of schools starts in Wales and Scotland today
Vaccine rollout linked to 85% and 94% drop in risk of COVID hospital admissions in Scotland, study shows


If we can follow this + - 1 to 2 weeks Id be happy.

beauf

How far behind the UK are we with Vaccinations.

dublin_paul

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

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If we can follow this + - 1 to 2 weeks Id be happy.

Huh? What makes you think we can do that? We won't. Our vaccine administration isn't even comparable to the UKs.

Scotty #

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

The reality is these vaccines are very effective after one does and incredibly effective after two doses.

They are scientifically and precisely measured as to how effective they are and in the case of AstraZeneca it's 62%. You can' t argue with that. That's the result of the tests. They may further develop it and improve it, but that's were we are today.

If you think that's going to be enough to illuminate lockdowns then you're in for a big disappointment.

We all want lockdowns to end but some have a completely unrealistic expectations of where we are heading over the next 12-18 months.

the kelt

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Stage one will see: all schools in England reopen on 8 March; outdoor socialising with one person also permitted; from 29 March, up to a maximum of six people or two households can meet outside, and outdoor sports facilities can reopen.

Shops, hairdressers, gyms and outdoor hospitality from 12 April as lockdown ended in five-week intervals.

From 17 May 'rule of six' abolished outdoors and replaced by maximum gathering of 30; two households can meet indoors.

Cinemas, hotels, performances and sporting events also restart at this point - including up to 10,000 fans in largest stadiums.

All measures potentially ended on 21 June

All dates dependent on four tests being met: vaccination targets, vaccine reducing hospitalisation and deaths, pressure on NHS and variants
Staggered reopening of schools starts in Wales and Scotland today
Vaccine rollout linked to 85% and 94% drop in risk of COVID hospital admissions in Scotland, study shows


If we can follow this + - 1 to 2 weeks Id be happy.

All measures potentially ended on 21st June!!!!

Genuinely we have booked a week in Center Parcs Longford in August and from listening to leaks from our crowd we arent even sure we will get to take it!

Ginger n Lemon

dublin_paul wrote: »

Huh? What makes you think we can do that? We won't. Our vaccine administration isn't even comparable to the UKs.

Low number of cases and 0 - 2 daily deaths. I dont see level 5 powering through for months on end when 1 person dies with covid per day. WITH.

Vaccines should aid reduction in cases and should very much eliminate deaths with covid more or less.

dublin_paul

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Low number of cases and 0 - 2 daily deaths. I dont see level 5 powering through for months on end when 1 person dies with covid per day. WITH.

Vaccines should aid reduction in cases and should very much eliminate deaths with covid more or less.

You said follow the UK +- 2 weeks. We won't be at level 5 for months but we sure won't be dropping restrictions anywhere near the speed the UK does.

FlubberJones

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Stage one will see: all schools in England reopen on 8 March; outdoor socialising with one person also permitted; from 29 March, up to a maximum of six people or two households can meet outside, and outdoor sports facilities can reopen.

Shops, hairdressers, gyms and outdoor hospitality from 12 April as lockdown ended in five-week intervals.

From 17 May 'rule of six' abolished outdoors and replaced by maximum gathering of 30; two households can meet indoors.

Cinemas, hotels, performances and sporting events also restart at this point - including up to 10,000 fans in largest stadiums.

All measures potentially ended on 21 June

All dates dependent on four tests being met: vaccination targets, vaccine reducing hospitalisation and deaths, pressure on NHS and variants
Staggered reopening of schools starts in Wales and Scotland today
Vaccine rollout linked to 85% and 94% drop in risk of COVID hospital admissions in Scotland, study shows


If we can follow this + - 1 to 2 weeks Id be happy.

Us just been reading this news, the UK are light years ahead now and the people are benefitting because of this.
As all of my family are there they are all really excited to see and hear this...
Hopefully I can travel over there sometime in early May for a long weekend.

ujjjjjjjjj

Scotty # wrote: »

They are scientifically and precisely measured as to how effective they are and in the case of AstraZeneca it's 62%. You can' t argue with that. That's the result of the tests. They may further develop it and improve it, but that's were we are today.

If you think that's going to be enough to illuminate lockdowns then you're in for a big disappointment.

We all want lockdowns to end but some have a completely unrealistic expectations of where we are heading over the next 12-18 months.

I think you need to go and do some reading. All the vaccines are showing much higher efficacy levels at keeping you out of hospital and death. If 38% of people who catch covid despite having a vaccine (using the 62% figure above) but only get a mild illness and staybout of hospital what is the problem ?

Answer none whatsoever.......

I repeat again this is an endemic virus we need to move on and live with it just like the flu, colds, novo viruses, bacterial infections, hair lice, AIDS, the clap and quite frankly anything else you can transfer from one human to another.

Because once hospitalisations are low and deaths low it really isn't any different to a cold. Vaccines will do this.

plodder

Interesting graph of worldwide infections (new cases per day) in the New York Times. Infection rates plummeting in the UK and US, which you'd imagine must be partly down to vaccination. More modest reduction in Europe, and still trundling along in the rest of the world. Of course, actual infection levels in the rest of the world are probably under estimated.

ujjjjjjjjj

dublin_paul wrote: »

You said follow the UK +- 2 weeks. We won't be at level 5 for months but we sure won't be dropping restrictions anywhere near the speed the UK does.

Well you are probably right due to the pathetic speed of the EU vaccine roleout and a hysterical approach to this virus from NPHET and our spineless politicians.

Ginger n Lemon

plodder wrote: »

Interesting graph of worldwide infections in the New York Times. Infection rates plummeting in the UK and US, which you'd imagine must be partly down to vaccination. More modest reduction in Europe, and still trundling along in the rest of the world. Of course, actual infection levels in the rest of the world are probably under estimated.

Reasons to be optimistic.

I for 1 appreciate vaccines are priceless getting out of this, but will we really be locked up while 1 person a day dies with covid, while our mediocre vaccine efforts are ongoing?

I mean Mehole is crazy enough but is he that batshi* crazy??

ujjjjjjjjj

beauf wrote: »

How far behind the UK are we with Vaccinations.

They have vaccinated over one third of all adults over the age of 18 so the answer is miles behind......

Ginger n Lemon

The longer our lockdown exit is dragged out the less compliance there will be.

Last year we came out of 2 lockdowns, purely because cases were down (through either reduced testing or high compliance or mix of both).

Now our cases are small, our deaths yesterday was like 1 person. Vaccines are being rolled out daily.

Open the country and the pubs! :pac:

FlubberJones

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

The longer our lockdown exit is dragged out the less compliance there will be.

Last year we came out of 2 lockdowns, purely because cases were down (through either reduced testing or high compliance or mix of both).

Now our cases are small, our deaths yesterday was like 1 person. Vaccines are being rolled out daily.

Open the country and the pubs! :pac:

Agreed, it is surely time to start giving the people some space otherwise they will start taking it....

Been so long without a pub I would be confused.... and leathered from the excitement rather than the booze.

Ginger n Lemon

FlubberJones wrote: »

Agreed, it is surely time to start giving the people some space otherwise they will start taking it....

Been so long without a pub I would be confused.... and leathered from the excitement rather than the booze.

Euros will be a strange affair. Full stadiums in UK, empty Aviva stadium here. :rolleyes:

Le Bruise

the kelt wrote: »

All measures potentially ended on 21st June!!!!

Genuinely we have booked a week in Center Parcs Longford in August and from listening to leaks from our crowd we arent even sure we will get to take it!

Snap. We're going there in August too. If we're not allowed domestic holidays by that point, something's gone seriously wrong!!

MacoSW

Hi all, first post in the COVID section for me, but I can't find many answers from whatever MM or Leo say...
MM said it will remain as it is for the next few months or so because "the coronavirus numbers are far too high" and Leo and Donnelly usually say the same.
My questions are:
What number is too high? Hospitalizations? Deaths? Infections?
What is our objective? What number would be considered good?
Like, I would like to read the news and say "wow this is good news, only X number of Y"

Now it's all numbers and I don't know what to make of anything. I no longer know what number of anything is good other than zero. I would really like to know when I will be able to visit my mom without paying another fine.