When will it all end?

Quazzie

kwestfan08 wrote: »

Selfish to want to provide for their families? Selfish to be under the real threat of losing a business they’ve built up over 5, 10, 25 years? That they’ve poured blood, sweat, late nights, early mornings into. I for one wouldn’t call it selfish to worry about that and not some random old person they’ve never met before.

To put money (no matter whose) before a life (no matter whose) is not only selfish, but extremely sociopathic

Ray Donovan

ingo1984 wrote: »

Health minister was on newstalk this morning. Said by end of March they will have 700,000 people vaccinated. That includes all nursing home residents, all healthcare staff and all over 70s.

By the end of June a further 1.8 million will be vaccinated that will result in levels 1-13 of their vaccination agenda covered. So essentially 50% of the population covered by end of June.

I hope that end of march once the most vulnerable are vaccinated will see us move to level 3, never darken the door of level 5 again.

The after q2 vaccine rollout hopefully move into level 1/2 with focus on a proper, robust, track and trace system.

Hopefully the end is in sight in the coming months.

Who in their right mind could be happy living in a Level 1 or Level 2 scenario if 50% of (95% of the vulnerable) are vaccinated. Is this what we are aiming for? Dear me.

Quazzie

Quazzie wrote: »

To put money (no matter whose) before a life (no matter whose) is not only selfish, but extremely sociopathic

That is utter nonsense, and insulting to all those struggling to provide for their families

polesheep

Quazzie wrote: »

To put money (no matter whose) before a life (no matter whose) is not only selfish, but extremely sociopathic

Any money you currently have could be used to save the lives of starving people. I take it that you will be handing it over pronto.

TomTomTim

Quazzie wrote: »

To put money (no matter whose) before a life (no matter whose) is not only selfish, but extremely sociopathic

Without money, without a way to live in some comfort, many people will end up killing themselves. How does that factor into your oh so compassionate analysis?

ArahSureLookIt

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Who in their right mind could be happy living in a Level 1 or Level 2 scenario if 50% of (95% of the vulnerable) are vaccinated. Is this what we are aiming for? Dear me.

Completely agree

ginoginelli

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Who in their right mind could be happy living in a Level 1 or Level 2 scenario if 50% of (95% of the vulnerable) are vaccinated. Is this what we are aiming for? Dear me.

50 percent can still overwhelm our limited healthcare system. Better to keep the really high risk stuff like nightclubs, indoor dining etc off the table until we have reached a safer threshold.

Le Bruise

ginoginelli wrote: »

50 percent can still overwhelm are limited healthcare system. Better to keep the really high risk stuff like nightclubs, indoor dining etc off the table until we have reached a safer threshold.

With the most vulnerable (plus change) 50% of the population vaccinated, the healthcare system should not be overwhelmed, however limited it may be.

Le Bruise

Le Bruise wrote: »

With the most vulnerable (plus change) 50% of the population vaccinated, the healthcare system should not be overwhelmed, however limited it may be.

Agreed. SAGE in the UK anticipate 90% reduction in hospitalisations when vulnerable are vaccinated in mid Feb

kwestfan08

Quazzie wrote: »

To put money (no matter whose) before a life (no matter whose) is not only selfish, but extremely sociopathic

You’ll be handing your notice in and going to dedicate your life to helping others then so I take it.

Drifter50

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Your second paragraph is very cold, and I’d hate to think that many would think like that. We will hopefully all get old. Would you want the same to apply to you once you are of pension age?

Maybe cold but very realistic. Im not sure about what circles you mix in but €350 per week just does`nt cut it. Huge numbers of the working population are drowning in debt at the moment and its only increasing. I`m on the PUP for the 3rd time and when I spoke to the bank about my loans last week they told me that as the government had not issued any instructions to the bank since the start of this lockdown she would get someone to call me. Guess what, no call back. Also I received a call from Bord Gais credit control last Friday. I can`t believe that a state company is chasing accounts in the middle of this. Do these people live on a different planet

Paddygreen

Just back guys, went to Spar, didn’t buy any essentials then kept on walking until I was deep into the north side. Had some tokes and a couple of cans down by the canal with some decos, didn’t socially distance. Don’t know what came over me, strayed well beyond my allowed excercise circle. Thinking of handing myself in. I stopped holding firm briefly and I’m willing to accept my punishment.

Dr. Bre

Paddygreen wrote: »

Just back guys, went to Spar, didn’t buy any essentials then kept on walking until I was deep into the north side. Had some tokes and a couple of cans down by the canal with some decos, didn’t socially distance. Don’t know what came over me, strayed well beyond my allowed excercise circle. Thinking of handing myself in. I stopped holding firm briefly and I’m willing to accept my punishment.

Hope you wore a mask

Paddygreen

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Hope you wore a mask

I had unprotected socialisation.

JDD

Le Bruise wrote: »

With the most vulnerable (plus change) 50% of the population vaccinated, the healthcare system should not be overwhelmed, however limited it may be.

Well this is a $64,000 question.

Say we have all over 55's and all vulnerable and all HCW vaccinated by end May. Let's assume there was a large take up of the vaccinations.

That leaves 2.5m people unvaccinated. Now, hardly any school age children are hospitalised, so take 1m off that number.

Then we have 1.5m left, of which - at a generous estimate - perhaps 2-300k have natural immunity from having covid over the past year (perhaps asymptomatic).

Can our hospitals cope with us opening completely, with no social distancing regulations or limits on indoor/outdoor gatherings, while 1.2m 20-50 year olds are unvaccinated?

The answer is....probably. It's lucky it's summer because it'll be easier to keep infections lower with outdoor socialising. But it will depend on the number of healthy people from that age group that are hospitalised over this surge period. Anecdotally, there is a larger percentage of 30-50 year olds being hospitalised than in the last big wave in March. If we model that figure upwards to say that the virus will spread with an R rate of say 4 to 5 in a completely restriction free environment, taking into account that more people will be vaccinated as the summer goes on and the fact that good weather keeps infections naturally low, what will our hospitalisation rate be?

I'll wager that we would just about cope over June and July at Level 0, but it really will depend on how this second big surge is effecting healthy 20-50 year olds.

beachhead

ingo1984 wrote: »

Health minister was on newstalk this morning. Said by end of March they will have 700,000 people vaccinated. That includes all nursing home residents, all healthcare staff and all over 70s.

By the end of June a further 1.8 million will be vaccinated that will result in levels 1-13 of their vaccination agenda covered. So essentially 50% of the population covered by end of June.

I hope that end of march once the most vulnerable are vaccinated will see us move to level 3, never darken the door of level 5 again.

The after q2 vaccine rollout hopefully move into level 1/2 with focus on a proper, robust, track and trace system.

Hopefully the end is in sight in the coming months.

Fantasy figures from a magic wand waver

Cerveza

Hospitality including wet pubs will be fully open by May and none of that substantial meal mythology either. Stools back at the counter. We just need to keep it in our panties for a few more weeks.

46 Long

Paddygreen wrote: »

Just back guys, went to Spar, didn’t buy any essentials then kept on walking until I was deep into the north side. Had some tokes and a couple of cans down by the canal with some decos, didn’t socially distance. Don’t know what came over me, strayed well beyond my allowed excercise circle. Thinking of handing myself in. I stopped holding firm briefly and I’m willing to accept my punishment.

Thoughts and prayers Paddy. Might be time to get stuck into the emergency Galahad rations.

Paddygreen

Paddygreen wrote: »

Just back guys, went to Spar, didn’t buy any essentials then kept on walking until I was deep into the north side. Had some tokes and a couple of cans down by the canal with some decos, didn’t socially distance. Don’t know what came over me, strayed well beyond my allowed excercise circle. Thinking of handing myself in. I stopped holding firm briefly and I’m willing to accept my punishment.

Your punishment will be 10 Our Tonys and 10 Hail Philips.

Purple Mountain

Paddygreen wrote: »

I had unprotected socialisation.

Were you celebrating your anniversary in style?

GT89

My prediction is 2021 will be one of the worst years in history but also one of the best.

GT89

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Covid has kicked the winter flu's ass, not heard a single case of it since March 2020.

There is no flu cases because everyone is masked and social distancing

Covid cases are on the up because people aren't wearing masks and social distancing

Airyfairy12

I am cracking up!! Wish they would hurry up with the vaccine, other countries have millions of people vaccinated already, we've not even vaccinated all the elderly and healthcare workers yet. What is taking them so long?

Airyfairy12

GT89 wrote: »

There is no flu cases because everyone is masked and social distancing

Covid cases are on the up because people aren't wearing masks and social distancing

Almost everyone got the flu vaccine this year, its normally only given to people who are vulnerable or old.

GT89

Airyfairy12 wrote: »

Almost everyone got the flu vaccine this year, its normally only given to people who are vulnerable or old.

I didn't

mcsean2163

Surely the vaccine will be rolled out to the vulnerable in a few months and then back to normal?

All finished in may?

kravmaga

Speakerboxx wrote: »

When will things go back to normal?

With vaccines now available will we be here In January 2022 with covid dominating the news headlines? I would love to know.

In my opinion this year is bollixed also, we will not reach herd immunity until 2022 according to the WHO sources.

Travel industry and trade will continue to be badly affected until 2023 or a worldwide passport for health is brought into play. Michael O'Leary form Ryanair has publicly stated that 2023 is when travel trade will get back to pre-covid volumes.

Covid-19 is a variant of the SARS virus, dont think Covid-19 will ever be totally eliminated , we will just learn to live with it.

kravmaga

partyguinness wrote: »

I am not sure what type of friends you have but nurses and A&E consultants do not joke about such matters. I have no reason to doubt experienced and very serious medical personal in separate conversations and based in three separate hospitals.

I am not entirely sure why some people find it so hard to believe. It really is not controversial.

Obviously, it may be a shock to some posters in Ireland but that is because you do not have large Asian or Muslim population so you are simply not familiar with the cultural quirks. If I was still living in Ireland, I wouldn’t have a clue either.

Ireland has 65,000 ++ Asian/ Muslims living here approx.

Whats the cultural quirk? Do tell?

I dont know any as they tend to keep to themselves and dont mix with the general irish population imo.

Chivito550

Quazzie wrote: »

Pointing out that figure is just reinforcement that lockdowns, and all the other measures do work. We avoided that figure due to the actions taken. You almost sound disappointed that more people didn't die.

Did 200,000 people die in Sweden?

Hector Savage

Quazzie wrote: »

To put money (no matter whose) before a life (no matter whose) is not only selfish, but extremely sociopathic

So should we reduce the speed limit to 20mph ? imagine the amount of lives saved !!!