When will it all end?

Micky 32

Scotty # wrote: »

No, not everyone, but there will be a section of society that will always err on the safe side and wear a mask whenever they are in close proximity to strangers like public transport, aeroplanes, events, etc.

First thing you're told when you get vaccinated.. "now you're still going to have to wear your mask".

I have totally nothing against people who want to maintain mask wearing etc it’s their decision.

bucketybuck

Micky 32 wrote: »

Yep, and i’ll say it again and stand by it. ICU’s won’t be packed with Covid 19 in October.

They will be packed with something else instead.

That seems to be the part you are ignoring. Our health service has always been at breaking point, I have posted it before but here is a headline from Dec 31st 2019:

Flu death toll rises as Ireland faces five more weeks in the danger zone:
Hospitals across the country are creaking at the seams

If Covid disappeared tomorrow our health service would still be at breaking point next winter, just as it was every other winter.

But what's different now is that for a full year we have been restricting society to help our "front line heroes", we have locked down and prevented people from living to ensure that our health service doesn't get overwhelmed.

And yet here you are telling us that in the future we won't lock down to ensure that our health service doesn't get overwhelmed. Really? Have you been asleep this past 9 months?

I guarantee that come next winter when hospitals will again be under non-covid pressure, there will be an inevitable cohort of do-gooders calling for NPHET to take action to protect our front line heroes and social media shaming of anybody who dares to push back against it. After all, who could possibly have a problem with wanting to protect older people...

seansouth36

Irish Stones wrote: »

And what about all the other pandemics after the Spanish Flu? How many restrictions did the authorities apply during them? And how hard were these compared to those we have now?

What other global pandemics were there? The fact that most people barely even know about the Spanish Flu (or any other pandemic) shows that the restrictions were lifted. In the case of more local pandemics such as Ebola, restrictions were far worse then there are in Ireland right now.

And what's the link between severity of restrictions the idea that they will continue after the pandemic ends?

VG31

VG31 wrote: »

I think the vast majority of young people will move on very quickly.
In the case of elderly people in particular, some may never fully move on. People who were too afraid to leave there houses over the last year are unlikely to suddenly go back to normal.

I agree.

It's the elderly I was referring to in the main. One reads about elderly people not having left the house once since March of last year.

VG31

seansouth36 wrote: »

People weren't wearing masks in restaurants or pubs last summer when there were no vaccines. Why in God's name would people be wearing masks in pubs/restaurants after this is over?

Last August/September 95% of people did the bare minimum with mask wearing, only wearing them where they were mandatory. Social distancing was much less apparent than last spring or this winter.

I'd be suprised if the same doesn't happen this summer. The seasonal decrease in cases over the next few months, along with vaccines means people will relax again.

Plumbthedepths

Scotty # wrote: »

Masks and social distancing will still be common place, maybe not because of restrictions but certainly (SOME) people will be more weary of germs, contamination, etc.

FTFY

drunkmonkey

Scotty # wrote: »

First thing you're told when you get vaccinated.. "now you're still going to have to wear your mask".

That's something they need to work on, I'm not vaccine sceptical but if that rule stays I don't see any point in getting a jab.
I really don't know how a lot of people are going to stop wearing them, I've met them in the burren, driving alone on Motorways, walking around town on a quite night, on the beach, their brains have been badly warped, not only have they a fear of people, it's also of the air space around them.

Scotty #

Micky 32 wrote: »

I have totally nothing against people who want to maintain mask wearing etc it’s their decision.

I think you're a little naive if you don't think we're going to be required to wear masks for at least the next 12 months. No matter how well the vaccines go there is still going to be the threat of outbreaks and possibly of outbreaks with variants. I'm not predicting there will be!! But they are going to very much err on the side of caution. This is going to be a VERY slow easing of restrictions.

Micky 32

bucketybuck wrote: »

They will be packed with something else instead.

That seems to be the part you are ignoring. Our health service has always been at breaking point, I have posted it before but here is a headline from Dec 31st 2019:

If Covid disappeared tomorrow our health service would still be at breaking point next winter, just as it was every other winter.

But what's different now is that for a full year we have been restricting society to help our "front line heroes", we have locked down and prevented people from living to ensure that our health service doesn't get overwhelmed.

And yet here you are telling us that in the future we won't lock down to ensure that our health service doesn't get overwhelmed. Really? Have you been asleep this past 9 months?

I guarantee that come next winter when hospitals will again be under non-covid pressure, there will be an inevitable cohort of do-gooders calling for NPHET to take action to protect our front line heroes and social media shaming of anybody who dares to push back against it. After all, who could possibly have a problem with wanting to protect older people...

Oh dear lots of hysteria today on the forum. I guess that’s why we were lockdown winter 2019, 2018, 2017 right?

seansouth36

seansouth36 wrote: »

I am curious what you "observed for months" that means "loads of people will never recover" from this. You keep coming out with bizarre statements (and things that are just factually incorrect).

Looking forward to seeing how you can extrapolate from personal observations that "loads of people will never recover."

You seem slightly unhinged.

People crossing the road to avoid walking past people on the footpath, elderly people who live alone wearing masks in their own home, people not having left the house once since March 2020. It will take those people a long time to recover in my opinion. It's not to be unhinged to hold that opinion.

Micky 32

Micky 32 wrote: »

Oh dear lots of hysteria today on the forum. I guess that’s why we were lockdown winter 2019, 2018, 2017 right?

But the difference is that a precedent has now been set. Varadkar said in an interview a few months ago that "we know what do with the flu now".

SnuggyBear

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

FTFY

Exactly. Some weridos will carry on with it but most people will go back normal quickly.

VG31

Scotty # wrote: »

First thing you're told when you get vaccinated.. "now you're still going to have to wear your mask".

The primary reason for that is you can't have vaccinated people going around not wearing masks. You'd inevitably have unvaccinated people claiming they'd got their vaccines to not have to wear a mask.

Transmission looks to be drastically reduced so the scientific argument for wearing a mask after vaccination is limited.

j@utis

seansouth36 wrote: »

People weren't wearing masks in restaurants or pubs last summer when there were no vaccines. Why in God's name would people be wearing masks in pubs/restaurants after this is over?

Because last summer we didn't how much good mask wearing does, now we have that data, vaccines or not, masks are here to stay. Enjoy.

Scotty #

VG31 wrote: »

The primary reason for that is you can't have vaccinated people going around not wearing masks. You'd inevitably have unvaccinated people claiming they'd got their vaccines to not have to wear a mask.

No... primary reason is you're not protected.

seansouth36

Deleted User wrote: »

People crossing the road to avoid walking past people on the footpath, elderly people who live alone wearing masks in their own home, people not having left the house once since March 2020. It will take those people a long time to recover in my opinion. It's not to be unhinged to hold that opinion.

You know someone who lives alone and wears a mask when alone in the house and hasn't left their home since March last year? Or do you know "loads" of people who are doing that? Are you going from house to house looking in windows, or are you just making stuff up?

bucketybuck

Micky 32 wrote: »

Oh dear lots of hysteria today on the forum. I guess that’s why we were lockdown winter 2019, 2018, 2017 right?

Such a trite answer tells me that you know full well that I am right but you are going to stand by your earlier posts anyway.

It is obvious to all what has changed between now and then, so obvious that you couldn't not be aware of it.

But for everybody else the point is simple and clear. Ireland locked down to "protect" its health service. Saying it won't happen again is just naïve.

Micky 32

Deleted User wrote: »

But the difference is that a precedent has now been set. Varadkar said in an interview a few months ago that "we know what do with the flu now".

Do you honestly think businesses will be shut because of the flu every winter? It’s not going to happen, but dream on. I’d swear there are posters drooling at the thought lol

drunkmonkey

j@utis wrote: »

Because last summer we didn't how much good mask wearing does, now we have that data, vaccines or not, masks are here to stay. Enjoy.

What good does it do, absolutely none, if they worked it wouldn't be illegal to leave your house without a reasonable excuse. They're a cult symbol of soladarity with NPHET nothing more.

bucketybuck

j@utis wrote: »

Because last summer we didn't how much good mask wearing does, now we have that data, vaccines or not, masks are here to stay. Enjoy.

What is that data? Can you link to it?

What percentage does wearing a mask prevent transmission? 5%? 20%?

Thanks in advance.

SnuggyBear

j@utis wrote: »

Because last summer we didn't how much good mask wearing does, now we have that data, vaccines or not, masks are here to stay. Enjoy.

Where is the data?

seansouth36

j@utis wrote: »

Because last summer we didn't how much good mask wearing does, now we have that data, vaccines or not, masks are here to stay. Enjoy.

I am not sure what you mean about "data" - last August for example, mask mandates were in place on public transport. I went to a number of pubs/restaurants that month and didn't see any customers wearing masks. Did you see people in a restaurant wearing a mask, and lowering their masks for each sip of their pint? You are welcome to enjoy your mask however you see fit of course.

lalababa

Today is March 5th...I thought we we due an announcement bout stuff??
And maybe get thrown a bone....like travel in your own county...
deckers..they keep changing the goalposts

Micky 32

bucketybuck wrote: »

Such a trite answer tells me that you know full well that I am right but you are going to stand by your earlier posts anyway.

It is obvious to all what has changed between now and then, so obvious that you couldn't not be aware of it.

But for everybody else the point is simple and clear. Ireland locked down to "protect" its health service. Saying it won't happen again is just naïve.

No i don’t think you are right. I think you are neurotic, delusion, hysterical and plain wrong. This is coming to an end. Get used to it.

Plumbthedepths

lalababa wrote: »

Today is March 5th...I thought we we due an announcement bout stuff??
And maybe get thrown a bone....like travel in your own county...
deckers..they keep changing the goalposts

April 5th.

drunkmonkey

lalababa wrote: »

Today is March 5th...I thought we we due an announcement bout stuff??
And maybe get thrown a bone....like travel in your own county...
deckers..they keep changing the goalposts

Yes surprised the media haven't said a peep about it, they'll probably give construction a break, 5k rule has to stay no matter what, they're terrified to it could cause numbers at protests to sky rocket.

Plumbthedepths

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Yes surprised the media haven't said a peep about it, they'll probably give construction a break, 5k rule has to stay no matter what, they're terrified to it could cause numbers at protests to sky rocket.

The construction sector has launched a legal challenge against the M of Health over the restrictions that have closed over 60% of the sector. Report in the Indo.

Mr. Karate

j@utis wrote: »

Because last summer we didn't how much good mask wearing does, now we have that data, vaccines or not, masks are here to stay. Enjoy.

The Hell it is. One I'm vaccinated I'm not wearing them anymore. The NPCs can get stuffed.

Scotty #

Mr. Karate wrote: »

The Hell it is. One I'm vaccinated I'm not wearing them anymore. The NPCs can get stuffed.

People are either part of the problem or part of the solution. We know where you stand.

Micky 32

Mr. Karate wrote: »

The Hell it is. One I'm vaccinated I'm not wearing them anymore. The NPCs can get stuffed.

I think as a courtesy i’ll maintain mask wearing even if I’m vaccinated until the masses are done.