When will it all end?

snowcat

Van.Bosch wrote: »

15% in Israel aren’t vaccinated, they are partially vaccinated.

Partially vaccinated is probably good for 100% short term immunity, More than likely after 4-5 days after injection

HalfAndHalf

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

WTF is the point of the vaccine then???

The U.K. have vaccinated just over a million people in the past month, the vaccine has absolutely nothing to do with the death rate of the past month as these people won’t have been vaccinated.

The HorsesMouth

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

The U.K. have vaccinated just over a million people in the past month, the vaccine has absolutely nothing to do with the death rate of the past month as these people won’t have been vaccinated.

Im not talking about the death rate today...I'm obviously talking about when we will begin to open up in spring and summer time. And some people are saying 2022 and I'm asking why!!

snowcat

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

WTF is the point of the vaccine then???

We need to ask those questions. There is a lot of people getting very very rich out of Covid.

Chivito550

snowcat wrote: »

Anyone hoping the death rate will fall rapidly with vaccines are in for a shock surprise. It wont happen. The people who die with Covid are 90 % on the way out already. UK have been vaccinating for a month allready and there is still the same death rate. Israel no real reduction in death rate with 15% of population vacinated

It takes 3 weeks or so before the vaccine kicks in and becomes effective. People also need a second shot, which I suspect none have got yet. Come back in a month with that comment maybe, but until then you don't know what you're talking about.

Chivito550

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

But if we are mostly vaccinated by June say...why wouldn't restrictions be lifted? I'm genuinely asking this question here...why is it going to take 2 years of vaccination??
And if 90% of deaths occur in the elderly and vulnerable...are we really going to stay under serious restrictions for the other 10%? Again...a genuine question here.

Because some freaks on here actually love lockdowns and get some sort of joy out of it.

Humberto Salazar

Rule out this year. Start planning for normality mid 2022. Barring severe mutations or any new virus of course.

snowcat

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

The U.K. have vaccinated just over a million people in the past month, the vaccine has absolutely nothing to do with the death rate of the past month as these people won’t have been vaccinated.

So when did these people get infected? 80% of care home residents were vaccinated by the end of december in the UK. There should be no care home residents dying in the uk at the moment with covid. The mortality figures should be going down not up. Something is not tallying.

HalfAndHalf

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

Im not talking about the death rate today...I'm obviously talking about when we will begin to open up in spring and summer time. And some people are saying 2022 and I'm asking why!!

I was just saying that the comment about the U.K. vaccinating and look at their death rate being the same was wrong, the vaccine has nothing to do with the UKs death rate being the same as it was as those people won’t have been vaccinated.

The vaccine will lower transmissions to the point it is as manageable as the flu, likelihood is it will become an annual vaccination in the same way the flu jab is.

snowcat

Chivito550 wrote: »

It takes 3 weeks or so before the vaccine kicks in and becomes effective. People also need a second shot, which I suspect none have got yet. Come back in a month with that comment maybe, but until then you don't know what you're talking about.

What a load of bull. If it took 3 weeks for the vaccine to kick in there would have been a hell of lot more covid infected in the vaccine trials.

Actually now that i think of it the trials would have been pointless. The trials showed a 95% reduction in infection from when the first injection was administered as compared to the placebo. Someone may confirm but i doubt they started analysis 2 or 3 weeks after the second dose

Silentcorner

Chivito550 wrote: »

Because some freaks on here actually love lockdowns and get some sort of joy out of it.

I've seen people call for the army to be patrolling the streets with water canons!!!

I mean....soaking people with water during freezing temperatures will go a long way to suppressing a flu like virus!!!!

What's that saying, the beatings will continue until morale improves!!!!

niallo27

From what I have read and heard, the vaccine lies somewhere between the measles vaccine which rarely needs to be altered and the flu vaccine which is altered annually. Very unlikely it will need to be altered this year.

HalfAndHalf

snowcat wrote: »

So when did these people get infected? 80% of care home residents were vaccinated by the end of december in the UK. There should be no care home residents dying in the uk at the moment with covid. The mortality figures should be going down not up. Something is not tallying.

Care home residents have been half vaccinated for a start and how do you know that it’s these people that have died?

1.9% of the U.K. population have been half vaccinated so far, that leaves 98.1% of the population to make up the death stats.

I take it you’re not a vaccine fan from what you’re posting?

Bicyclette

snowcat wrote: »

Anyone hoping the death rate will fall rapidly with vaccines are in for a shock surprise. It wont happen. The people who die with Covid are 90 % on the way out already. UK have been vaccinating for a month allready and there is still the same death rate. Israel no real reduction in death rate with 15% of population vacinated

I have copied the information below from Daniel Beary's Post in Lockdown Ireland Updates and Banter. Daniel produces a lot of excellent stats. But the figures are shocking:

"With deaths data for Northern Ireland for 2020 complete, excess deaths for the year (deaths as a % of previous 5 year avg) were the highest since the 1918 flu pandemic. In England & Wales 2020 excess deaths (15.7%) were comparable with 1940, the worst year of the Blitz (16.4%)."

Figures should drop. Even if the disease is precipitating rather than causing some deaths, we will still have lost many of our more vulnerable members of society.

gozunda

Beasty wrote: »

There is a limit. We cannot go beyond LXXXVII. It will all end before then....

:P

87? Is that some secret code for the chosen or ? :pac:

Chivito550

snowcat wrote: »

What a load of bull. If it took 3 weeks for the vaccine to kick in there would have been a hell of lot more covid infected in the vaccine trials.

Actually now that i think of it the trials would have been pointless. The trials showed a 95% reduction in infection from when the first injection was administered as compared to the placebo. Someone may confirm but i doubt they started analysis 2 or 3 weeks after the second dose

Any time I've been given a flu jab, the nurse has told me that it doesn't become fully effective for 3 weeks. I see no reason why this would be any different with a COVID vaccine. I'll trust what medical professionals say over some punter on the Internet.

snowcat

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

Care home residents have been half vaccinated for a start and how do you know that it’s these people that have died?

1.9% of the U.K. population have been half vaccinated so far, that leaves 98.1% of the population to make up the death stats.

I take it you’re not a vaccine fan from what you’re posting?

Im an Engineer. I ask questions. I have been vaccinated. Im certainly not anti Vax. Im not a fan of big pharma and a pill for everything. I prefer to live a healthy organic lifestyle and use pharma drugs only when necessary.

HalfAndHalf

snowcat wrote: »

Im an Engineer. I ask questions. I have been vaccinated. Im certainly not anti Vax. Im not a fan of big pharma and a pill for everything. I prefer to live a healthy organic lifestyle and use pharma drugs only when necessary.

To be fair I haven’t seen questions just aggressive talk to most posters on the thread.

Maybe you should have waited for the Oxford/AZ vaccine then as that’s being sold at cost rather than a huge profit.

snowcat

Chivito550 wrote: »

Any time I've been given a flu jab, the nurse has told me that it doesn't become fully effective for 3 weeks. I see no reason why this would be any different with a COVID vaccine. I'll trust what medical professionals say over some punter on the Internet.

Cant comment on the flu jab. If the Covid has an immune response in victims of 4-5 days up to 12 I would assume the vaccine will evoke a similiar response from the immune system. IE Most people will have produced antibodies within 4-5 days but it may be up to 14 days in rare cases. The vaccine ultimately is only provoking the same response as the virus with less lethal consequences

tayto lover

We seem to be very slow to wheel out the vaccine.
Hopefully we’ll all have had it by June.

I’d murder a few pints in a nice pub with a bit of atmosphere. I miss that.

niallo27

There will still be enough people dieing in care home that have covid at the time, that will keep Tony and nphet in a job and scare the Jesus out of people.

HalfAndHalf

tayto lover wrote: »

We seem to be very slow to wheel out the vaccine.
Hopefully we’ll all have had it by June.

I’d murder a few pints in a nice pub with a bit of atmosphere. I miss that.

Can’t see even half of us being after having it by June, not being negative just how I see it. Likely only a million by June I’d say.

MayoSalmon

Could be variant after variant developing and thus forever lockdowns...

LessOutragePlz

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Could be variant after variant developing and thus forever lockdowns...

I admire your optimism!

KungPao

PTH2009 wrote: »

Gerard McSorley

A mix between his John Gilligan and the judge character he played in Inside i'm dancing

Look at that syringe work, effortless.

Dr. Bre

Welcome to your new normal

poolboy

niallo27 wrote: »

There will still be enough people dieing in care home that have covid at the time, that will keep Tony and nphet in a job and scare the Jesus out of people.

I really don't get this idea that Holohan is some control freak closing pubs for fun. Look at the state of the country after they were pressured into a partial opening of hospitality for a few weeks. As for keeping him in a job, him and NPHET I'd say haven't have hardly had a day off in 10 months. They'd give anything to be rid of it and the idiots they have to convince it's serious.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

1st heard this in March 2020

We didn't have vaccines then.

Timistry

LordBasil wrote: »

I think the vaccine rollout will accelerate significantly both here and across Europe in the coming months, especially when the Oxford vaccine is approved and many of the current problems have been resolved. There will be growing pressure from the media, business groups and the public to get it going much more efficiently, this has already started to happen.

If I had to guess on the timescales for re-opening of Ireland;

Mid Feb: Schools and Construction.

March: Non-Essential retail, Golf, Tennis

April: Outdoor Dining, Gyms, Larger attendance at weddings and funerals.

May: Indoor dining.

June: Wet pubs, Theatres, Bingo Halls, Cinemas. Family gatherings.

July: Non-essential foreign travel allowed without having to isolate for 2 weeks if you have been vaccinated or get negative Covid test.

August: Work from home recommendations gradually lifted. Capacity limits on public transport increases.Crowds can attend sports events outdoors but not full capacity.

September: On campus attendance for 3rd students. All staff can return to offices. Conferences and exhibitions can take place.

October/ November: Most restrictions lifted as concerts can go ahead and nightclubs open. Full attendance at sporting events.

Christmas as normal. Hopefully....

You have nailed it. My thoughts exactly

The HorsesMouth

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

I have no idea why people think we still be in lockdown in the summer...am I missing something here? Why are we vaccinating the vulnerable, elderly and HCW in January and February which will lead to a dramatic fall in deaths? What is it all for if we don't get back to some normality?
Also...the money is gonna run out sometime!

You're on to something there horse, once the key demographics are vaccinated the economic imperative takes over and excuses run out. You can be sure most people will be fit to be tied by March, after the numbers fall off a lockdown cannot be sustainable. Whether Holohan likes it or not. His dour outlook and abstinence agenda will fall on deaf ears, human nature winning out. Before he shuffles off the stage proper, being held to account for a certain scandal and raked over the hot coals.

Spanishpoint

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Welcome to your new normal

Why? We have a fantastic researchers working hard and I trust them.

HalfAndHalf

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We didn't have vaccines then.

We don’t have vaccines now, not 10 million doses of it.

The point being, as per the March comment is that normal is still a LONG way off.

HalfAndHalf

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You're on to something there horse, once the key demographics are vaccinated the economic imperative takes over and excuses run out. You can be sure most people will be fit to be tied by March, after the numbers fall off a lockdown cannot be sustainable. Whether Holohan likes it or not. His dour outlook and abstinence agenda will fall on deaf ears, human nature winning out. Before he shuffles off the stage proper, being held to account for a certain scandal and raked over the hot coals.

So you’re saying they’ll be a mass revolt against restrictions if we’re not allowed to do what we want again.....by March?

HalfAndHalf

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

We don’t have vaccines now, not 10 million doses or it.

The point being, as per the March comment is that normal is still a LONG way off.

We have vaccines now. Astra Zeneca and Moderna will arrive. Maybe Johnson & Johnson as well. Delivery will ramp up. 3 million of our most vulnerable will be vaccinated and then watch the hospital figures fall.

I'm not an epidemiologist or virologist but that is the stance I choose to take. Others may take a different one. The truth is that we don't actually know.

niallo27

To people who still want a lockdown in 2022


https://mobile.twitter.com/IrishDataViz/status/1347925705745641473?s=20

HalfAndHalf

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We have vaccines now. Astra Zeneca and Moderna will arrive. Maybe Johnson & Johnson as well. Delivery will ramp up. 3 million of our most vulnerable will be vaccinated and then watch the hospital figures fall.

We’ve enough vaccines for 70 odd thousand people NOW!

As I said, we were taking about when it will be normal again, and that won’t be in a few months just because we’ve got enough vaccines for 1.5% of the population.

Cerveza

The vaccines will be a very quick game changer, the economy will get going again. Hospitality will be back open Easter and these wet pubs as they call them for the summer. The misery and depression is putrid here.
Is it long term corona recipients that are mainly posting here?

accensi0n

It'll all end for the elderly by the summer, they'll be skulling pints, going to festivals and going at it like rabbits, all while pointing and laughing hysterically at the healthy young and middle aged.

HalfAndHalf

Cerveza wrote: »

The vaccines will be a very quick game changer, the economy will get going again. Hospitality will be back open Easter and these wet pubs as they call them for the summer. The misery and depression is putrid here.
Is it long term corona recipients that are mainly posting here?

And your basis for these timing are what exactly?

You’re view that people being a bit realistic are PUP recipients and inferring they’re happy to be doing so is just offensive! Back up your timings or admit you’re just making it up.
And no, I’ve worked full time as normal throughout, before you throw that at me!

These are the only FACTS we’ve had so far:

About 40,000 doses a week of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine will be administered to priority groups in January and February, after which volumes will scaled up, according to a Health Service Executive briefing on the programme.

HalfAndHalf

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

We’ve enough vaccines for 70 odd thousand people NOW!

As I said, we were taking about when it will be normal again, and that won’t be in a few months just because we’ve got enough vaccines for 1.5% of the population.

Let us wait and see how the rest of the year unfolds

HalfAndHalf

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Let us wait and see how the rest of the year unfolds

Yeah that’s all we can do, I’m just being realistic that this year will generally be a right off, not expecting to be having pints in a pub this summer or going off on holiday somewhere hot.

But will be happy if I can get a road trip in late summertime.

jmlad2020

It won't go away this year

Government will likely lessen restrictions from late spring to summer when a bit of positive news comes out but it will probably be a repeat of 2020 tbh.

CalamariFritti

Deleted User wrote: »

We have vaccines now. Astra Zeneca and Moderna will arrive. Maybe Johnson & Johnson as well. Delivery will ramp up. 3 million of our most vulnerable will be vaccinated and then watch the hospital figures fall.

I'm not an epidemiologist or virologist but that is the stance I choose to take. Others may take a different one. The truth is that we don't actually know.

Not having a go or anything but the phrase 3 million of our most vulnerable didnt sit right with me. We have just under 700k over 65s. We have not quite 5 million in total. Surely not more than or even anywhere near 3 million are vulnerable?

Chivito550

A lot of lockdown advocates are introverts who don't like meeting up with people. Lockdown is a convenient reason to not have to see too many people. Not surprising that there are people pushing lockdowns into 2022 and beyond.

Ronnie O'Sullivan, snooker player, said that if he had his way he'd have lockdown go on for 5 years, and that he loves not having to talk to people.

Spanishpoint

Chivito550 wrote: »

A lot of lockdown advocates are introverts who don't like meeting up with people. Lockdown is a convenient reason to not have to see too many people. Not surprising that there are people pushing lockdowns into 2022 and beyond.

Ronnie O'Sullivan, snooker player, said that if he had his way he'd have lockdown go on for 5 years, and that he loves not having to talk to people.

Do you also mean that a lot of businessmen don't care about people, just money?

Chivito550

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Not having a go or anything but the phrase 3 million of our most vulnerable didnt sit right with me. We have just under 700k over 65s. We have not quite 5 million in total. Surely not more than or even anywhere near 3 million are vulnerable?

1.25 million people in the Republic of Ireland are obese. All these people are 'at risk' , as much as people like to ignore it.

HalfAndHalf

Chivito550 wrote: »

A lot of lockdown advocates are introverts who don't like meeting up with people. Lockdown is a convenient reason to not have to see too many people. Not surprising that there are people pushing lockdowns into 2022 and beyond.

Ronnie O'Sullivan, snooker player, said that if he had his way he'd have lockdown go on for 5 years, and that he loves not having to talk to people.

I haven’t seen a singly post that could be construed as a ‘lockdown advocate! In this thread?

Nobody has said that lockdown will last all year, just that ‘normal’ won’t be fully back this year.

beachhead

At the current cock up rate by the government to control the virus so called normal will be 2022 with mask wearing advised.Vaccinations will be lucky to be completed by end of 2021 but don't forget the refuseniks who will delay "normal".Don't forget the vaccinated who will go crazy with the freedom they think it gives them.Then you have people coming into the country and the joke that is/will be the tracking system and the good people of our sainted isle going anywhere they give get to and bringing back god knows what and not giving true contact details and of course the cock up that is/will be tracking of them.Maybe it'll be 2023 when you don't have to wear a mask in a shop or restaurant.Oh,forget pubs they're finished.

MayoSalmon

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We didn't have vaccines then.

Or variants

CIARAN_BOYLE

HalfAndHalf wrote: »

So you’re saying they’ll be a mass revolt against restrictions if we’re not allowed to do what we want again.....by March?

We just had a mass revolt against guidance and restrictions.

Christmas.

Surely it's not time to talk about another one.