When will it all end?

Natterjack from Kerry

Taking a line from the UK who are further down the road, we are probably looking at starting to lift restrictions in a more serious way than the few minor tweaks that have been flagged for April and May, from June onwards. The UK plan is 20 a week process, starting from about 35% vaccinated, and assuming everyone would have had their first jab by July. Being behind on the vaccines to date, and on a slower curve as well, probably has that at about a 25 week opening process, taking us into November some time, all dépending on no further slippage from the vaccine supplies schedule. Which could put us in place for a genuinely (international travel excluded, but at least in Ireland) 'normal' Christmas.

SnuggyBear

These vaccine delays are really pushing the end further away. The way its looking now we could be still posting in this thread next year. There is no hunger to get out of lockdown.

E mac

Wonder how different would things be if it were an election year?

mikekerry

bucketybuck wrote: »

The biggest problem with the government is not just that they are so impotent, it is that they are completely disassociated.

People talk about maybe April, maybe May, perhaps its June before people will be allowed to earn a living again. And they are all just words, because when you have been locked down for a year, sure whats another few months, right? Just throw another few weeks on between levels, sure what odds, its just a week or two, right?

And its disgraceful, because those weeks and months matter. That extra month could be the difference between a business hanging on by its fingernails and a business finally going bust. That extra week could be the week that a husband finally hangs himself because of the pressure.

There are people and real lives behind all of this and the government has completely lost sight of that. It used to be a massive, massive thing to lock people down for a few weeks, now they kick the can down the road a few months with barely a second glance, because they are no longer giving any thought to the non covid effects that these lockdowns have.

A weak leader is a problem in peace time. In times of trouble an indecisive, impotent, disassociated leader destroys lives. Thanks mehole.

If they even had the decency to spend 1 day of their lives talking to people on the ground affected by the harshest lockdown in europe then maybe the penny might drop of what people are living through and a shred of empathy might be shown by then but then again probably not.
They are so disassociated with what the normal person is going through that they don't realise or what I would think is that they don't care.

Rodin

mikekerry wrote: »

If they even had the decency to spend 1 day of their lives talking to people on the ground affected by the harshest lockdown in europe then maybe the penny might drop of what people are living through and a shred of empathy might be shown by then but then again probably not.
They are so disassociated with what the normal person is going through that they don't realise or what I would think is that they don't care.

There's nothing harsh about the lockdown. Roads very busy. Enforcement is minimal.

mikekerry

Rodin wrote: »

There's nothing harsh about the lockdown. Roads very busy. Enforcement is minimal.

I've seen plenty of enforcement when travelling within 5k have been stopped multiple occasions.
It may depend on the area where you live probably more urban areas are policed more.

Hellrazer

mikekerry wrote: »

I've seen plenty of enforcement when travelling within 5k have been stopped multiple occasions.
It may depend on the area where you live probably more urban areas are policed more.

Or if youre trying to bring the family for fresh air / dogs walked etc.

3 parks near me 2 weekends ago had checkpoints at the entrances with Garda checking reg numbers against addresses.


Ridiculous!!!

I've said this before and was ridiculed. These protests are like the 1916 rising, which was let's face it a collection of assorted crackpots, and some genuine people. They got destroyed in the media and by the vast majority of people at the time who were foursquare behind British rule in Ireland. That changed very rapidly.

When there are tens of thousands who have lost everything on the streets protesting RTE won't be able to tar all of them with the "Far Right TM" label and violent hooligans ..... ONE crackpot launched a rocket and being generous lets say 20 scumbags threw bottles and cans at Gardai. They get more abuse than that on an average Saturday night. Not a single building damaged or window broken. That's not a riot.

The laid back nature of the vaccine supply issue and the imposition of more lockdowns.

The country right now is a pressure cooker. Nearly a million people on some sort of state income support. If they don't do something soon to release some of the pressure it won't be pretty. There is a strong Marie Antoinette vibe off certain sections of the population.

Rodin

Rodin wrote: »

There's nothing harsh about the lockdown. Roads very busy. Enforcement is minimal.

You are deluded.Tell that to the tens of thousands of small business owners up and down the country.

Klonker

Rodin wrote: »

There's nothing harsh about the lockdown. Roads very busy. Enforcement is minimal.

If they're not enforced they should be gotten rid of. It's only punishing the law abiding citizens, many of whom haven't left their 5km zone or met anyone outside their household since Christmas.

Risteard81

Deleted User wrote: »

I've said this before and was ridiculed. These protests are like the 1916 rising, which was let's face it a collection of assorted crackpots, and some genuine people. They got destroyed in the media and by the vast majority of people at the time who were foursquare behind British rule in Ireland. That changed very rapidly.

When there are tens of thousands who have lost everything on the streets protesting RTE won't be able to tar all of them with the "Far Right TM" label and violent hooligans ..... ONE crackpot launched a rocket and being generous lets say 20 scumbags threw bottles and cans at Gardai. They get more abuse than that on an average Saturday night. Not a single building damaged or window broken. That's not a riot.

The laid back nature of the vaccine supply issue and the imposition of more lockdowns.

The country right now is a pressure cooker. Nearly a million people on some sort of state income support. If they don't do something soon to release some of the pressure it won't be pretty. There is a strong Marie Antoinette vibe off certain sections of the population.

Agreed, except I wouldn't describe people venting their just rage as "scumbags" or "crackpots". It is entirely predictable what happened. I said last year that maintaining such population control will inevitably end with politicians being hanged from lampposts.

Micky 32

gozunda wrote: »

We know we are going ahead with vaccinations and we know as cases go down- restrictions will be rolled back and yeah so that's a bumpy road but guess what we're in the midst of a global Pandemic.

Yep, this is the long and the short of it. We’ll get there. The light is at the end of that tunnel

Micky 32

Micky 32 wrote: »

Yep, this is the long and the short of it. We’ll get there. The light is at the end of that tunnel

April 2022 at the current rate of rollout. Let them eat cake.

Risteard81

Risteard81 wrote: »

Agreed, except I wouldn't describe people venting their just rage as "scumbags" or "crackpots". It is entirely predictable what happened. I said last year that maintaining such population control will inevitably end with politicians being hanged from lampposts.

You wouldn't, but RTE, most of the media, the government, and the opposition, including all the pro worker / ordinary Joe Soap left parties do, without interviewing even a single one of them. Not going to end well.

the kelt

Rodin wrote: »

There's nothing harsh about the lockdown. Roads very busy. Enforcement is minimal.

Harshness isnt just based on people travelling about.

People travelling about, being restricted or not restricted as the case may be is in reality the very bottom of the list for people suffering due to the harshness of Lockdown.

TonyMaloney

Deleted User wrote: »

I've said this before and was ridiculed. These protests are like the 1916 rising, which was let's face it a collection of assorted crackpots, and some genuine people. They got destroyed in the media and by the vast majority of people at the time who were foursquare behind British rule in Ireland. That changed very rapidly.

When there are tens of thousands who have lost everything on the streets protesting RTE won't be able to tar all of them with the "Far Right TM" label and violent hooligans ..... ONE crackpot launched a rocket and being generous lets say 20 scumbags threw bottles and cans at Gardai. They get more abuse than that on an average Saturday night. Not a single building damaged or window broken. That's not a riot.

The laid back nature of the vaccine supply issue and the imposition of more lockdowns.

The country right now is a pressure cooker. Nearly a million people on some sort of state income support. If they don't do something soon to release some of the pressure it won't be pretty. There is a strong Marie Antoinette vibe off certain sections of the population.

So, the lockdown protests are like the 1916 rebellion because it involved a bunch of lunatics and some genuine people?
The water-charge protests were also like 1916 too so.
In fact a surprising number of events are a lot like 1916 if that's your criteria.

As for being labelled far-right, well obviously that's not nice if you're not one at all, but you are attending rallies organised and attended by far-right groups, so...

It also doesn't help your cause that so many of the prominent anti-restriction types in Ireland are far right - Gemma O'Doherty, John Waters, John McGuirk, Tracey O'Mahoney etc.
Even Ivor Cummins has been trying his hand at a bit of anti-semitism.

Also what doesn't help your cause is using references like Marie Antoinette. The implication quite clearly being a threat of violence.

BigMo1

the kelt wrote: »

Harshness isnt just based on people travelling about.

People travelling about, being restricted or not restricted as the case may be is in reality the very bottom of the list for people suffering due to the harshness of Lockdown.

Absolutely. Most people can't even visit their parents FFS.

Micky 32

Deleted User wrote: »

April 2022 at the current rate of rollout. Let them eat cake.

I still think by autumn 2021 anyone who wants a jab will get one.

aziz

Rodin wrote: »

There's nothing harsh about the lockdown. Roads very busy. Enforcement is minimal.

Utter bollox,I haven’t worked in a year and not knowing when I can get back is starting to “ corncern” me
Whole industries have been put on hiatus but the bills are still rolling in.
My car is only used for the weekly shopping trip but still has to be taxed and insured as if life was normal

TonyMaloney

TonyMaloney wrote: »

So, the lockdown protests are like the 1916 rebellion because it involved a bunch of lunatics and some genuine people?
The water-charge protests were also like 1916 too so.
In fact a surprising number of events are a lot like 1916 if that's your criteria.

I don't remember Irish Water shutting businesses wholesale and destroying people's liveliehoods?

TonyMaloney wrote: »

As for being labelled far-right, well obviously that's not nice if you're not one at all, but you are attending rallies organised and attended by far-right groups, so...

It also doesn't help your cause that so many of the prominent anti-restriction types in Ireland are far right - Gemma O'Doherty, John Waters, John McGuirk, Tracey O'Mahoney etc.
Even Ivor Cummins has been trying his hand at a bit of anti-semitism.

Also what doesn't help your cause is using references like Marie Antoinette. The implication quite clearly being a threat of violence.

Far right? The first three people you mention above, to the best of my knowledge - I haven't heard of the other two - were even at the protest, and the main speaker at the Cork protest is a prominent Socialist politician. But you go on believing what you want.

I'm not threatening anything. I didn't attend the protest, I've criticised protesting during a pandemic full stop. However if lots are vaccinated and we are still restricted, I would review my position. I've thankfully been minimally financially affected by the restrictions, but I know many many people that are. I'm just calling it as I see it. The reference to Marie Antoinette was to show how divorced from reality many people, including yourself, are.

Natterjack from Kerry

SnuggyBear wrote: »

. There is no hunger to get out of lockdown.

What? That every single person in the country wants us to be out of lockdown would contradict that.

Micky 32

Micky 32 wrote: »

I still think by autumn 2021 anyone who wants a jab will get one.

Wishful thinking. Look at the talk of delays already with J&J and it’s not even approved in the EU yet.

TonyMaloney

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't remember Irish Water shutting businesses wholesale and destroying people's liveliehoods?



Far right? The first three people you mention above, to the best of my knowledge - I haven't heard of the other two - were even at the protest, and the main speaker at the Cork protest is a prominent Socialist politician. But you go on believing what you want.

I'm not threatening anything. I didn't attend the protest, I've criticised protesting during a pandemic full stop. However if lots are vaccinated and we are still restricted, I would review my position. I've thankfully been minimally financially affected by the restrictions, but I know many many people that are. I'm just calling it as I see it. The reference to Marie Antoinette was to show how divorced from reality many people, including yourself, are.

You referenced the famous execution of a head of state in conjunction with lockdown protests to show how divorced from reality people like me are?

Have a nice day

TonyMaloney

TonyMaloney wrote: »

You referenced the famous execution of a head of state in conjunction with lockdown protests to show how divorced from reality people like me are?

Have a nice day

This is what you are dealing with. Pathetic straw man replies. Marie Antoinette is most famously known for the misattributed "let them eat cake" remark, which she never actually said, it was attributed to her, as a metaphor for the aloof nature of the ruling classes. And she wasn't a head of state either, Louis 16th was, but that's neither here nor there. If you actually think I'm suggesting Leo Varadkar or someone similar will be guillotined, you need help.

Micky 32

Deleted User wrote: »

Wishful thinking. Look at the talk of delays already with J&J and it’s not even approved in the EU yet.

It’s not wishful thinking ( well not on my part anyway) issues can get ironed out especially in such an emergency.

Yeah it’s not approved yet, next month it will be. Still quite a distance to late 2021 yet. A lot can happen between now and then.

Micky 32

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s not wishful thinking ( well not on my part anyway) issues can get ironed out especially in such an emergency.

Yeah it’s not approved yet, next month it will be. Still quite a distance to late 2021 yet. A lot can happen between now and then.

A lot certainly can happen. A week is a long time in politics. Another lost summer won't go down well though with many businesses.

gozunda

Risteard81 wrote: »

Agreed, except I wouldn't describe people venting their just rage as "scumbags" or "crackpots". It is entirely predictable what happened. I said last year that maintaining such population control will inevitably end with politicians being hanged from lampposts.

And how's that idea working out for you?

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

And how's that idea working out for you?

Hopefully he's speaking metaphorically.

El_Duderino 09

Micky 32 wrote: »

I still think by autumn 2021 anyone who wants a jab will get one.

That's not possible. They don't expect approval for vaccines for any under 18s until after autumn 2021. They might have all adults who want the vaccination, vaccinated by then, but definitely for not the whole population.

SnuggyBear

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

What? That every single person in the country wants us to be out of lockdown would contradict that.

The government look hungry to get out of lockdown to you?