When will it all end?

Ladylouth

Far right? Far left? Have these labels turned upside down and inside out in the last year? I literally cannot believe that those on the left are not the ones up in arms about lockdown and it's catastrophic impact on society. For me it seems that I am left or far left on most issues and right/far right on lockdown. I abhor GOD and JW's views on most things, but not on this. I suspect their anti-lockdown motivation is very different from mine though. I haven't attended any protests yet, but if this continues, that's where I'll be headed.

The labels are unhelpful. Just an easy excuse for government and media both to ignore normal people whose lives are in turmoil.

stefanovich

Ladylouth wrote: »

Far right? Far left? Have these labels turned upside down and inside out in the last year? I literally cannot believe that those on the left are not the ones up in arms about lockdown and it's catastrophic impact on society. For me it seems that I am left or far left on most issues and right/far right on lockdown. I abhor GOD and JW's views on most things, but not on this. I suspect their anti-lockdown motivation is very different from mine though. I haven't attended any protests yet, but if this continues, that's where I'll be headed.

The labels are unhelpful. Just an easy excuse for government and media both to ignore normal people whose lives are in turmoil.

I was wondering what you had against God and the Jehovah's Witnesses in particular and then it clicked :pac:

stefanovich

Ladylouth wrote: »

For me it seems that I am left or far left on most issues

I don't think you are far left. Far left is gulags and mass extermination.

ypres5

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's not possible. They don't expect approval for vaccines for any under 18s until after autumn 2021. They might have all adults who want the vaccination, vaccinated by then, but definitely for not the whole population.

it's a good thing that children are mostly unaffected by covid then. once the over 60s and medically vulnerable are vaccinated then it's time to start putting lockdown in the rear view mirror

El_Duderino 09

ypres5 wrote: »

it's a good thing that children are mostly unaffected by covid then. once the over 60s and medically vulnerable are vaccinated then it's time to start putting lockdown in the rear view mirror

If you say so. it it doesn't take from the point that we won't have vaccinated everyone who wants a vaccine by the autumn, as the poster said above.

My understanding was that they were estimating 70-80% before any chance of a herd immunity effect and without the under 18s there's no real chance of getting that high. Maybe the estimates have changed.

Ladylouth

stefanovich wrote: »

I don't think you are far left. Far left is gulags and mass extermination.

Well you can rule me out of that so!!

Left and right are a relatively new thing in Irish politics. It used to be pro or anti treaty or some sort of working class people (Labour) / eternally unemployed (PBP types) parties.

We don't have any right wing parties of any size in Ireland. FG are a centrist party and everyone else is to the left of them. Except when it comes to lockdowns. Then all the parties are outdoing themselves with far right fascist policies. Keep out the foreigners, or lock them in hotels under armed guard and make them pay ! Ban all protests, or only allow the ones we agree with ! Have police interrogate private citizens at every opportunity !

And the further left they are, the more they support the above.

Funny isn't it ?

monkeybutter

Blueshirts ...cough

Kunta Kinte

Deleted User wrote: »

Hopefully he's speaking metaphorically.

Given that particular poster`s previous comments I don`t believe that to be the case.

Micky 32

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's not possible. They don't expect approval for vaccines for any under 18s until after autumn 2021. They might have all adults who want the vaccination, vaccinated by then, but definitely for not the whole population.

I was referring to adults that are mostly at risk, over 18’s . The people that matter that will get us on our way to normality.

It’s quite possible under 18’s could be approved by then.

Risteard81

Ladylouth wrote: »

I literally cannot believe that those on the left are not the ones up in arms about lockdown and it's catastrophic impact on society.

I can only speak for myself, but I am completely opposed to these measures. I consider them to be an act of Treason.

Micky 32

ypres5 wrote: »

it's a good thing that children are mostly unaffected by covid then. once the over 60s and medically vulnerable are vaccinated then it's time to start putting lockdown in the rear view mirror

I wouldn’t bother, the poster is trying to find everything and anything to argue about getting our freedoms back and normality. The poster will be sorely disappointed come end of the year.

There will be very few hospitalizations even if the under 18’s are not vaccinated.

Risteard81

Deleted User wrote: »

FG are a centrist party and everyone else is to the left of them.

I would consider them to be centre-right at best. FF are also centre-right in my opinion, though perhaps slightly less to the right than FG.

El_Duderino 09

Micky 32 wrote: »

I was referring to adults that are mostly at risk, over 18’s . The people that matter that will get us on our way to normality.

Right, but not really normality, as in, achieving herd immunity.

If that were achievable before winter then I think we could reasonably expect to drop restrictions and not need them for the winter and beyond. But since that's not what we're talking about, the winter remains uncertain.

El_Duderino 09

Micky 32 wrote: »

I wouldn’t bother, the poster is trying to find everything and anything to argue about getting our freedoms back and normality. The poster will be sorely disappointed come end of the year.

There will be very few hospitalizations even if the under 18’s are not vaccinated.

I want things to get back to normal, same as everyone.

I just want the discussion to be based in reality rather than just discussing what I want to happen.

Micky 32

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I want things to get back to normal, same as everyone.

I just want the discussion to be based in reality rather than just discussing what I want to happen.

Yes and i am basing it on reality. We get the masses vaccinated = less hospitalization = normality begins to resume.


You are failing to grasp that concept.

There won’t be any lockdown next winter.

Quazzie

Deleted User wrote: »

I've said this before and was ridiculed. These protests are like the 1916 rising,

I have to say this is the funniest thing I've read on Boards for a very long time. To compare a war for a countries independence to a protest so we can stop wearing masks.

:D:D

That's after really brightening up my day

Quazzie

Quazzie wrote: »

I have to say this is the funniest thing I've read on Boards for a very long time. To compare a war for a countries independence to a protest so we can stop wearing masks.

:D:D

That's after really brightening up my day

It's not a protest about masks, but you would know that if you cared to look into it. Like Connolly wanted to set up some socialist utopia. Pearse was away with the fairies with some sort of Norse like ubermensch hero stories - today would be considered far right. DeValera's comely maidens dancing at the crossroads. Ultimately though it was these crackpots who sparked a wider movement that had very little to do with the original founders. That's the point.

El_Duderino 09

Micky 32 wrote: »

Yes and i am basing it on reality. We get the masses vaccinated = less hospitalization = normality begins to resume.


You are failing to grasp that concept.

There won’t be any lockdown next winter.

I haven't said there will be a lockdown next winter.

I get the concept. Fewer hospitalisations and normality begins to resume. In an environment without restrictions and without herd immunity; do hospitalisations and deaths stay low enough to mean we don't need any restrictions during winter? We don't know the answer to that yet. Only time will tell.

Kunta Kinte

Risteard81 wrote: »

I can only speak for myself, but I am completely opposed to these measures. I consider them to be an act of Treason.

But you are speaking for yourself. Only a barely noticeable minority believe in this "treason" bull****e that you constantly harp on about.

Micky 32

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I haven't said there will be a lockdown next winter.

I get the concept. Fewer hospitalisations and normality begins to resume. In an environment without restrictions and without herd immunity; do hospitalisations and deaths stay low enough to mean we don't need any restrictions during winter? We don't know the answer to that yet. Only time will tell.

We know how effective the vaccines are. By next winter the old/vulnerable and most adults will definately be completed. I can’t see much serious illness going around by then.

MadYaker

Risteard81 wrote: »

Agreed, except I wouldn't describe people venting their just rage as "scumbags" or "crackpots". It is entirely predictable what happened. I said last year that maintaining such population control will inevitably end with politicians being hanged from lampposts.

Yeah and you were wrong about it then, you’re still wrong about it now and what have you learned? Nothing. Every opinion poll reported in the media shows that the majority support some form of restrictions to control the virus. You wanted to cancel all restrictions and just let it rip with all that entails. Your opinions on this are extremist, not based on science and in the minority. The mass economic devastation and widespread civil disobedience that some loopers keep predicting is never going to arrive. This talk is starting to sound like the Americans that still think trump won the election.

MadYaker

MadYaker wrote: »

Yeah and you were wrong about it then, you’re still wrong about it now and what have you learned? Nothing. Every opinion poll reported in the media shows that the majority support some form of restrictions to control the virus. You wanted to cancel all restrictions and just let it rip with all that entails. Your opinions on this are extremist, not based on science and in the minority. The mass economic devastation and widespread civil disobedience that some loopers keep predicting is never going to arrive. This talk is starting to sound like the Americans that still think trump won the election.

There is a big difference between "let her rip" "some form of restrictions" and open ended full lockdown. Most sane people are in favour of some form of restrictions. The jorunal.ie recenty published a poll saying that Irish people are positively ecstatic with the current restrictions, so I wouldn't put too much faith in polls at the moment.

Risteard81

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

But you are speaking for yourself. Only a barely noticeable minority believe in this "treason" bull****e that you constantly harp on about.

Just because I'm speaking for myself doesn't alter that what I have stated is a fact rather than merely opinion or conjecture.

Batattackrat

Do people actually abide by the 5KM restrictions? Anyone I know don't whatsoever.

Can't keep everything locked up if hospital numbers are manageable.

In 17/18 4000 in hospital with flu and 173 in ICU.

Time to move to Level 2 when all over 70's are vacinated and go from there then.

Batattackrat

Batattackrat wrote: »

Do people actually abide by the 5KM restrictions? Anyone I know don't whatsoever.

Can't keep everything locked up if hospital numbers are manageable.

In 17/18 4000 in hospital with flu and 173 in ICU.

Time to move to Level 2 when all over 70's are vacinated and go from there then.

You want to be careful now.Certain people on this forum would be offended that you would go outside your 5km

6541

My father who is in the 80 - 85 age bracket has just got the first Jab, the second Jab is due first week in April.
The procedure was as efficient as one could get - basically a drive through inoculation in a medical centers car park.
Car park was full with people coming and going. They must be getting through hundreds today.
Looks to me that we are getting to the end of this.

Batattackrat

Batattackrat wrote: »

Can't keep everything locked up if hospital numbers are manageable.

In 17/18 4000 in hospital with flu and 173 in ICU.

Time to move to Level 2 when all over 70's are vacinated and go from there then.

Hard to believe this is even controversial. Also, spare me the "variants" nonsense. Flu mutates far more than SARS CoV2 does.

Kunta Kinte

Risteard81 wrote: »

Just because I'm speaking for myself doesn't alter that what I have stated is a fact rather than merely opinion or conjecture.

No, a completely false statement. Just because you and a tiny tiny minority believe the implementation of the restrictions measures is an "act of treason" does not make it a fact.

Hellrazer

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If you say so. it it doesn't take from the point that we won't have vaccinated everyone who wants a vaccine by the autumn, as the poster said above.

My understanding was that they were estimating 70-80% before any chance of a herd immunity effect and without the under 18s there's no real chance of getting that high. Maybe the estimates have changed.

We dont need herd immunity once our over 65s and vulnerable are vaccinated.

We`ve had 4452 deaths so far WITH covid. 92% of them were in over 65s and 93% of all deaths had an underlying condition.

4096 over 65s died WITH covid. That leaves 356 under 65s that died with covid.

Now 93% of all covid deaths have underlying conditions so out of that 356 only 25 healthy people have died from covid 19.

**No reason to stay locked down once our vulnerable (those with underlying conditions) and over 65s are vaccinated.**