When will it all end?

mcsean2163

Caution. All sports and education has stopped for children, this is more than caution.

Hospitals are swamped, the situation is serious but at some point even with no vaccine we have to recognise this is having a profoundly bad affect on young people.

In 2020, 21 people under 45 died with covid19. At what point do we say enough is enough. I actually don't know and the vaccine has given us a way out. I would expect everything to be open by summer and a very good reason if it wasn't.

Ireland is meant to be a country for everyone, not just those who want to work from home.

Hector Savage

Deleted User wrote: »

Horse putty for two reasons:

There is no evidence that there is transmission. The only thing that they are saying, again out of an abundance of caution, is that we can't say yet if people don't transmit. In general vaccinated people don't transmit which is why we have got rid of smallpox and polio. And there is more than one vaccine here.

If that wasn't true and everybody transmitted and the severity was reduced to a cold we would still be open up. We don't close down society in a normal flu season, or a cold season.

you people seem to think that we can never open up again.

I agree ! I was saying this about another posters logic !!

Bit cynical

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It wasn’t an argument, it was a question. And the poster declining to answer it, speaks volumes.

I’ll answer your question. The problem would be the prevalence of the virus int he community. Vaccinated people can probably still carry and transmit the virus (according to research reported today). So allowing the virus to run rampant in the community is not an option. So if some people decide to flout the rules, they will obviously help spread the virus to the vaccinated and unvaccinated alike, thus prolonging the whole problem.

Do you understand the issue now?

I would say that once the vulnerable groups are fully vaccinated along with healthcare workers, at that point I would open up everything. Because then the otherwise healthy population can spread immunity among themselves very quickly without being a danger to others.

It won't happen of course, but that is because we've become overly cautious, and swinging things around to a more calculated risk-taking approach takes time.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Are you being serious? The question is pretty clear: “ How do you think length of immunity will impact the time taken to reopen?”

So I’ll break it down into separate questions.
1. How long do you think the vaccine will give immunity to the people who get it? And

longer than the 5 months you think in the report you (mis)read.

2. What impact would that timeframe have on time taken to reopen?

The impact will be based on the figures of cases announced every day. I would expect that to drop off in the summer anyway, as that happened even without vaccinations, and then the question is whether we use that time to vaccinate to herd immunity so the virus never takes off again.

bucketybuck

Deleted User wrote: »

They are being vaccinated first. Not sure what else is needed.

Really?

You can't think of a single other thing that could have been done to make sure that nursing home residents were better protected from Covid 19?

JDD

Bit cynical wrote: »

I would say that once the vulnerable groups are fully vaccinated along with healthcare workers, at that point I would open up everything. Because then the otherwise healthy population can spread immunity among themselves very quickly without being a danger to others.

It won't happen of course, but that is because we've become overly cautious, and swinging things around to a more calculated risk-taking approach takes time.

Exactly what I was going to say. Once over 70's and vulnerable groups are vaccinated we CAN let covid run rampant if we want to. It won't matter if a nursing home nurse goes to a festival and picks up covid, because the nursing home residents will be vaccinated.

Now, over 70's, HCWs and vulnerable groups add up to about 1m of our population. So we're talking about letting the virus run rampant through the remaining 4m. A good chunk of 50-70 year olds do catch it will be hospitalised, even if they don't fall into a vulnerable category, just because of age. Can our hospitals cope with those hospitalisations? Maybe.

I expect that moderate restrictions will stay in place until all over 55s are vaccinated. Once they're done, we can let it rip through the rest of the community. For the vast vast majority of under 55s it will be a mild illness. It will be unfortunate if someone who had an undiagnosed condition, or who cannot take the vaccine for whatever reason, then falls seriously ill. But we cannot keep the economy closed to avoid that happening.

We'll be 100% back to normal by the summer, probably July. I expect the Olympics and European Championships to be with spectators, and no social distancing, by then.

BigMo1

The summer will be the determining factor. We had an average of around 20 new cases a day in June 2020. By June 2021 a chunk of the population will be vaccinated/already been infected and vaccine supply should not be an issue. In theory, cases should be even lower then.

I'd imagine government will be under significant pressure to open if cases are really low and everyone in the vulnerable categories are protected. The likelihood of mortality in those circumstances is tiny.

alentejo

This lockdown feels as if the government has closed up and thrown away the key. Seems like we might have some kind parole hearing in late March

Annasopra

Bracken81 wrote: »

I've a question I've not seen any journalists ask so far, probably wasted on here in fairness :-)

At 40,000 vaccinations per week......into a population of 5 million = 125 weeks to complete all
(this is only based on a 1 jab I believe, not the required 2 jabs with the vaccines)


Doesn't make for good reading and truly hope that timeframe is gutted by quite some margin

But there are other vaccines likely to be approved by EU so we can then increase the numbers

growleaves

Paddygreen

alentejo wrote: »

This lockdown feels as if the government has closed up and thrown away the key. Seems like we might have some kind parole hearing in late March

Too soon. If the economy has perish so that we don’t get the Covid then that’s what has to happen. We may well end up in the proverbial poor house but at least we won’t be spreader units, the reapers little helpers. Our experts and leaders would never mislead us to suit a different agenda. Impossible, we live in a free and open society, a democracy, that could never happen here.

Irish Steve

So, in the latest twist of the die, the UK has just changed the rules again, now from 4am Monday, no entry to UK without a negative test for anyone, regardless of where they are coming from, or nationality, and minimum of 10 days self isolation on arrival.

They're worried about the new strains coming out of places like Brazil.

In another report, 140,000 came home to Ireland for Christmas, and nearly half of them declined to give a contact address here. Wonder how many of them brought more than presents with them?

I heard from a family member today of a cluster in the UK, couple recently went from London to a small town in Devon called Dulverton for a shooting weekend. The lastest number of infections is 30, all the gamekeepers and most of the local shop keepers were infected as a result of their leisure weekend that broke all the rules.

While this sort of total sh1te continues, the chances of being able to start living even a new normal are getting smaller and smaller.

Ray Donovan

Micheal Martin's interview on Virgin Media News this evening wouldn't fill anyone with hope.

1. "Not for a while yet, not for a while yet" when asked about going for a pint.

2. Ruled out any St Patrick's festivities.

3. A better standard of living in the 3rd quarter

4. Did/Could not answer when asked when we would return to pre Covid normality.

Paddygreen

Irish Steve wrote: »

So, in the latest twist of the die, the UK has just changed the rules again, now from 4am Monday, no entry to UK without a negative test for anyone, regardless of where they are coming from, or nationality, and minimum of 10 days self isolation on arrival.

They're worried about the new strains coming out of places like Brazil.

In another report, 140,000 came home to Ireland for Christmas, and nearly half of them declined to give a contact address here. Wonder how many of them brought more than presents with them?

I heard from a family member today of a cluster in the UK, couple recently went from London to a small town in Devon called Dulverton for a shooting weekend. The lastest number of infections is 30, all the gamekeepers and most of the local shop keepers were infected as a result of their leisure weekend that broke all the rules.

While this sort of total sh1te continues, the chances of being able to start living even a new normal are getting smaller and smaller.

The bad behaviour is completely off the scale father. People out drinking, touching each other, enjoying themselves. Makes me sick, we need a curfew to knock the wind out of them. More socialism and less socialisation.

PTH2009

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Micheal Martin's interview on Virgin Media News this evening wouldn't fill anyone with hope.

1. "Not for a while yet, not for a while yet" when asked about going for a pint.

2. Ruled out any St Patrick's festivities.

3. A better standard of living in the 3rd quarter

4. Did/Could not answer when asked when we would return to pre Covid normality.

Farce

Bet other countries have plans in place to go back to normal while we have Levels 1/2 which still has a lot of restrictions

hmmm

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Micheal Martin's interview on Virgin Media News this evening wouldn't fill anyone with hope.

1. "Not for a while yet, not for a while yet" when asked about going for a pint.

2. Ruled out any St Patrick's festivities.

3. A better standard of living in the 3rd quarter

4. Did/Could not answer when asked when we would return to pre Covid normality.

I didn't hear the interview, but we'd all be better off I think if we'd accept that this isn't going to be massively better until the Summer. Do whatever you have to do to dig in and find something to keep you going. Nearly every generation goes through something like this and often a lot worse - e.g. world wars. The good news is that the vaccines are coming, and thankfully they are very good - and even if something happens with all these new "variants" we are hearing about, the vaccines can be changed quickly to cope. The end of this is in sight, and if history is any judge we're going to have a great time afterwards because we've all realised what we are missing.

Cerveza

PTH2009 wrote: »

Farce

Bet other countries have plans in place to go back to normal while we have Levels 1/2 which still has a lot of restrictions

Level 2 + 1 which in effect is level 3.

GT89

...Ghost... wrote: »

Go'way with your mental health façade. Most people are making big sacrifices, myself included.

Not because they want to, because they are being forced.

PTH2009

hmmm wrote: »

I didn't hear the interview, but we'd all be better off I think if we'd accept that this isn't going to be massively better until the Summer. Do whatever you have to do to dig in and find something to keep you going. Nearly every generation goes through something like this and often a lot worse - e.g. world wars. The good news is that the vaccines are coming, and thankfully they are very good - and even if something happens with all these new "variants" we are hearing about, the vaccines can be changed quickly to cope. The end of this is in sight, and if history is any judge we're going to have a great time afterwards because we've all realised what we are missing.

Wish i could be as positive as you. Sometimes finding it hard day by day with nothing to look forward too in terms of gigs/trips etc. Been out of work is a killer too

Hoping ill do something worthwhile by the end of the year in terms of a short trip away/gig etc

Cerveza wrote: »

Level 2 + 1 which in effect is level 3.

Levels 1/2/3 are massively restricted far from normal. Hospitality/Arts industry getting shafted

Paddygreen

GT89 wrote: »

Not because they want to, because they are being forced.

For the greater good, your civic duty, flatten the curve, etc. Pull on the green jersey there if it’s not to much bother for you and start holding firm like the rest of us, good lad. I fell off the bandwagon myself a couple of days ago. I have tied myself on to it now, never falling off again.

Micky 32

hmmm wrote: »

and if history is any judge we're going to have a great time afterwards because we've all realised what we are missing.

The roaring 20’s springs to mind that came after the spanish virus.

Irish Steve

Paddygreen wrote: »

The bad behaviour is completely off the scale father. People out drinking, touching each other, enjoying themselves. Makes me sick, we need a curfew to knock the wind out of them. More socialism and less socialisation.

If it was bad behaviour, then maybe a few Hail Mary's, an increase in the weekly envelope figure, and a couple of dozen decades of the Rosary might be the answer, it seems to be the standard answer for many of the issues that bedevil (and I use that word advisedly) Irish Society, and the Catholic church IS responsible for a lot of it, for generations, it has encouraged the concept of confession, and there are no consequences after that.

Some of the attitudes that are being revealed at the moment are orders of magnitude beyond that, I don't think we have a statute to fit the crime, it's beyond reckless endangerment, in that it IS resulting in deaths of people who in some cases did nothing wrong.

That is not the attitude that a caring society should be operating with, but it seems that for all the wrong reasons, many in this country have decided that other people no longer matter, and that they don't need to care about them.

If that's the Ireland of the future, then I'm glad I may not have many more years as a part of it, because that attitude stinks.

Dr. Bre

Paddygreen wrote: »

The bad behaviour is completely off the scale father. People out drinking, touching each other, enjoying themselves. Makes me sick, we need a curfew to knock the wind out of them. More socialism and less socialisation.

Didn’t you go to spar the other day !

Paddygreen

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Micheal Martin's interview on Virgin Media News this evening wouldn't fill anyone with hope.

4. Did/Could not answer when asked when we would return to pre Covid normality.

Still waiting on someone to tell him what the score is, any week now. He has a very comforting voice and demeanor , a bit like an undertaker, somber. I bet he was one of the best alter boys in the business back in the day, probably rang the bell, no doubt with panache. Some may call him glum but it’s a Taoiseach we need, not Mr Tumble.

Irish Steve

Irish Steve wrote: »

If it was bad behaviour, then maybe a few Hail Mary's, an increase in the weekly envelope figure, and a couple of dozen decades of the Rosary might be the answer, it seems to be the standard answer for many of the issues that bedevil (and I use that word advisedly) Irish Society, and the Catholic church IS responsible for a lot of it, for generations, it has encouraged the concept of confession, and there are no consequences after that.

The guy you were replying to had two English examples. Not sure what the Catholic Church had to do with it.

Paddygreen

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Didn’t you go to spar the other day !

I did yes, bought a can of Red Bull and did a few laps of the car park than something came over me and I headed north for at least seven km. My cat Mr Yagoda wasn’t impressed when I came back late.

jelem

After about 5 major killer variants - deposited at timely intervals - chem trail-
and minimum 18% reduction in population with commerce and trade destroyed.
was the only way to hide the complete failure of western capitalist democracy for
which trillions of dollars debt that can never be paid but usa alone keeps printing
fake money.
it was war or cull and reset - war was capitalist democracies most hated avenue as
would leave no escape route with nuclear devastation planet wide.
cull is the polititions and elites easy escape whilst majority suffer and die by virus or
starvation.

niallo27

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Micheal Martin's interview on Virgin Media News this evening wouldn't fill anyone with hope.

1. "Not for a while yet, not for a while yet" when asked about going for a pint.

2. Ruled out any St Patrick's festivities.

3. A better standard of living in the 3rd quarter

4. Did/Could not answer when asked when we would return to pre Covid normality.

Dangerous game to play, people need some kind of end date, something to hope for. Something to look forward to. I'm personally finding all this very tough. I don't see a way out.

GazzaL

We'll all be dead by the time this fiasco is over in Ireland. The rest of the world will move on without us.

Ray Donovan

niallo27 wrote: »

Dangerous game to play, people need some kind of end date, something to hope for. Something to look forward to. I'm personally finding all this very tough. I don't see a way out.

Ya very down over this myself tonight. It feels like I am existing rather than living with no change in sight and nothing to look forward to.