When will it all end?

Parachutes

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why would they want "to stretch things out further"?

They are in love with the "new normal" and are drunk on power. Will never want to see this end.

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why would they want "to stretch things out further"?

Because they are terrified of doing anything or making any decision. If the government thought they could get away with it, they’d lockdown for all of 2021 at least.

In fact, I’d be surprised if hospitality opens at all this year. There will always be excuses. New variant, vaccine delay, vaccine issue, need to prioritise schools, caution over winter etc

Ultimately it’s easier to force thousands out of work and into poverty and subject the country to inhumane lockdowns that are no longer effective.

Sharpyshoot

They will reopen up when Uk storms ahead and gets opened up.

themacattack.

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

They will reopen up when Uk storms ahead and gets opened up.

hoping that could be a game changer...the population are turning against lockdown rapidly...seeing the uk in restaurants,pubs,festivals,going on foreign holidays ect so close to home is going to evaporate any remaining support the coalition of doom have left

ujjjjjjjjj

bucketybuck wrote: »

I see NPHET have found their excuse to stretch things out further, Tony will be wetting himself at the chance to suspend the vaccine roll out.

Better go to level 6 with modifications and hold firm for another 2 months.

Amazing we haven't had Level 6 yet. I always felt 5 levels wasn't enough. 7 always had a nice ring to it and perhaps they could be changed back to the old cold war DEFCON levels with big flashing lights and Twitter links so we all get daily DEFCON levels tweet.

Sharpyshoot

Nphets days are numbered.

El_Duderino 09

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Because they are terrified of doing anything or making any decision. If the government thought they could get away with it, they’d lockdown for all of 2021 at least.

In fact, I’d be surprised if hospitality opens at all this year. There will always be excuses. New variant, vaccine delay, vaccine issue, need to prioritise schools, caution over winter etc

Ultimately it’s easier to force thousands out of work and into poverty and subject the country to inhumane lockdowns that are no longer effective.

Doom and gloom, doom and gloom, doom and gloom. That post was all OTT doom and gloom.

Things are getting better, we’re moving out of the covid season, weather is getting warmer, restrictions will be loosened in the coming months, vaccine is being rolled out to adults. Cop yourself on.

SnuggyBear

I think ill move to Northern Ireland for awhile. Jesus I never thought I'd say that.

Parachutes

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Doom and gloom, doom and gloom, doom and gloom. That post was all OTT doom and gloom.

Things are getting better, we’re moving out of the covid season, weather is getting warmer, restrictions will be loosened in the coming months, vaccine is being rolled out to adults. Cop yourself on.

Until there's an inevitable third wave in the winter and people like yourself are pushing for lockdowns again. People have short memories. They have no intention of letting this farce end anytime soon.

El_Duderino 09

Parachutes wrote: »

Until there's an inevitable third wave in the winter and people like yourself are pushing for lockdowns again. People have short memories. They have no intention of letting this farce end anytime soon.

I haven’t pushed for lockdowns. If it’s necessary in winter then we should have restrictions. If not then we shouldn’t.

What’s the story with all the doom and gloom this morning? Some posters blame RTE for reporting the news. But this above is just doom and gloom. It’s self-pity and it’s sad to see. Things are getting better.

Coillte_Bhoy

Deleted User wrote: »

I am very pro restrictions to get this down, but there needs to be some thought here. People are fed up, mixed signals etc.. I want to get a stira in my house for example, 1 guy in my house while I am at work, can't do it. I want to get my front drive redone, can't do it. Then I see vans outside loads of houses and construction going on, even saw new foundations going in at the back of a private housing estate. Did I condemn them, no I don't, people need an outlet and I don't see an issue with 1 or 2 guys doing work especially outside. Even if they banned internal work in a house being lived in but allowed external. I haven't got work done obiding the restrictions, I bought my house in Jan last year, had to live nearly in a building site during the first lockdown as everything just stopped, now I would like to get a few more things done and I can't.

I know you are going to reply the restrictions are necessary, I truly believe it was the pubs and socialising settings that caused the spikes in October and December, I don't think construction or basic retail did.

Why don't the shops be given an option that if they open it has to be extended,example being penneys, that should open 24 hours for the first week then only be allowed open if they open from 8am to 9pm every night. Restricting times baffled me, that herded more people in in a shorter time frame, id gladly go do my shopping later and always do with grocery shopping

Whats stopping you getting these things done? Im not being smart. Nobody is going to come to your house and halt the work, if you are being respectful of the guidelines then fair enough

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Doom and gloom, doom and gloom, doom and gloom. That post was all OTT doom and gloom.

Things are getting better, we’re moving out of the covid season, weather is getting warmer, restrictions will be loosened in the coming months, vaccine is being rolled out to adults. Cop yourself on.

I don’t care if it sounds like doom and gloom.
We have being in lockdown for almost half a year apart from some slight relaxations over Christmas.

Philip Nolan said yesterday just another 20 weeks.

MM has more or less confirmed already that nothing major is changing on Apr 5th.

And now we have suspended a vaccine when we are already going desperately slow compared to our neighbours on either side.

There is nothing to be positive about right now.

Dr. Bre

SnuggyBear wrote: »

I think ill move to Northern Ireland for awhile. Jesus I never thought I'd say that.

It’s not that bad!

Mr. Karate

Parachutes wrote: »

They are in love with the "new normal" and are drunk on power. Will never want to see this end.

Plus throughout all of this Michael Martin has had all the power of being Taoiesach with none of the responsibilities since Holohan and NPHET are running the Country. Gee. I wonder why martin is happy enough to keep kicking this can down the road until Dec of 2022 when it will be Varadkar's problem again.

Coillte_Bhoy

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

Nphets days are numbered.

Care to elaborate?

Monster249

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I'm extremely fed up with this as well and disagree with plenty of NPHET's decisions but I seriously doubt they're extending this for as long as possible or enjoying it. They're conservative and cautious, nothing more.

Exactly, it's not their fault. Their job is to be cautious.

It's the governments fault for not adding any nuance to the discussion and actually leading.

Parachutes

Parachutes wrote: »

They are in love with the "new normal" and are drunk on power. Will never want to see this end.

What absolute rubbish.
Anyone who believes that there are powers in this country who want a never ending lockdown need to get themselves over to the conspiracy forum

CalamariFritti

I think people who are saying that goverment/nphet are loving this and are on a power trip etc are getting carried away wit their frustration.

Thats not saying I agree with them.

ypres5

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I'm extremely fed up with this as well and disagree with plenty of NPHET's decisions but I seriously doubt they're extending this for as long as possible or enjoying it. They're conservative and cautious, nothing more.

i do think they're starting to enjoy their position of influence a bit too much. they know at this point that the government aren't going to go against them ever again nphet de facto set the agenda

Sharpyshoot

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Care to elaborate?

As much as you might like the daily briefings and the power control they have their days are numbered.

ingo1984

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Because they are terrified of doing anything or making any decision. If the government thought they could get away with it, they’d lockdown for all of 2021 at least.

In fact, I’d be surprised if hospitality opens at all this year. There will always be excuses. New variant, vaccine delay, vaccine issue, need to prioritise schools, caution over winter etc

Ultimately it’s easier to force thousands out of work and into poverty and subject the country to inhumane lockdowns that are no longer effective.

Lockdowns are only enforceable whilst there is obedience by the general public. As we have seen in the past few weeks that is starting to wane. Eventually it will get to a stage where imposing restrictions will be futile. Also, money funding the supports will dry up.

Mr. Karate

Deleted User wrote: »

I don’t care if it sounds like doom and gloom.
We have being in lockdown for almost half a year apart from some slight relaxations over Christmas.

Philip Nolan said yesterday just another 20 weeks.

MM has more or less confirmed already that nothing major is changing on Apr 5th.

And now we have suspended a vaccine when we are already going desperately slow compared to our neighbours on either side.

There is nothing to be positive about right now.

They can go **** themselves if they think we're going to lockdown all Summer. Maybe get some freedom in Sept and then throw us back into lockdown again in Winter and we're here this time next year wonder when they'll finally let us out.

Thank God I've been emailing my CVs abroad. I'm refuse to work until I drop dead to pay for this nonsense.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

Mr. Karate wrote: »

They can go **** themselves if they think we're going to lockdown all Summer. Maybe get some freedom in Sept and then throw us back into lockdown again in Winter and we're here this time next year wonder when they'll finally let us out.

Thank God I've been emailing my CVs abroad. I'm refuse to work until I drop dead to pay for this nonsense.

Other countries are in lockdown too, not just ireland.

Other countries are also paying for it and economies in trouble and will need to be paid back too. So don't really see what you're trying to prove there

PTH2009

Looking like if you want to see a gig or match it's over to the UK

Monster249

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Other countries are in lockdown too, not just ireland.

Other countries are also paying for it and economies in trouble and will need to be paid back too. So don't really see what you're trying to prove there

You've missed the point. It's the harshness and sheer length of time we've been in lockdown relative to the rest of Europe. It's also the nonsensical elements of our lockdown.

Lockdowns are fine and work when used correctly, not when you operate with them as your plan A.

KaneToad

ypres5 wrote: »

i do think they're starting to enjoy their position of influence a bit too much. they know at this point that the government aren't going to go against them ever again nphet de facto set the agenda

I disagree. They all have very well paid 'normal' jobs which are far less stressful. They have nothing to gain by the existence of NPHET. Unless they are sociopaths

Risteard81

Monster249 wrote: »

Lockdowns are fine and work when used correctly

They are never fine. There is no "correct" usage of totalitarian social control measures. These are extremely serious crimes against the Irish People.

Micky 32

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Other countries are in lockdown too, not just ireland.

Other countries are also paying for it and economies in trouble and will need to be paid back too. So don't really see what you're trying to prove there

He’s thinking of the United States like some others including myself if the situation doesn’t improve here by the end of the year. Total different kettle of fish especially once the masses are vaccinated over there.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

Monster249 wrote: »

You've missed the point. It's the harshness and sheer length of time we've been in lockdown relative to the rest of Europe. It's also the nonsensical elements of our lockdown.

Lockdowns are fine and work when used correctly, not when you operate with them as your plan A.

I don't disagree with getting out of ireland, don't get me wrong, I moved out of Ireland at the beginning of this year but have a better reason to leave ireland than the extremity of a lockdown.

Scotty #

Monster249 wrote: »

You've missed the point. It's the harshness and sheer length of time we've been in lockdown relative to the rest of Europe.

In mid January we had the highest infection rate in the world. Is it not expected then that we would have the harshest restrictions afterwards?

At least our number are going in the right direction. For 31 out of 40 countries in Europe their numbers have risen over the last 4 weeks.