When will it all end?

El_Duderino 09

Scotty # wrote: »

Abysmal numbers this week.

Just 1% drop in the 7-day average from last Saturday to today.

We need to either enforce lockdown more or introduce more restrictions if we are to have any hope of easing restrictions this side of 2022.

Date|7Day Avg.|Change
02/01/2021|1,647|
09/01/2021|6,257|-280%
16/01/2021|4,150|34%
23/01/2021|2,343|44%
30/01/2021|1,303|44%
06/02/2021|1,035|21%
13/02/2021|893|14%
20/02/2021|797|11%
27/02/2021|657|18%
06/03/2021|531|19%
13/03/2021|526|1%

They’ll probably just do exactly what they’re doing and wait for numbers to drop as the weather warms over the next month or two.

People call for personal responsibility but I think numbers would only go up if we relied on personal responsibility.

We’ll have to see what happens with the 7day average over the next few weeks. Presumably it will continue to fall

the kelt

Deleted User wrote: »

I am very pro restrictions to get this down, but there needs to be some thought here. People are fed up, mixed signals etc.. I want to get a stira in my house for example, 1 guy in my house while I am at work, can't do it. I want to get my front drive redone, can't do it. Then I see vans outside loads of houses and construction going on, even saw new foundations going in at the back of a private housing estate. Did I condemn them, no I don't, people need an outlet and I don't see an issue with 1 or 2 guys doing work especially outside. Even if they banned internal work in a house being lived in but allowed external. I haven't got work done obiding the restrictions, I bought my house in Jan last year, had to live nearly in a building site during the first lockdown as everything just stopped, now I would like to get a few more things done and I can't.

I know you are going to reply the restrictions are necessary, I truly believe it was the pubs and socialising settings that caused the spikes in October and December, I don't think construction or basic retail did.

Why don't the shops be given an option that if they open it has to be extended,example being penneys, that should open 24 hours for the first week then only be allowed open if they open from 8am to 9pm every night. Restricting times baffled me, that herded more people in in a shorter time frame, id gladly go do my shopping later and always do with grocery shopping

Ye see that makes too much sense for people who’s response to lockdown no longer working is ....... more lockdown!

And secondly that requires thought which a lot of people including those that are running the country aren’t capable of because ye know, emm, lockdown. Followed by inevitable plateau that we have seen before followed by emm, ehhh, lockdown.

It’s almost like lockdown shouldn’t be used as your primary means of controlling the virus. If only we had the WHO is similar actually telling us that for example.

El_Duderino 09

Scotty # wrote: »

Ireland is one of only 9 countries in Europe where the numbers are coming down (or were, up til this week). In 31 countries the numbers are going up, in some, seriously so.

Our lockdowns have worked. This one has now stopped working mainly due to complacency IMO. If we are to get out of lockdown any time in the next 12 months then we need to seriously get our numbers down further. How do you suggest we do that? Vaccinating probably isn't being done fast enough to have a significant impact for the next several months.

The uk variant is having a big effect. The restrictions used last year wouldn’t be as effective this year as the virus is more transmissible now than it was a year ago. But we will surely get out of lockdown during the summer. Restrictions will surely be relaxed in the next couple of months as the weather warms.

As restrictions are loosened, cases will go up. I hope the government is prepared live with higher number of cases per day than last summer. With this variant, it might be very hard to get down to the numbers we had last summer. And as we vaccinate adults throughout the summer, it will give them scope to loosen restrictions. Whether or not we’ll be able to get rid of all restrictions, like social distancing, before winter remains to be seen.

Hopefully things go well during the summer and we can take winter as it comes.

JaCrispy

Scotty # wrote: »

Abysmal numbers this week.

Just 1% drop in the 7-day average from last Saturday to today.

We need to either enforce lockdown more or introduce more restrictions if we are to have any hope of easing restrictions this side of 2022.

Date|7Day Avg.|Change
02/01/2021|1,647|
09/01/2021|6,257|-280%
16/01/2021|4,150|34%
23/01/2021|2,343|44%
30/01/2021|1,303|44%
06/02/2021|1,035|21%
13/02/2021|893|14%
20/02/2021|797|11%
27/02/2021|657|18%
06/03/2021|531|19%
13/03/2021|526|1%

Numbers me hole. It's the hospitalizations, icu numbers, deaths etc that are the real numbers. Who cares if a family of 5 all gets infected if they don't have to present at hospital or even go to bed. This obsession with insignificant numbers that has no affect on bigger picture is mind boggling.

El_Duderino 09

JaCrispy wrote: »

Numbers me hole. It's the hospitalizations, icu numbers, deaths etc that are the real numbers. Who cares if a family of 5 all gets infected if they don't have to present at hospital or even go to bed. This obsession with insignificant numbers that has no affect on bigger picture is mind boggling.

The numbers go down: look at the numbers going down, time to reopen!
The numbers stop going down: numbers me hole.

Do we know the hospitalisation and ICU numbers?

JaCrispy

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The numbers go down: look at the numbers going down, time to reopen!
The numbers stop going down: numbers me hole.

Do we know the hospitalisation and ICU numbers?

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing



But you missed my point completely. I'm not saying open or enforce stricter lockdown, I'm saying that the data presented to the public at 6pm every day should focus on the meaningful figures like hospitalisations, icu figures and deaths. Especially when more people are being vaccinated. Who cares if a vaccinated person gets covid and gets nothing more than a sniffle, what purpose does that serve....other than spreading fear into society.

Scotty #

JaCrispy wrote: »

Numbers me hole. It's the hospitalizations, icu numbers, deaths etc that are the real numbers. Who cares if a family of 5 all gets infected if they don't have to present at hospital or even go to bed. This obsession with insignificant numbers that has no affect on bigger picture is mind boggling.

The daily case number trends have a direct correlation on the hospitalisations and ICU numbers coming down the line. They're the clearest indication of what's coming and how they are trending is absolutely relevant.

El_Duderino 09

JaCrispy wrote: »

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing



But you missed my point completely. I'm not saying open or enforce stricter lockdown, I'm saying that the data presented to the public at 6pm every day should focus on the meaningful figures like hospitalisations, icu figures and deaths. Especially when more people are being vaccinated. Who cares if a vaccinated person gets covid and gets nothing more than a sniffle, what purpose does that serve....other than spreading fear into society.

The public are not good at numbers. What people need is a simple number that goes up=bad, down=good. The case numbers were a good indicator early on. Now it isn’t as useful as it was for the reasons you point out.

Lots of numbers confuse people and they start taking any meanings they want from them. It would be better to change to watching hospitalisation and icu and death numbers rather than just cases. The case number isn’t irrelevant though. It carries useful information

Scotty #

Deleted User wrote: »

I know you are going to reply the restrictions are necessary, I truly believe it was the pubs and socialising settings that caused the spikes in October and December, I don't think construction or basic retail did.

No, I've said all along that in my opinion retail, hair, sport, etc that can operate safely should be allowed to do so.

I'm not a fan of restrictions or lockdowns! I just don't have a better solution for now.

RGS

Scotty # wrote: »

The daily case number trends have a direct correlation on the hospitalisations and ICU numbers coming down the line. They're the clearest indication of what's coming and how they are trending is absolutely relevant.

That's not necessarily true given the level of vaccination in healthcare settings and the amount of over 85 s vaccinated.

We have been advised healthcare infections are down around 90 per cent.

We appear to be in a different place now that last summer/autumn.

Scotty #

RGS wrote: »

That's not necessarily true given the level of vaccination in healthcare settings and the amount of over 85 s vaccinated.

We have been advised healthcare infections are down around 90 per cent.

Yea I would agree with the point you are making. Hopefully as the vaccine is rolled further the gap between cases and acute cases widens.

HansKroenke

JaCrispy wrote: »

Numbers me hole. It's the hospitalizations, icu numbers, deaths etc that are the real numbers. Who cares if a family of 5 all gets infected if they don't have to present at hospital or even go to bed. This obsession with insignificant numbers that has no affect on bigger picture is mind boggling.

So important that people don't lose sight of this key point. Case numbers are utterly useless by themselves. Anyone can get covid, some may need to rest up a few days at home in bed, a few may end up in hospital but all that matters is those that do get the treatment they can. It's important to remember this. For those that are terrified of contracting it, just stay at home and wait it out until you can get your vaccine.

seansouth36

JaCrispy wrote: »

Numbers me hole. It's the hospitalizations, icu numbers, deaths etc that are the real numbers. Who cares if a family of 5 all gets infected if they don't have to present at hospital or even go to bed. This obsession with insignificant numbers that has no affect on bigger picture is mind boggling.

While clearly case numbers are not as important as hospitalisations/ICU numbers, there's obviously a link between the two. The more people that have Covid, the more hospitalisations/ICU numbers. That family of 5 might not get it bad, but they may pass it to someone who does and ends up clogging up a hospital bed.

bucketybuck

I see NPHET have found their excuse to stretch things out further, Tony will be wetting himself at the chance to suspend the vaccine roll out.

Better go to level 6 with modifications and hold firm for another 2 months.

Kermit.de.frog

bucketybuck wrote: »

I see NPHET have found their excuse to stretch things out further, Tony will be wetting himself at the chance to suspend the vaccine roll out.

Better go to level 6 with modifications and hold firm for another 2 months.

Why would they want "to stretch things out further"?

Sharpyshoot

bucketybuck wrote: »

I see NPHET have found their excuse to stretch things out further, Tony will be wetting himself at the chance to suspend the vaccine roll out.

Better go to level 6 with modifications and hold firm for another 2 months.

They will cream at this evenings briefing.

El_Duderino 09

bucketybuck wrote: »

I see NPHET have found their excuse to stretch things out further, Tony will be wetting himself at the chance to suspend the vaccine roll out.

Better go to level 6 with modifications and hold firm for another 2 months.

What’s the excuse?

Sharpyshoot

Level 5 plus 1 coming down the tracks.

bucketybuck

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

They will cream at this evenings briefing.

I can predict RTE's headlines already.

"FEAR FEAR FEAR!!!"

Parachutes

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why would they want "to stretch things out further"?

They are in love with the "new normal" and are drunk on power. Will never want to see this end.

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why would they want "to stretch things out further"?

Because they are terrified of doing anything or making any decision. If the government thought they could get away with it, they’d lockdown for all of 2021 at least.

In fact, I’d be surprised if hospitality opens at all this year. There will always be excuses. New variant, vaccine delay, vaccine issue, need to prioritise schools, caution over winter etc

Ultimately it’s easier to force thousands out of work and into poverty and subject the country to inhumane lockdowns that are no longer effective.

Sharpyshoot

They will reopen up when Uk storms ahead and gets opened up.

themacattack.

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

They will reopen up when Uk storms ahead and gets opened up.

hoping that could be a game changer...the population are turning against lockdown rapidly...seeing the uk in restaurants,pubs,festivals,going on foreign holidays ect so close to home is going to evaporate any remaining support the coalition of doom have left

ujjjjjjjjj

bucketybuck wrote: »

I see NPHET have found their excuse to stretch things out further, Tony will be wetting himself at the chance to suspend the vaccine roll out.

Better go to level 6 with modifications and hold firm for another 2 months.

Amazing we haven't had Level 6 yet. I always felt 5 levels wasn't enough. 7 always had a nice ring to it and perhaps they could be changed back to the old cold war DEFCON levels with big flashing lights and Twitter links so we all get daily DEFCON levels tweet.

Sharpyshoot

Nphets days are numbered.

El_Duderino 09

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Because they are terrified of doing anything or making any decision. If the government thought they could get away with it, they’d lockdown for all of 2021 at least.

In fact, I’d be surprised if hospitality opens at all this year. There will always be excuses. New variant, vaccine delay, vaccine issue, need to prioritise schools, caution over winter etc

Ultimately it’s easier to force thousands out of work and into poverty and subject the country to inhumane lockdowns that are no longer effective.

Doom and gloom, doom and gloom, doom and gloom. That post was all OTT doom and gloom.

Things are getting better, we’re moving out of the covid season, weather is getting warmer, restrictions will be loosened in the coming months, vaccine is being rolled out to adults. Cop yourself on.

SnuggyBear

I think ill move to Northern Ireland for awhile. Jesus I never thought I'd say that.

Parachutes

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Doom and gloom, doom and gloom, doom and gloom. That post was all OTT doom and gloom.

Things are getting better, we’re moving out of the covid season, weather is getting warmer, restrictions will be loosened in the coming months, vaccine is being rolled out to adults. Cop yourself on.

Until there's an inevitable third wave in the winter and people like yourself are pushing for lockdowns again. People have short memories. They have no intention of letting this farce end anytime soon.

El_Duderino 09

Parachutes wrote: »

Until there's an inevitable third wave in the winter and people like yourself are pushing for lockdowns again. People have short memories. They have no intention of letting this farce end anytime soon.

I haven’t pushed for lockdowns. If it’s necessary in winter then we should have restrictions. If not then we shouldn’t.

What’s the story with all the doom and gloom this morning? Some posters blame RTE for reporting the news. But this above is just doom and gloom. It’s self-pity and it’s sad to see. Things are getting better.

Coillte_Bhoy

Deleted User wrote: »

I am very pro restrictions to get this down, but there needs to be some thought here. People are fed up, mixed signals etc.. I want to get a stira in my house for example, 1 guy in my house while I am at work, can't do it. I want to get my front drive redone, can't do it. Then I see vans outside loads of houses and construction going on, even saw new foundations going in at the back of a private housing estate. Did I condemn them, no I don't, people need an outlet and I don't see an issue with 1 or 2 guys doing work especially outside. Even if they banned internal work in a house being lived in but allowed external. I haven't got work done obiding the restrictions, I bought my house in Jan last year, had to live nearly in a building site during the first lockdown as everything just stopped, now I would like to get a few more things done and I can't.

I know you are going to reply the restrictions are necessary, I truly believe it was the pubs and socialising settings that caused the spikes in October and December, I don't think construction or basic retail did.

Why don't the shops be given an option that if they open it has to be extended,example being penneys, that should open 24 hours for the first week then only be allowed open if they open from 8am to 9pm every night. Restricting times baffled me, that herded more people in in a shorter time frame, id gladly go do my shopping later and always do with grocery shopping

Whats stopping you getting these things done? Im not being smart. Nobody is going to come to your house and halt the work, if you are being respectful of the guidelines then fair enough