When will it all end?

Patrick2010

I'd say a lot of work went into practicing and filming this

https://www.facebook.com/irishmirror/videos/doctors-and-nurses-from-the-mater-hospital-in-dublin-created-their-own-dance-to-/1090382821345924/

ELM327

Deleted User wrote: »

This is true only for asocial couch potato hermits with desk jobs.

Beyond seeing friends and having regular access for my partner to her kids, our lives have continued on.


Both work from home in fintech, seen raises over the time (even got a promotion to lead analyst) and seen our shares portfolio rise exponentially to the point where it's funding a house deposit.


We are super privileged to have done well out of the lockdown. I count my lucky stars every day.


Not everyone has been as lucky, and the time is nigh to open up now for those people's benefit. We have over a year's data. We have vaccines. We have knowlege. We have plentiful masks, PPE, social distancing etc.


We don't need a lockdown.



(FWIW I would still remain at home except for essential journeys, but that should be a choice and not a law.)

aido79

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

I would really be of the opinion that all that matters is keeping an eye on ICU numbers and deaths. Hospitalization for minor treatment isn't exactly an issue.

At what level do you start reacting to hospital numbers increasing? When they get to 80% capacity? 90% capacity? 100% capacity?...knowing that the cases are rising exponentially because that's what will be happening if hospital numbers are at those levels.
I'm sure you will know that from your "analytical skills and intelligence ". You'll also know that any reaction to rising case numbers will take 2 weeks to have any effect so case numbers rising exponentially for 2 weeks while hospital bed are filling up at roughly 6% of that exponential rate could mean a lot of people suffer unnecessarily.

Or maybe your "analytical skills and intelligence" only stretch far enough to think of yourself and you're too short sighted to see anything else.

I would be fairly confident on taking my chances with covid and beating it just like the majority of people in my age group but I'd also like to know that the option would be there for minor treatment in a hospital if I required it. This may not be an option if hospitals are over run.

suicide_circus

Deleted User wrote: »

700000 unemployed... “Tiny proportion “

We're all in this together

ELM327

suicide_circus wrote: »

We're all in this together

10-14 days to flatten the curve.

Scotty #

SnuggyBear wrote: »

How can anyone say that with a straight face. Unbelievable

I'm in an industrial park in North County Dublin at the moment. 41 businesses. Not a single one closed or not trading! Even the gym was open this morning as it has been every single morning throughout.

Retail park nearby,
Halfords - Open
Argos - Open
Homebase - Open
Harvey Norman - Open
DID Electrical - Open
Aldi - Open
Costa Coffee - Open
Home store and more - Open
Fast fit - Open
TK Max -Closed

All the local parks, public amenities, all open and being enjoyed.

This notion that we're all sitting at home feeling suicidal is pure nonsense. Yes, there may some who are suffering terrible and I have huge sympathy for them but it's certainly not the norm. For the vast majority of the population life is carrying on and will continue to carry on until we can get back to some sort of normality.

The pandemic and it's restrictions have hit some harder than others for sure, but just 'cause you've been put out does not mean the rest of us have to throw all precautions out the window. We'll open back up when it's good and safe to do so for everyone and the sooner the better.

SnuggyBear

Scotty # wrote: »

I'm in an industrial park in North County Dublin at the moment. 41 businesses. Not a single one closed or not trading! Even the gym was open this morning as it has been every single morning throughout.

Retail park nearby,
Halfords - Open
Argos - Open
Homebase - Open
Harvey Norman - Open
DID Electrical - Open
Aldi - Open
Costa Coffee - Open
Home store and more - Open
Fast fit - Open
TK Max -Closed

All the local parks, public amenities, all open and being enjoyed.

This notion that we're all sitting at home feeling suicidal is pure nonsense. Yes, there may some who are suffering terrible and I have huge sympathy for them but it's certainly not the norm. For the vast majority of the population life is carrying on and will continue to carry on until we can get back to some sort of normality.

The pandemic and it's restrictions have hit some harder than others for sure, but just 'cause you've been put out does not mean the rest of us have to throw all precautions out the window. We'll open back up when it's good and safe to do so for everyone and the sooner the better.

Well you have convinced me. Everything is rosie

the kelt

Scotty # wrote: »

I'm in an industrial park in North County Dublin at the moment. 41 businesses. Not a single one closed or not trading! Even the gym was open this morning as it has been every single morning throughout.

Retail park nearby,
Halfords - Open
Argos - Open
Homebase - Open
Harvey Norman - Open
DID Electrical - Open
Aldi - Open
Costa Coffee - Open
Home store and more - Open
Fast fit - Open
TK Max -Closed

All the local parks, public amenities, all open and being enjoyed.

This notion that we're all sitting at home feeling suicidal is pure nonsense. Yes, there may some who are suffering terrible and I have huge sympathy for them but it's certainly not the norm. For the vast majority of the population life is carrying on and will continue to carry on until we can get back to some sort of normality.

The pandemic and it's restrictions have hit some harder than others for sure, but just 'cause you've been put out does not mean the rest of us have to throw all precautions out the window. We'll open back up when it's good and safe to do so for everyone and the sooner the better.

Sure there ye go!!

If your feeling down, lost your business, isolated just visit this magic industrial park where a business can be both open and closed at the same time!

Could be a tourist attraction that!!

Oh sorry theyre not allowed open!

suicide_circus

Scotty # wrote: »

This notion that we're all sitting at home feeling suicidal is pure nonsense.

Not all, many. Not you obviously, youre alright Jack.

bucketybuck

aido79 wrote: »

At what level do you start reacting to hospital numbers increasing?

At what level do we react to them decreasing?

SnuggyBear

Go into argos and see what you can buy. Very little.

bucketybuck

Scotty # wrote: »

This notion that we're all sitting at home feeling suicidal is pure nonsense. Yes, there may some who are suffering terrible and I have huge sympathy for them but it's certainly not the norm. For the vast majority of the population life is carrying on and will continue to carry on until we can get back to some sort of normality.

You don't have any sympathy for them, you don't even think they exist at all.

"I'm alright Jack and who cares about the riff raff".

No wonder you are a constant apologist for the government with that mentality.

Scotty #

Scotty # wrote: »

I'm in an industrial park in North County Dublin at the moment. 41 businesses. Not a single one closed or not trading! Even the gym was open this morning as it has been every single morning throughout.

Retail park nearby,
Halfords - Open
Argos - Open
Homebase - Open
Harvey Norman - Open
DID Electrical - Open
Aldi - Open
Costa Coffee - Open
Home store and more - Open
Fast fit - Open
TK Max -Closed

All the local parks, public amenities, all open and being enjoyed.

This notion that we're all sitting at home feeling suicidal is pure nonsense. Yes, there may some who are suffering terrible and I have huge sympathy for them but it's certainly not the norm. For the vast majority of the population life is carrying on and will continue to carry on until we can get back to some sort of normality.

The pandemic and it's restrictions have hit some harder than others for sure, but just 'cause you've been put out does not mean the rest of us have to throw all precautions out the window. We'll open back up when it's good and safe to do so for everyone and the sooner the better.

According to the guidelines you're so enamoured with, people shouldn't be "enjoying" the amenities and shops. They should be staying home unless leaving for exercise within 5km or making an essential trip. The toys in Tesco are cordoned off, for ****s sakes.

Your assessment that "life is carrying on" is based on a misunderstanding of restrictions. It is asinine to say that the mental health issues coming to light because of restrictions are NBD when in the next breath you make it clear that you don't actually know what those restrictions are, and/or you're actually just not really following the restrictions, then coming here to berate people who are following them and being affected by doing so.

Quazzie

the kelt wrote: »

Sure there ye go!!

If your feeling down, lost your business, isolated just visit this magic industrial park where a business can be both open and closed at the same time!

Could be a tourist attraction that!!

Oh sorry theyre not allowed open!

Learn to read. TK Maxx is in the estate close by

:rolleyes:

Scotty #

bucketybuck wrote: »

You don't have any sympathy for them, you don't even think they exist at all.

Yea sure, that's exactly what I said! :rolleyes:

GazzaL

Scotty's grand everyone, nothing to see here.

SnuggyBear

Quazzie wrote: »

Learn to read. TK Maxx is in the estate close by

:rolleyes:

Don't worry if its closed anyway cos you can go to aldi. Woop woop aldi here I come, life is good! Maybe go to Did and buy a new Oled TV with my pup

Scotty #

GazzaL wrote: »

Scotty's grand everyone, nothing to see here.

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Don't worry if its closed anyway cos you can go to aldi. Woop woop aldi here I come, life is good!

the kelt wrote: »

Sure there ye go!!

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Well you have convinced me. Everything is rosie

the kelt wrote: »

Would love to know whats open in the industrial park mind, trying to plan what to do with the kids this Wednesday!

All lads you are doing it yet again. "I've no counter argument or anything remotely intelligent to say so I'll just come out with some nonsense". Ye do it every single time. It's really very telling.

the kelt

Quazzie wrote: »

Learn to read. TK Maxx is in the estate close by

:rolleyes:

Well fook it im not going then, thats it.

Would love to know whats open in the industrial park mind, trying to plan what to do with the kids this Wednesday!

gozunda

ArthurDayne wrote: »

This has been a problem, driven largely by moral absolutism. When people take a high ground, on the premise that they are the ones who care about others while the anti-lockdown crowd are selfish cretins — its hard to advocate even moderate lifting of restrictions because it means at least some more people will die and Mr / Mrs Morality finds themselves in the selfish cretin bucket too...where one becomes an ‘apologist’ for the concept that even saving lives is a question of proportionality versus freedom. So the only way to maintain one’s ethical purity is to simply find the lowest risk approach and constantly advocate it, then blame others for being uncaring when an elevated risk appetite leads to at least some elevation in death numbers.
Then will come the day where Covid deaths are at a number they deem to be tolerable, and suddenly the ‘caring’ people won’t care about the deaths anymore.

The premise of your argument is incorrect. The use of restrictions is to help reduce the rate of infection and allow health services to be able to treat those who become infected and require hospitalisation and other services.

Crazy that we're 12 months in and some are still insisting that the fight against Covid 19 is solely based on mortality especially considering this has been pointed out ad nauseam.

There will come the day where Covid infection rates are at a level where vaccination can manage to prevent large scale outbreaks and at that point hopefully everyone will remember all those who have died

niallo27

Scotty # wrote: »

All lads you are doing it yet again. "I've no counter argument or anything remotely intelligent to say so I'll just come out with some nonsense". Ye do it every single time. It's really very telling.

What can people do socially though, how can you call life moral if there is nothing to do. I'm not talking about pints, I am talking about any bit of social interaction at all.

hynesie08

the kelt wrote: »

Well fook it im not going then, thats it.

Would love to know whats open in the industrial park mind, trying to plan what to do with the kids this Wednesday!

If it's the one I'm thinking of, you can buy parts for your car or you can send a parcel, lots of fun for all the family.

aido79

bucketybuck wrote: »

At what level do we react to them decreasing?

Remind me again what has happened every other time we reacted to them decreasing.

oleg12390

Just wanted to ask public opinion around Covid passports, do we need them? It feels like a good idea, e.g. if I went through Covid illness and developed my antibodies, can I get more freedom? Or got vaccinated? Any news on this heard?

Scotty #

Scotty # wrote: »

All lads you are doing it yet again. "I've no counter argument or anything remotely intelligent to say so I'll just come out with some nonsense". Ye do it every single time. It's really very telling.

Any substance to your arguments is in tiny proportion, you lost all credibility when flippantly dismissing struggles of a significant number of people forced out of employment through no fault of their own.

Kunta Kinte

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Some are just fcuking idiots who prefer to bury their heads in the sand and ignore reality.

A rare moment of introspection from you there, Kunta.

bucketybuck

aido79 wrote: »

Remind me again what has happened every other time we reacted to them decreasing.

Thats pure deflection and you know it, why not just answer the simple question?

At what level should we react to hospital numbers decreasing?

Scotty #

Deleted User wrote: »

Any substance to your arguments is in tiny proportion, you lost all credibility when flippantly dismissing struggles of a significant number of people forced out of employment through no fault of their own.

I specifically agreed there were people facing such struggles. In your head, how does that equate to dismissing them?

SnuggyBear

Scotty # wrote: »

All lads you are doing it yet again. "I've no counter argument or anything remotely intelligent to say so I'll just come out with some nonsense". Ye do it every single time. It's really very telling.

This coming from someone who said only a tiny minority are affected. You are not worth taking seriously.

Graces7

newuser99999 wrote: »

Oh cut the crap.

Coming from an organisation who has NCHDs working 70+ hours a week I’m so sure that they care about the health and well being of their staff.

Non sequitur. Killjoy!