When will it all end?

ypres5

xhomelezz wrote: »

It's enough to read comments there, that gives you enough of insight. Certainly not representative of entire population. At least not the population I live with.

They have enough of a chunk of online readership for their poll to have an accurate enough barometer as much as some on here stamp their feet and say otherwise

https://www.thejournal.ie/thejournal-tops-reuters-institute-digital-news-report-2018-4066829-Jun2018/

ypres5

Lundstram wrote: »

So, to sum up this whole polling thing.

The Journal is inhabited by lower class losers (those most affected by restrictions) whose opinion doesn't matter but "reputable polling companies" who mainly poll/responded to by middle/higher class folk (those not affected as much by restrictions) and are to be trusted 100%. The pulse of the nation.

Have a nice Sunday.

and also the journal doesn't have a wide enough range of readers for the poll to be accurate (despite being the most popular online news site in the country)

Coillte_Bhoy

Lundstram wrote: »

So, to sum up this whole polling thing.

The Journal is inhabited by lower class losers (those most affected by restrictions) whose opinion doesn't matter but "reputable polling companies" who mainly poll/responded to by middle/higher class folk (those not affected as much by restrictions) and are to be trusted 100%. The pulse of the nation.

Have a nice Sunday.

Ah this is nonsense now in fairness. A nationwide poll to guage opinion on a national issue is going to be representative of the population as a whole. Thats the whole point. Within that poll responses can also be broken down according to class, gender etc?

ypres5

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

fair enough, but if it was just an open poll on their website where anyone could give a response then its not worth tuppence in comparison to a proper professional scientific poll.

what do you mean by the anyone part? surely the best poll is one that's done as randomly as possible to avoid being skewed by things like age demographic or income level?

xhomelezz

ypres5 wrote: »

They have enough of a chunk of online readership for their poll to have an accurate enough barometer as much as some on here stamp their feet and say otherwise

https://www.thejournal.ie/thejournal-tops-reuters-institute-digital-news-report-2018-4066829-Jun2018/

I was talking about comments.

Anyway polls taken like that are nowhere close to accurate enough barometer.. Proper polls are taken different way, but I guess you know that.

Better opinions polls are more expensive because pollsters need to spend more effort getting a representative and honest sample of voters.

Journal.ie doesn't do that.

Coillte_Bhoy

ypres5 wrote: »

and also the journal doesn't have a wide enough range of readers for the poll to be accurate (despite being the most popular online news site in the country)

It probably doesnt have a wide enough range no, id imagine younger people are overly represented.

Out of curiosity is it the most popular online news site and how is this measured?

Ok isee it now in your link. I would regard that survey as being a reputable professional one

Coillte_Bhoy

ypres5 wrote: »

what do you mean by the anyone part? surely the best poll is one that's done as randomly as possible to avoid being skewed by things like age demographic or income level?

Anyone ie anyone who sees the poll can respond, waste of time really.

ypres5

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Anyone ie anyone who sees the poll can respond, waste of time really.

So how is one normally deemed worthy to share their opinion in a poll?

ypres5

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

It probably doesnt have a wide enough range no, id imagine younger people are overly represented.

Out of curiosity is it the most popular online news site and how is this measured?

https://www.thejournal.ie/thejournal-tops-reuters-institute-digital-news-report-2018-4066829-Jun2018/

Coillte_Bhoy

ypres5 wrote: »

So how is one normally deemed worthy to share their opinion in a poll?

You are missing the point, thats not what happens. Polling companies will try to get as representative as possible a sample to represent the general population. they dont just go out on the street and ask the first 1,000 random people they meet, its broken down by a number of factors, class, age, gender etc etc. Look polling isnt perfect, far form it but i think they generally get things right on reflecting public opinion. eg look at the political polls in Ireland, every month the results are nearly always the same, Fg and Sf hovering around the 30% mark, Ff 18-20%, PBP, Aontu 3%, lab, SDs 5/6%, Greens all over the place granted poll to poll

Lundstram

Lundstram wrote: »

"reputable polling company"?

I've never nor anyone I know been approached to take part in a poll by these so called reputable polling companies.

Is there some sort of regulatory body in charge of these companies?

Nice to meet you, I've done 3 polls and I'm only 32.

Even the most inaccurate political polls were within a few percent of the actual result so cop yourselves on ffs.

The tide is turning bigly however. It's the trend that matters.

Lundstram

Lundstram wrote: »

Lisbon Treaty job. No, guys, wrong answer. Let's do it again 'til we get it right.

And abortion and divorce. Right?

Mr. Karate

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Which polling companies do you think are unreliable and why?

They're all unreliable because they all have the result they want in mind and the poll questions and samples served [aka the people they contact] are catered to that outcome.

xhomelezz

Mr. Karate wrote: »

They're all unreliable because they all have the result they want in mind and the poll questions and samples served [aka the people they contact] are catered to that outcome.

That's just so wrong:)

But you believe what you believe. Doesn't matter how far is it from reality.

Coillte_Bhoy

Mr. Karate wrote: »

They're all unreliable because they all have the result they want in mind and the poll questions and samples served [aka the people they contact] are catered to that outcome.

Wild generalisations again, you lot really do specialise in that. Im out

Scotty #

Who needs polls? There was a very highly publicised anti lockdown march in Dublin last weekend. Publicised on every news bulletin all week. How many turned up? Well, their own estimates said about 100 people joined the march. There was another this weekend and again much published, this time to coincide with similar marches throughout Europe. How many turned up?? Barely 70-100.

Not enough at either march to fill a double decker bus. There were more people at that student party in Limerick last week.

You can come up with all the excuses you like but if public opinion were actually seriously against lockdown then there would be tens of thousands at these marches.

I'm not saying people are 'pro-lockdown', I don't believe there is such a thing as pro lockdown, we all want this to end as soon as possible, but there's still a lot of faith in NPHET and the government.

xhomelezz

Scotty # wrote: »

Who needs polls? There was a very highly publicised anti lockdown march in Dublin last weekend. Publicised on every news bulletin all week. How many turned up? Well, their own estimates said about 100 people joined the march. There was another this weekend and again much published, this time to coincide with similar marches throughout Europe. How many turned up?? Barely 70-100.

Not enough at either march to fill a double decker bus. There were more people at that student party in Limerick last week.

You can come up with all the excuses you like but if public opinion were actually seriously against lockdown then there would be tens of thousands at these marches.

I'm not saying people are 'pro-lockdown', I don't believe there is such a thing as pro lockdown, we all want this to end as soon as possible, but there's still a lot of faith in NPHET and the government.

This pretty sums it up. Thanks

beauf

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

What name calling? I called into question your ability to go beyond a simplistic answer. No name calling whatsoever.

That's also name calling.

The answer didn't require anything complicated. Problems with supply and thus construction existed pre Covid. In fact...

"...CSO figures published ... show that the number of new dwellings completed last year 2020 was 20,676 - just 1.9% below the 21,087 completed in 2019...."

We've also had Airbnb create a load of supply and WFH and people leaving the country. Net immigration is down (-14.2%).

So lockdowns don't seem to have the apocalyptic predictions on supply or construction that people were hoping for. This also played out in the accommodation and property forums. With price rising.

Samsonsmasher

xhomelezz wrote: »

This pretty sums it up. Thanks

I am literally sitting at the base of the Phoenix Monument right now and the grass is full of people. If the Gardaí pulled up they could easily arrest hundreds and hundreds of people who are beyond 5km.
Nobody is socially distancing or wearing masks.
People are listening to music drinking picnicking kicking ball and having fun.
The lockdown is a joke.
It was a joke last year and it always was a joke.

Plumbthedepths

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

The lockdown is a joke.

The economic damage however is far from a joke.

xhomelezz

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

I am literally sitting at the base of the Phoenix Monument right now and the grass is full of people. If the Gardaí pulled up they could easily arrest hundreds and hundreds of people who are beyond 5km.
Nobody is socially distancing or wearing masks.
People are listening to music drinking picnicking kicking ball and having fun.
The lockdown is a joke.
It was a joke last year and it always was a joke.

And what does it have to do with my post?

St.Spodo

Scotty # wrote: »

Who needs polls? There was a very highly publicised anti lockdown march in Dublin last weekend. Publicised on every news bulletin all week. How many turned up? Well, their own estimates said about 100 people joined the march. There was another this weekend and again much published, this time to coincide with similar marches throughout Europe. How many turned up?? Barely 70-100.

Not enough at either march to fill a double decker bus. There were more people at that student party in Limerick last week.

You can come up with all the excuses you like but if public opinion were actually seriously against lockdown then there would be tens of thousands at these marches.

I'm not saying people are 'pro-lockdown', I don't believe there is such a thing as pro lockdown, we all want this to end as soon as possible, but there's still a lot of faith in NPHET and the government.

I think there is little faith among the public in the government's ability to handle covid, to be honest. That said, I believe most people are tuned in enough to know that the problem is not the lockdown in itself, but the fact that we have not had any alternative to lockdown because we have failed to put in place the public health measures needed to beat covid. We've been in level 5 for about 8 out of every 10 days since the government announced its strategy to live with covid and to aspire to allow a reasonable amount of social and economic activity before the vaccine took effect. This has proven to be totally beyond the capacity of the state, and it's quite obvious to everyone that we are now just hanging on until the vaccine starts putting downward pressure on deaths, hospitalizations and illness.

beauf

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

I ....
The lockdown is a joke.
It was a joke last year and it always was a joke.

If it's a joke and no one obeys it then there's no problems to complain about.

beauf

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The economic damage however is far from a joke.

Depends on the sector you're in. Some sectors are doing better than normal.

https://www.esri.ie/news/covid-19-having-a-significant-but-disparate-impact-on-the-irish-economy#:~:text=Our%20outlook%20for%202021%20is,grow%20by%206.3%20per%20cent.

ypres5

873k people vaccinated in the uk today and the government there are under pressure to allow foreign travel, whereas here the removal of the 5k limit is being treated as this big concession by nphet. The whole things a farce

xhomelezz

ypres5 wrote: »

873k people vaccinated in the uk today and the government there are under pressure to allow foreign travel, whereas here the removal of the 5k limit is being treated as this big concession by nphet. The whole things a farce

Don't think so, cuz one poster is saying everyone is around phoenix monument, not giving a shīt about anything. So nothing to complain about.

ypres5

xhomelezz wrote: »

Don't think so, cuz one poster is saying everyone is around phoenix monument, not giving a shīt about anything. So nothing to complain about.

Sorry what relevance is that to what I've said?

papu

ypres5 wrote: »

873k people vaccinated in the uk today and the government there are under pressure to allow foreign travel, whereas here the removal of the 5k limit is being treated as this big concession by nphet. The whole things a farce

Poland began 3 week lockdown yesterday, France began a 4 week lockdown Friday.

beauf

St.Spodo wrote: »

I think there is little faith among the public in the government's ability to handle covid, to be honest. That said, I believe most people are tuned in enough to know that the problem is not the lockdown in itself, but the fact that we have not had any alternative to lockdown because we have failed to put in place the public health measures needed to beat covid. ....

The only alternative to lockdown seems to ignore Covid and continue as normal. If people believed that and didn't believe the authorities then protests would be bigger and not just the fringe, and people would just be ignoring the lockdown.

The numbers just don't reflect that. Most people are fed up but are still waiting for the vaccine to take effect. We've waited a year. Another month or two don't make much difference.

Plumbthedepths

papu wrote: »

Poland began 3 week lockdown yesterday, France began a 4 week lockdown Friday.

Parts of France began a 4 week lockdown, let's be accurate