When will it all end?

ek motor

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You shouldn't worry guys there is quite rumblings of the deepening damage to the economy. Economic reality will open stuff up long before everyone is vaccinated. Although it will be interesting to see where the tax and cuts will manifest themselves when the bill starts to be repaid.

ECB will get the money printers rolling , every nation on earth is living on expanded debt until the inevitable collapse of our monetary system

SnuggyBear

How does a vaccine passport work for the over 50s work in Denmark with regards to hospitality. I presume the unavccinated hospitality workers would be allowed work?

How long will this system stay in place? We are closer to living in 1984 every day and I hate it.

Deeper Blue

SnuggyBear wrote: »

How long will this system stay in place?

For a long time I'd imagine, and rightly so. The anti-vaxxers deserve to be left out in the cold while the rest of us get on with life.

Timberrrrrrrr

SnuggyBear wrote: »

How does a vaccine passport work for the over 50s work in Denmark with regards to hospitality. I presume the unavccinated hospitality workers would be allowed work?

How long will this system stay in place? We are closer to living in 1984 every day and I hate it.

If you really believe this then you either haven't read 1984 or you did read it and didn't understand it.

LameBeaver

SnuggyBear wrote: »

How does a vaccine passport work for the over 50s work in Denmark with regards to hospitality. I presume the unavccinated hospitality workers would be allowed work?

How long will this system stay in place? We are closer to living in 1984 every day and I hate it.

Vaccines passports will very soon be everywhere and will be permanent. It`s the new normal chief. Deal with it.

Retr0gamer

As I said, not just covid patients. If the hospitals are at capacity due to covid patients then it gets messy. Covid deaths increase and critical patients are prioritised, mistakes are made. Conditions aren't ideal. Non covid patient treatment then suffers. Hospitals were almost pushed to capacity at xmas. There's knock on effects you have to take into account when it comes to these things. You can't just think of it in terms of Covid.

And to be honest I don't feel like catching Covid and suffering some of the long term effects that are being reported.

SnuggyBear

LameBeaver wrote: »

Vaccines passports will very soon be everywhere and will be permanent. It`s the new normal chief. Deal with it.

I'm sure certain people will love it but I hate it.

Retr0gamer

SnuggyBear wrote: »

How does a vaccine passport work for the over 50s work in Denmark with regards to hospitality. I presume the unavccinated hospitality workers would be allowed work?

How long will this system stay in place? We are closer to living in 1984 every day and I hate it.

People need to learn the difference between inconvenience and oppression.

I very much doubt a vaccine passport will be introduced. It will make things a whole lot easier but will be challenged in court and there's no hope in hell it will stand up in court as it will violate a lot of personal rights laws.

papu

The Big Easy wrote: »

And who exactly is going to fill up all these body bags?!

There's a complete willful dishonesty as regards to who is actually dying in this country from Covid.

The vast majority of deaths is form people in their 80s, which whatever way you want to dress it is end-stage life. These people have to die from something in roughly this timeframe. Life expectancy in Ireland is roughly 82. The majority of deaths in the first wave were nursing home deaths - why do people go to nursing homes?

When are people going to realise that people die, it cannot be stopped.

We'll see in 10-15 years the true impact in terms of excess deaths and whether our response has been in any way proportionate or appropriate.

Very flippant attitude, you are willing to sacrifice your elders and vulnerable putting them through a horrible drawn out battle for their last breaths? No-one is in denial that people die, but you would have different priorities if you or a loved one had an underlying illness which would make catching covid a significant risk to them. Perhaps you can understand that if the health system is overwhelmed and collapses, people who need treatment for other things are also going to suffer, whatever their age.

LameBeaver

SnuggyBear wrote: »

I'm sure certain people will love it but I hate it.

Why exactly is that? Explain yourself.

SnuggyBear

LameBeaver wrote: »

Why exactly is that? Explain yourself.

I don't know why they love it, maybe you can explain?

ingo1984

Retr0gamer wrote: »

As I said, not just covid patients. If the hospitals are at capacity due to covid patients then it gets messy. Covid deaths increase and critical patients are prioritised, mistakes are made. Conditions aren't ideal. Non covid patient treatment then suffers. Hospitals were almost pushed to capacity at xmas. There's knock on effects you have to take into account when it comes to these things. You can't just think of it in terms of Covid.

And to be honest I don't feel like catching Covid and suffering some of the long term effects that are being reported.

In the past year the hospitals were at their lowest capacity than in any of the five preceeding years.

LameBeaver

Retr0gamer wrote: »

People need to learn the difference between inconvenience and oppression.

I very much doubt a vaccine passport will be introduced. It will make things a whole lot easier but will be challenged in court and there's no hope in hell it will stand up in court as it will violate a lot of personal rights laws.

Is that a fact? I seem to recall John Waters and that loon Gemma O`Doherty went to the High Court with similar claims. That turned out well for them didn`t it?

bucketybuck

Retr0gamer wrote: »

If we come out of lockdown or ease lockdown with the current numbers it will be a less than 2 months before the hospitals are overwhelmed and the bodybags are building up outside the morgue.

March 2020 called, says you stole its line.

Retr0gamer

ingo1984 wrote: »

In the past year the hospitals were at their lowest capacity than in any of the five preceeding years.

Did you read this on social media or have you official reports to verify this?

Or maybe it's culminative affect over the year. We had the hospitals at dangerously high capacities but during lockdown it was low.... which proves lockdowns work.

LameBeaver

SnuggyBear wrote: »

I don't know why they love it, maybe you can explain?

I`m asking why do you hate it?

Plumbthedepths

LameBeaver wrote: »

Is that a fact? I seem to recall John Waters and that loon Gemma O`Doherty went to the High Court with similar claims. That turned out well for them didn`t it?

Gemma and John challenged a vaccine passport? When did this happen?
You seem a tad passive aggressive, everything ok?

SnuggyBear

LameBeaver wrote: »

I`m asking why do you hate it?

Figure it out yourself

Retr0gamer

LameBeaver wrote: »

Is that a fact? I seem to recall John Waters and that loon Gemma O`Doherty went to the High Court with similar claims. That turned out well for them didn`t it?

It's not fact until tested in court. John and Gemma went to the court over absolute nonsense and were always going to fail. Gob****es. I can see a case being made though that vaccine passports prejudice against the vaccinated and unvaccinated or something like that and there's a chance that might hold up.

bucketybuck wrote: »

March 2020 called, says you stole its line.

What's this March 2020 nonsense? When the pandemic started and numbers were low? How is that comparable to now when we are deep in it with numbers way above what we had then?

Scotty #

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I very much doubt a vaccine passport will be introduced. It will make things a whole lot easier but will be challenged in court and there's no hope in hell it will stand up in court as it will violate a lot of personal rights laws.

There are already several tropical countries that to go to or come from you need vaccines. Vaccine passports are nothing new.

Micky 32

SnuggyBear wrote: »

I'm sure certain people will love it but I hate it.

Sure look if it gets us moving again in the short term it might be worth it, people might get to see families abroad again sooner than later.

SnuggyBear

Scotty # wrote: »

There are already several tropical countries that to go to or come from you need vaccines. Vaccine passports are nothing new.

Going to a different country is completely different to going to a local restaurant

Mr. Karate

Deeper Blue wrote: »

For a long time I'd imagine, and rightly so. The anti-vaxxers deserve to be left out in the cold while the rest of us get on with life.

They've completely undermined the process so blame the Govt and media for that. Before we started vaccinating they were on about variations [they're even making up ones] and how the vaccines wont work against them so we'll still have to wear face masks, social distance and occasionally have lockdowns and other restrictions.

Why wouldn't a rational person ask themselves "Why bother getting it?" They're making it seem worthless before they can administer it to enough people.

LameBeaver

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Gemma and John challenged a vaccine passport? When did this happen?

I never said they did chief. I stated similar claims regarding Covid measures which were laughed out of court. A challenge by anyone to vaccine passports after they are introduced will go the same way.

Retr0gamer

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Going to a different country is completely different to going to a local restaurant

They are right though, and it's something I didn't take into account. It sets a legal precedence.

LameBeaver

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Figure it out yourself

So no explanation then. Right so chief.

Allinall

Mr. Karate wrote: »

They've completely undermined the process so blame the Govt and media for that. Before we started vaccinating they were on about variations B]they're even making up ones[/B and how the vaccines wont work against them so we'll still have to wear face masks, social distance and occasionally have lockdowns and other restrictions.

Why wouldn't a rational person ask themselves "Why bother getting it?" They're making it seem worthless before they can administer it to enough people.

Any evidence for this claim?

Scotty #

Scotty # wrote: »

There are already several tropical countries that to go to or come from you need vaccines. Vaccine passports are nothing new.

There are some countries that require travelers to be vaccinated against Yellow Fever, a disease (at least) seven times more deadly than Covid-19, usually only if they are returning from a location where the disease is prevalent. In people under forty, it's a hundred (at least) times more deadly. Vaccine certification for other diseases is extremely rare.

And that's to enter the country, not Starbucks.

Retr0gamer

Retr0gamer wrote: »

They are right though, and it's something I didn't take into account. It sets a legal precedence.

It doesn't. The law in other countries has no effect on Irish law.

LameBeaver

LameBeaver wrote: »

I`m asking why do you hate it?

I can't answer for that poster, but I am very much opposed to setting a precedent that the state effectively creates "tiers" where the most compliant can most fully participate in public life while others are excluded. Something very China about it.

Chief.