When will it all end?

lee_baby_simms

Retr0gamer wrote: »

They are right though, and it's something I didn't take into account. It sets a legal precedence.

The UK are now looking to bring into law mandatory vaccination of all care home staff. If you refuse the jab you’re essentially fired. Once that is passed then all bets are off.

lee_baby_simms

mfaislife wrote: »

If the vaccines only get rid of symptoms of covid I don't see why they would make it mandatory, it's not sterilising. The way Faucci explained it a few days ago with a Mexican reporter is it turns a high risk person into a low risk person and a low risk person into basically no risk, it's designed to stop covid symptoms no more.

I agree. It seems totally unnecessary especially given that virtually all care home residents are vaccinated and 70% of all care home staff are currently vaccinated.

It came from a “leaked paper”. I assume its a test of the waters...for what is the question.

The Big Easy

papu wrote: »

Very flippant attitude, you are willing to sacrifice your elders and vulnerable putting them through a horrible drawn out battle for their last breaths? No-one is in denial that people die, but you would have different priorities if you or a loved one had an underlying illness which would make catching covid a significant risk to them. Perhaps you can understand that if the health system is overwhelmed and collapses, people who need treatment for other things are also going to suffer, whatever their age.

I was responding to talk of body bags piling up outside of morgues which is just trite attempts at scare mongering. I have a realistic and well-adjusted attitude to death having lost loved ones - both timely and untimely in the past.

I have an underlying illness that apparently puts me personally at greater risk, but I don't expect the whole of society to ground to a halt around me because I may or may not have complications.

The HSE has been overwhelmed since the day it was instituted an no amount of overpaid managers have helped to decrease waiting lists and trolley numbers. Nphet is largely made up of these 'managers' and their recommendation is to lockdown until they can get a handle on something they've never been able to get a handle on.

But well done, you've successfully signaled how virtuous you are on an anonymous internet forum board.

GazzaL

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cancer-services-will-not-fully-resume-until-year-end-under-hse-s-pandemic-plan-1.4517265?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fcancer-services-will-not-fully-resume-until-year-end-under-hse-s-pandemic-plan-1.4517265

Cancer resulted in over 3 times as many deaths as COVID last year. It was probably even more than that given that the COVID death statistics are those who died with rather than from COVID.

Cancer healthcare services won't fully resume until the end of 2021.

Cancer is just one of a multitude of illnesses that are not being properly treated.

There is blood on NPHET's hands.

patnor1011

This will not end soon and it also do not end well.
The fun is only starting. Pfizer demand worldwide indemnity before they supply vaccines. And Astra Zeneca already do have serious issues with their own one.
Researchers in Germany and Denmark actually identified how that vaccine triggers abnormal response in some people resulting in complications which in some cases turned out to be fatal. Hard to decide between possible complications from covid or from vaccine.
And since we are advised to keep social distancing, masks and lockdown ad infinitum even while vaccinated (because we still do not know what may happen cue in mutations) then simply skipping one possible complication like adverse reaction from vaccine looks quite intriguing.

Before some boards self-taught pandemic experts who see vaccine as something magical jump on me, or to skip "Source?" people who cant find anything themselves there is quite a bit of development with regard to AZ vaccine.
https://gth-online.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/GTH_Stellungnahme_AstraZeneca_3_19032021-3.pdf
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/mecklenburg-vorpommern/AstraZeneca-Greifswalder-Forscher-finden-Thrombose-Ursache,coronavirus4660.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/20/world/europe/denmark-astrazeneca-side-effects.html
https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/QmwR1V/professor-om-mistenkte-vaksinebivirkninger-aarsaken-er-funnet

Plumbthedepths

patnor1011 wrote: »

Before some boards self-taught pandemic experts who see vaccine as something magical jump on me, or to skip "Source?" people who cant find anything themselves there is quite a bit of development with regard to AZ vaccine.

I love ironic posts.

Aph2016

papu wrote: »

Very flippant attitude, you are willing to sacrifice your elders and vulnerable putting them through a horrible drawn out battle for their last breaths? No-one is in denial that people die, but you would have different priorities if you or a loved one had an underlying illness which would make catching covid a significant risk to them. Perhaps you can understand that if the health system is overwhelmed and collapses, people who need treatment for other things are also going to suffer, whatever their age.

I'm sick to death of seeing this argument, the 'pull on people's heart strings' argument. We all have loved ones or know someone who is at a greater risk if they were to contract the virus, but the cost of what the country has gone through in the last year far outweighs your argument. Go and ask some elderly people if they want the country to lockdown to potentially save them, or if they would prefer to live their lives to the fullest for as long as they can, maybe your eyes will be opened.

Timberrrrrrrr

patnor1011 wrote: »

This will not end soon and it also do not end well.
The fun is only starting. Pfizer demand worldwide indemnity before they supply vaccines. And Astra Zeneca already do have serious issues with their own one.
Researchers in Germany and Denmark actually identified how that vaccine triggers abnormal response in some people resulting in complications which in some cases turned out to be fatal. Hard to decide between possible complications from covid or from vaccine.
And since we are advised to keep social distancing, masks and lockdown ad infinitum even while vaccinated (because we still do not know what may happen cue in mutations) then simply skipping one possible complication like adverse reaction from vaccine looks quite intriguing.

Before some boards self-taught pandemic experts who see vaccine as something magical jump on me, or to skip "Source?" people who cant find anything themselves there is quite a bit of development with regard to AZ vaccine.
https://gth-online.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/GTH_Stellungnahme_AstraZeneca_3_19032021-3.pdf
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/mecklenburg-vorpommern/AstraZeneca-Greifswalder-Forscher-finden-Thrombose-Ursache,coronavirus4660.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/20/world/europe/denmark-astrazeneca-side-effects.html
https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/QmwR1V/professor-om-mistenkte-vaksinebivirkninger-aarsaken-er-funnet

3 links are in Dutch, the other links to a Paywall. So here's the "proof" sorry you can't read it :pac:

patnor1011

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

3 links are in Dutch, the other links to a PayPal. So here's the "proof" sorry you can't read it :pac:

Try harder. Any foreign language website is only 2 clicks away to get it translated to english.
You need to work on your "factchecker" badge of honor. It is not easy I know, it require some effort.

So you dismissed NY times, german NDR TV and radio, german university and dutch news site because you know better. lol

Timberrrrrrrr

patnor1011 wrote: »

Try harder. Any foreign language website is only 2 clicks away to get it translated to english.
You need to work on your "factchecker" badge of honor. It is not easy I know, it require some effort.

In work and on my phone, you say the evidence is there so copy/paste the relevant parts into the thread.

patnor1011

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

In work and on my phone, you say the evidence is there so copy/paste the relevant parts into the thread.

Sense of entitlement is strong in this one. As I said try harder, get laptop or different browser or we can discuss form of payment if you want me to do any work for you.

Retr0gamer

patnor1011 wrote: »

This will not end soon and it also do not end well.
The fun is only starting. Pfizer demand worldwide indemnity before they supply vaccines. And Astra Zeneca already do have serious issues with their own one.
Researchers in Germany and Denmark actually identified how that vaccine triggers abnormal response in some people resulting in complications which in some cases turned out to be fatal. Hard to decide between possible complications from covid or from vaccine.
And since we are advised to keep social distancing, masks and lockdown ad infinitum even while vaccinated (because we still do not know what may happen cue in mutations) then simply skipping one possible complication like adverse reaction from vaccine looks quite intriguing.

Before some boards self-taught pandemic experts who see vaccine as something magical jump on me, or to skip "Source?" people who cant find anything themselves there is quite a bit of development with regard to AZ vaccine.
https://gth-online.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/GTH_Stellungnahme_AstraZeneca_3_19032021-3.pdf
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/mecklenburg-vorpommern/AstraZeneca-Greifswalder-Forscher-finden-Thrombose-Ursache,coronavirus4660.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/20/world/europe/denmark-astrazeneca-side-effects.html
https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/QmwR1V/professor-om-mistenkte-vaksinebivirkninger-aarsaken-er-funnet

2 deaths out of millions. These things are always investigated by pharma no matter how statistically unlikely for due diligence but 2 out of millions is statistically insignificant.

Retr0gamer

GazzaL wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cancer-services-will-not-fully-resume-until-year-end-under-hse-s-pandemic-plan-1.4517265?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fcancer-services-will-not-fully-resume-until-year-end-under-hse-s-pandemic-plan-1.4517265

Cancer resulted in over 3 times as many deaths as COVID last year. It was probably even more than that given that the COVID death statistics are those who died with rather than from COVID.

Cancer healthcare services won't fully resume until the end of 2021.

Cancer is just one of a multitude of illnesses that are not being properly treated.

There is blood on NPHET's hands.

Nonsense.

Covid deaths would have been orders of magnitude higher without lockdowns.

Timberrrrrrrr

patnor1011 wrote: »

Sense of entitlement is strong in this one. As I said try harder, get laptop or different browser or we can discuss form of payment if you want me to do any work for you.

Nah I'll just take it that your links are not what you claim they are, it's a good move though, make a claim and then post results in a foreign language. It's a new tactic I'll give you that one

suicide_circus

The Big Easy wrote: »

The HSE has been overwhelmed since the day it was instituted an no amount of overpaid managers have helped to decrease waiting lists and trolley numbers. Nphet is largely made up of these 'managers' and their recommendation is to lockdown until they can get a handle on something they've never been able to get a handle on.

Thank you. Been saying this for months.

Micky 32

patnor1011 wrote: »

This will not end soon and it also do not end well.
The fun is only starting. Pfizer demand worldwide indemnity before they supply vaccines. And Astra Zeneca already do have serious issues with their own one.
Researchers in Germany and Denmark actually identified how that vaccine triggers abnormal response in some people resulting in complications which in some cases turned out to be fatal. Hard to decide between possible complications from covid or from vaccine.
And since we are advised to keep social distancing, masks and lockdown ad infinitum even while vaccinated (because we still do not know what may happen cue in mutations) then simply skipping one possible complication like adverse reaction from vaccine looks quite intriguing.

Before some boards self-taught pandemic experts who see vaccine as something magical jump on me, or to skip "Source?" people who cant find anything themselves there is quite a bit of development with regard to AZ vaccine.
https://gth-online.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/GTH_Stellungnahme_AstraZeneca_3_19032021-3.pdf
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/mecklenburg-vorpommern/AstraZeneca-Greifswalder-Forscher-finden-Thrombose-Ursache,coronavirus4660.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/20/world/europe/denmark-astrazeneca-side-effects.html
https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/QmwR1V/professor-om-mistenkte-vaksinebivirkninger-aarsaken-er-funnet

Is the excellent news of the vaccines effectiveness getting to you? Having problems accepting the end of this sh*tshow is coming? Or is it you’re just anti-vax?

Retr0gamer

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Nonsense.

Covid deaths would have been orders of magnitude higher without lockdowns.

Orders? So at least 2? So half a million dead in Ireland?

S_D

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You shouldn't worry guys there is quite rumblings of the deepening damage to the economy. Economic reality will open stuff up long before everyone is vaccinated. Although it will be interesting to see where the tax and cuts will manifest themselves when the bill starts to be repaid.

Interesting

GazzaL

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Nonsense.

Covid deaths would have been orders of magnitude higher without lockdowns.

What I posted is 100% fact. You have a myopic view on things. There is more to life (and death) than COVID.

patnor1011

Retr0gamer wrote: »

2 deaths out of millions. These things are always investigated by pharma no matter how statistically unlikely for due diligence but 2 out of millions is statistically insignificant.

Not if you are one of them. And while it is bit more than 2 with that number poised to grow you omitted or dismissed many more who survived but will have long term complications and damage.
So you are willing to sacrifice them yet we still hear how we should never allow a single life to be taken (by covid currently).
I said it is only starting. Since no long term or mass studies were done we have no idea what lay ahead. The only thing we rely on right now is strong faith.

patnor1011

Micky 32 wrote: »

Is the excellent news of the vaccines effectiveness getting to you? Having problems accepting the end of this sh*tshow is coming? Or is it you’re just anti-vax?

I am quite sure that I already got way more vaccines than you ever will since I come from country with mandatory and quite robust vaccination program.
Without knowing your own personal situation I can say that I may be well ahead of you in current vaccine waiting list (various waiting lists spanning years in some cases are Ireland's well known health love affair) so you can have mine if you so desire to experience that excellence.
With no shortage of volunteers who cant wait to get their own one and our expertise in mismanagement of everything health I am quite content with waiting and seeing long term impact and mass vaccination trial in real time.

patnor1011

patnor1011 wrote: »

This will not end soon and it also do not end well.
The fun is only starting. Pfizer demand worldwide indemnity before they supply vaccines. And Astra Zeneca already do have serious issues with their own one.
Researchers in Germany and Denmark actually identified how that vaccine triggers abnormal response in some people resulting in complications which in some cases turned out to be fatal. Hard to decide between possible complications from covid or from vaccine.
And since we are advised to keep social distancing, masks and lockdown ad infinitum even while vaccinated (because we still do not know what may happen cue in mutations) then simply skipping one possible complication like adverse reaction from vaccine looks quite intriguing.

Before some boards self-taught pandemic experts who see vaccine as something magical jump on me, or to skip "Source?" people who cant find anything themselves there is quite a bit of development with regard to AZ vaccine.
https://gth-online.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/GTH_Stellungnahme_AstraZeneca_3_19032021-3.pdf
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/mecklenburg-vorpommern/AstraZeneca-Greifswalder-Forscher-finden-Thrombose-Ursache,coronavirus4660.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/20/world/europe/denmark-astrazeneca-side-effects.html
https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/QmwR1V/professor-om-mistenkte-vaksinebivirkninger-aarsaken-er-funnet

Jaysus. I got my first dose of AZ this morning and I'm absolutely floored. Think I will go back to my usual mantra of "it'll be grand".

patnor1011

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Nah I'll just take it that your links are not what you claim they are, it's a good move though, make a claim and then post results in a foreign language. It's a new tactic I'll give you that one

Some people talk when they have something to say. Other people talk because they have to say something. I will leave it like that since you cant comprehend that right click on chrome browser will offer you option of translating foreign language and open whole new world to you.
But this new tactic of "if it is not in english it is a lie" is a good one, I'll give you that one

Timberrrrrrrr

patnor1011 wrote: »

Some people talk when they have something to say. Other people talk because they have to say something. I will leave it like that since you cant comprehend that right click on chrome browser will offer you option of translating foreign language and open whole new world to you.
But this new tactic of "if it is not in english it is a lie" is a good one, I'll give you that one

Nope

As I explained I am in work and on my phone, it's good manners (and a boards rule?) That any foreign language should be translated. I get it, you think your "smart" reply is some sort of gotcha moment but all you're doing by refusing to supply a translation for YOUR "evidence" is showing that you are posting in bad faith.

Have at it kiddo, if your "evidence" was so compelling and full of truth that you feel everyone should be privy to it then you would have happily supplied a translation when asked.

PTH2009

This will end when the Vaccines arrive

Oh Wait

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

This will end when the Vaccines arrive

Oh Wait

Do we need to take the vaccine or does their geographical coordinates provide a forcefield?

Rodin

Will be another 3 months before any meaningful change in restrictions.

Beasty

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No conspiracy theory posts in this forum. We have a dedicated one for that sort of stuff

PTH2009

this doesn't sound too good

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1374494959856881684?s=20

MadYaker

patnor1011 wrote: »

This will not end soon and it also do not end well.
The fun is only starting. Pfizer demand worldwide indemnity before they supply vaccines. And Astra Zeneca already do have serious issues with their own one.
Researchers in Germany and Denmark actually identified how that vaccine triggers abnormal response in some people resulting in complications which in some cases turned out to be fatal. Hard to decide between possible complications from covid or from vaccine.
And since we are advised to keep social distancing, masks and lockdown ad infinitum even while vaccinated (because we still do not know what may happen cue in mutations) then simply skipping one possible complication like adverse reaction from vaccine looks quite intriguing.

Before some boards self-taught pandemic experts who see vaccine as something magical jump on me, or to skip "Source?" people who cant find anything themselves there is quite a bit of development with regard to AZ vaccine.
https://gth-online.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/GTH_Stellungnahme_AstraZeneca_3_19032021-3.pdf
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/mecklenburg-vorpommern/AstraZeneca-Greifswalder-Forscher-finden-Thrombose-Ursache,coronavirus4660.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/20/world/europe/denmark-astrazeneca-side-effects.html
https://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/i/QmwR1V/professor-om-mistenkte-vaksinebivirkninger-aarsaken-er-funnet

This post is hilarious on many levels. Good to see this forum is still the bottom of the barrel.