When will it all end?

Scotty #

Deleted User wrote: »

Case numbers are rising (schools are re-opened so it's shocking) while hospitalisations and ICU numbers aren't. So the headline case numbers matter much less now and will barely matter once we have 60+ all vaccinated.

Case numbers are rising, yes, this tells us that hospitalisations will rise (depending on how much case numbers rise) in about 7-10 days. Why? Because there is an obvious and direct correlation between case numbers and hospitalisations. Thus there is an obvious and direct correlation between hospitalisations and ICU admittance.

They don't rise at the same time, there is a delay. People don't end up in ICU the same day they contract the disease.

Case numbers are relevant and important. They are our early warning system and our ONLY guide as to what's ahead.

JimmyVik

Scotty # wrote: »

Case numbers are rising, yes, this tells us that hospitalisations will rise (depending on how much case numbers rise) in about 7-10 days. Why? Because there is an obvious and direct correlation between case numbers and hospitalisations. Thus there is an obvious and direct correlation between hospitalisations and ICU admittance.

They don't rise at the same time, there is a delay. People don't end up in ICU the same day they contract the disease.

Case numbers are relevant and important. They are our early warning system and out ONLY guide as to what's ahead.

Did they release up to date numbers on cases in nursing homes and among hospital staff? Both of which should be nearly fully vaccinated by now.
Or numbers in those groups who are ending up in hospital or dead?
That would be something id be interested in reading.

Scotty #

Scotty # wrote: »

Case numbers are rising, yes, this tells us that hospitalisations will rise (depending on how much case numbers rise) in about 7-10 days. Why? Because there is an obvious and direct correlation between case numbers and hospitalisations. Thus there is an obvious and direct correlation between hospitalisations and ICU admittance.

They don't rise at the same time, there is a delay. People don't end up in ICU the same day they contract the disease.

Case numbers are relevant and important. They are our early warning system and our ONLY guide as to what's ahead.

The population responsible for 90% of the deaths and a good proportion of the ICU numbers have had at least one shot of vaccine now. The correlation between cases and ICU numbers should be much weaker now and continue to weaken as more people are vaccinated.

Also with setting up testing of asymptomatic people in high case areas, they are going to pick up a huge amount of post infectious people to add to their "case" numbers which will artifically inflate case numbers and make them useless as a comparison with previous weeks and months.

JimmyVik

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The population responsible for 90% of the deaths and a good proportion of the ICU numbers have had at least one shot of vaccine now. The correlation between cases and ICU numbers should be much weaker now and continue to weaken as more people are vaccinated.

They need to publish figures on this. So they can be peer reviewed.

Or will they just give broad meaningless numbers like they have been doing so as to keep the foot on our heads.

JimmyVik

JimmyVik wrote: »

They need to publish figures on this. So they can be peer reviewed.

Or will they just give broad meaningless numbers like they have been doing so as to keep the foot on our heads.

Israel have already shown this back in February:

JimmyVik

Deleted User wrote: »

Israel have already shown this back in February:

Time for some transparent numbers from our shower.
Any similar chart for deaths? That surely would be striking.

Found this.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hmo-sees-only-544-covid-infections-among-523000-fully-vaccinated-israelis/

Mr. Karate

Scotty # wrote: »

I don't think he realises yet that it was a bloody variant that got us into this whole mess to begin with!!

No. It was acting like a virus with a 99.96% survival rate [and an over 95% for the vulnerables] was the Black Plague, making us treat each other like Lepers and tripling down on their nonsense when it was discovered this virus isn't nearly as deadly as its been hyped up to be got us into this mess. Their refusal to admit they were wrong is keeping us in this mess and making things worse by the day.

Scotty #

Mr. Karate wrote: »

No. It was acting like a virus with a 99.96% survival rate [and an over 95% for the vulnerables] was the Black Plague, making us treat each other like Lepers and tripling down on their nonsense when it was discovered this virus isn't nearly as deadly as its been hyped up to be got us into this mess. Their refusal to admit they were wrong is keeping us in this mess and making things worse by the day.

Dead people aren't the problem. They don't occupy ICU beds.

Mr. Karate

Mr. Karate wrote: »

No. It was acting like a virus with a 99.96% survival rate [and an over 95% for the vulnerables] was the Black Plague, making us treat each other like Lepers and tripling down on their nonsense when it was discovered this virus isn't nearly as deadly as its been hyped up to be got us into this mess. Their refusal to admit they were wrong is keeping us in this mess and making things worse by the day.

When you throw that lie in it really undermines your whole point. On the plus side the thanks it gets make it easy to know who to ignore.

mcsean2163

marksetgo wrote: »

Was the shoebox man made ?

I've said too much.

Mr. Karate

Deleted User wrote: »

When you throw that lie in it really undermines your whole point. On the plus side the thanks it gets make it easy to know who to ignore.

LOL. that's survival rate has been established since last year. Sorry Comrade it impedes your goal of eternal Communism.. I mean Lockdown for our health.

wotzgoingon

My cousin got his first injection today.

mcsean2163

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When you throw that lie in it really undermines your whole point. On the plus side the thanks it gets make it easy to know who to ignore.

The WHO collated studies report based on serology tests arrived at a figure of 0.27% or 99.73% survival rate. Nearly seven times higher. It may be lower as not everyone develops antibodies but still considerably higher.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/99/1/20-265892/en/

Mr. Karate

Mr. Karate wrote: »

LOL. that's survival rate has been established since last year. Sorry Comrade it impedes your goal of eternal Communism.. I mean Lockdown for our health.

99.96% would mean 4 in 10,000 die. How many cases do you believe there's been in Ireland? Because the whole population being infected would mean just 2000 deaths if every single person was infected. According to your numbers.

Mr. Karate

mcsean2163 wrote: »

The WHO collated studies report based on serology tests arrived at a figure of 0.27% or 99.73% survival rate. Nearly seven times higher. It may be lower as not everyone develops antibodies but still considerably higher.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/99/1/20-265892/en/

He won't justify his post. Just continue calling us liars without backing up his posts. Best to ignore him from now on.

namloc1980

Mr. Karate wrote: »

He won't justify his post. Just continue calling us liars without backing up his posts. Best to ignore him from now on.

Your 99.96% survival "stat" makes no sense as that works out at 2,000 dead if every man, woman and child in the country got Covid. Confirmed deaths in Ireland are over 4,600 and clearly not every single person has contracted Covid.

Bit cynical

Why is the poll restricted even to those who have voted in it?

PTH2009

Christ its around in circles were going

NPHET pulling all the strings, government to scared to stick up to them and supposably the hospitals in danger of overcrowding

Don't know how much more i can take of this

gary550

namloc1980 wrote: »

Your 99.96% survival "stat" makes no sense as that works out at 2,000 dead if every man, woman and child in the country got Covid. Confirmed deaths in Ireland are over 4,600 and clearly not every single person has contracted Covid.

Your viewpoint is quite obtuse and makes no much sense

A lot of people who died with covid were very advanced in age, had serious underlying conditions and probably had an impending mortality with or without covid. Until there is a very comprehensive report conducted into the circumstances of the deaths you can't conclude anything of any use from what we know now.

GazzaL

Why do we believe we can control this virus when we're unable to control other viruses? Even with vaccines, we're still going to live with COVID-19 just like we live with rhinovirus, influenza (and all its' super variants!), and all manner of other viruses.

We're now seeing diminishing returns from the never-ending lockdown because people have had enough of not being able to see their families and friends, they've had enough of being told by people on six figure salaries that they can't earn an honest living, they've had enough of the misleading numbers and blatant lies, they've had enough of the gross incompetence and arrogance of NPHET who have repeatedly ****ed up over the last year.

Hooked

GazzaL wrote: »

Why do we believe we can control this virus when we're unable to control other viruses? Even with vaccines, we're still going to live with COVID-19 just like we live with rhinovirus, influenza (and all its' super variants!), and all manner of other viruses.

We're now seeing diminishing returns from the never-ending lockdown because people have had enough of not being able to see their families and friends, they've had enough of being told by people on six figure salaries that they can't earn an honest living, they've had enough of the misleading numbers and blatant lies, they've had enough of the gross incompetence and arrogance of NPHET who have repeatedly ****ed up over the last year.

Very well said...

To quote the great commander Spock...

The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

appledrop

PTH2009 wrote: »

Christ its around in circles were going

NPHET pulling all the strings, government to scared to stick up to them and supposably the hospitals in danger of overcrowding

Don't know how much more i can take of this

Yep and there they are yet again on 9 o clock news blaming it all on Mother's Day, St. Patrick's Day and playmates.

Funny how the numbers have increased when schools are back but not one word about them except...schools are safe.

FFS.

namloc1980

gary550 wrote: »

Your viewpoint is quite obtuse and makes no much sense

A lot of people who died with covid were very advanced in age, had serious underlying conditions and probably had an impending mortality with or without covid. Until there is a very comprehensive report conducted into the circumstances of the deaths you can't conclude anything of any use from what we know now.

Yeah but the 99.96% survival "stat" being bandied about is rock solid I suppose. :pac: Good man.

gary550

namloc1980 wrote: »

Yeah but the 99.96% survival "stat" being bandied about is rock solid I suppose. :pac: Good man.

Where did I even mention that? I engaged your point to explain my opinion that taking some data and dividing it into a population to make a point is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard

buried

namloc1980 wrote: »

Yeah but the 99.96% survival "stat" being bandied about is rock solid I suppose. :pac: Good man.

Just like the videos from exactly this time last year, bandied about en masse throughout social media of Chinese people supposedly falling flat dead on the street from this thing, that frightened the absolute p!ss out of people, were 'rock solid' too

Lundstram

Lockdown to protect our health service from becoming overwhelmed they said.

Currently 75, yes 75 people out of a country of 5,000,000 in ICU and over 300 hospitalised yet we are almost 90 days on full lockdown. Utter insanity.

Those low numbers are not being discussed at all by NPHET, politicians or on mainstream media. All about case numbers which are mostly under 45s which should be good news but somehow spun as a negative.

Utterly bemused by all this and no end in sight of this fcuking shambles.

I think we will get to Easter and a lot of people who were “holding firm” will give up the ghost and say to hell with it. We’ve seen it already. Unless MM gives the performance of his LIFE on Tuesday offering a roadmap and a little bit of hope we’re ultimately screwed. Cases will probably explode but it’s fine, the ICU numbers are down at least and they’ll hopefully stay down having most of the vulnerable vaccinated.

gozunda

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I think it's time a Petition was started to force NPHET and the Media to only report daily deaths that occured within a 5 day period of their briefings.
We have the nursing home residents vaccinated along with the people above the average death age.
We're still clocking up days with 20+ deaths which gives a completely inaccurate impression of the current situation.
If the Vaccines are doing the same as they did in other countries our daily deaths are close to Zero now, new hospitalisations and ICU admissions aren't anything of note.

I'm not seeing why this can't end very shortly if we're looking at and presenting real time data. We'll need to force their hand though.

How so?

Scotty #

Lundstram wrote: »

Currently 75, yes 75 people out of a country of 5,000,000 in ICU and over 300 hospitalised yet we are almost 90 days on full lockdown.

You use Head & Shoulders?? But you don't have dandruff!

rovers_runner

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think we will get to Easter and a lot of people who were “holding firm” will give up the ghost and say to hell with it. We’ve seen it already. Unless MM gives the performance of his LIFE on Tuesday offering a roadmap and a little bit of hope we’re ultimately screwed. Cases will probably explode but it’s fine, the ICU numbers are down at least and they’ll hopefully stay down having most of the vulnerable vaccinated.

Vast majority will have at least a four day weekend for Easter.
They are probably doing a rain dance in dept of health now.