When will it all end?

leahyl

stefanovich wrote: »

It's really becoming a joke now. I was pro lockdown initially but it's getting ridiculous now. Our restrictions are so severe because our health system is so weak. We are all going to pay for the economic damage too.

Remember next time the government "gives" you something, it's not their money to begin with.

That's the bottom line really.

Hector Savage

Graham wrote: »

I hope you're right, perhaps we've developed some sort of collective immunity to b117 in the last few weeks.

We'll find out over the coming weeks.

I'm not particularly optimistic tbh.

So Graham how should they handle this ?

Since "variants" will always be about - even vaccine resistant ones, so we could be back to square 1 even when population is vaccinated.

How about a learn to live with strategy like they are doing around europe ?

Hooked

the kelt wrote: »

The problem is once people have a simple view of cases numbers being their bible and getting their daily fix from the overlords the idea of case numbers playing a significantly lesser role in how we assess this virus is hard to take.

You’re right though, the idea of a spike following the opening of new test centres where we actively went looking for people is significant, that and the amount of testing also.

But more importantly a year later cases are no longer the ultimate barometer for hospitalisations. Take a look at last May when we were opening up compared to last week. (Found this in another thread this morning thought it was interesting when obsessing with case numbers)

2020
On the week leading to May 19th (13-19):
932 positive swabs
36818 swabs in total
2.5% 7 days positivity rate
786 new cases confirmed (1009 actually, but on the 14th of May 223 extra cases where added that were not notified before)
81 deaths
56 people in ICU (up to the 16th, it’s a pain to find historical data)
688 people in hospital - 390 confirmed, 298 suspected
No vaccines (of course)

2021
This week (24-30):
4,249 positive swabs
125,846 swabs in total
3.4% 7 days positivity rate
4,065 new cases confirmed
81 deaths
70 people in ICU
331 people in hospital
~800k vaccines

So roughly 4 times the amount of testing, roughly 4 times the amount of swabs, roughly 4 times the amount of cases and a higher positivity rate (obviously)

Yet a few more in icu but HALF the amount of people in hospitals!

The obsession with case numbers needs to stop, as you can see. We have a better understanding of the virus and vaccine yet people still obsessing like it’s March 2020.

GREAT POST!!!

Graham

Hector Savage wrote: »

So Graham how should they handle this ?

Since "variants" will always be about - even vaccine resistant ones, so we could be back to square 1 even when population is vaccinated.

How about a learn to live with strategy like they are doing around europe ?

Would very much depend on the nature of the variants and the resistance to the vaccines I would have thought.

If you want to frighten yourself with ghost stories about future unknown variants, knock yourself out.

At this point in time it looks like the vaccination program is going to have sufficient impact that life can start and return to normal.

Ginger n Lemon

Interestingly enough last few pages discuss cases. Not a single word about whether vaccines dont work. Which they do work.

So 800,000 vaccinated already, nearly 20% of population.

But 600 cases yesterday, you know, gotta keep level 5 because Christmas.


Absolute shambles.

Israel, Russia, Georgia, Netherlands, Belarus have all had fans in their stadiums last week for WCQ. Imagine countries have 10,000 + people go to events while you cant even get a haircut. But shure, 600 cases, Christmas. D'variants.

accensi0n

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

So 800,000 vaccinated already, nearly 20% of population.

220,000

leahyl

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Interestingly enough last few pages discuss cases. Not a single word about whether vaccines dont work. Which they do work.

So 800,000 vaccinated already, nearly 20% of population.

But 600 cases yesterday, you know, gotta keep level 5 because Christmas.


Absolute shambles.

Israel, Russia, Georgia, Netherlands, Belarus have all had fans in their stadiums last week for WCQ. Imagine countries have 10,000 + people go to events while you cant even get a haircut. But shure, 600 cases, Christmas. D'variants.

They're not all fully vaccinated.

Ginger n Lemon

accensi0n wrote: »

220,000

800,000.

Unless you want to say that first jab is useless and does nothing?

Ginger n Lemon

leahyl wrote: »

They're not all fully vaccinated.

They dont need to be fully vaccinated.

UK have less than 4m people with 2nd jab. Did their deaths fall? Yes. Did their cases fall? yes. Are they reopening their economy within weeks, started this Monday? yes.

What a silly comment.

leahyl

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

800,000.

Unless you want to say that first jab is useless and does nothing?

So what's the need for a 2nd jab so? You're making it sound like it gives you full protection.

What you said is incorrect - 800,000 doses have been given out, not 800,000 people fully vaccinated.

accensi0n

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

800,000.

Unless you want to say that first jab is useless and does nothing?

Vaccinated means vaccinated, 2 doses for the vaccines we're currently using.

Unless you're saying we shouldn't give second doses as proposed?

leahyl

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

They dont need to be fully vaccinated.

UK have less than 4m people with 2nd jab. Did their deaths fall? Yes. Did their cases fall? yes. Are they reopening their economy within weeks, started this Monday? yes.

What a silly comment.

Mine was a silly comment? Right back at ya.

Ginger n Lemon

leahyl wrote: »

So what's the need for a 2nd jab so? You're making it sound like it gives you full protection.

What you said is incorrect - 800,000 doses have been given out, not 800,000 people fully vaccinated.

Over 80% protection with first jab.

I never said fully vaccinated - are you just dishonest or your eyesight is not very good?

accensi0n

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Over 60% protection with first jab.

I never said fully vaccinated - are you just dishonest or your eyesight is not very good?

You did say fully vaccinated, as that's what 'vaccinated' means.

You could have said doses administered, which you know.

leahyl

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Over 60% protection with first jab.

I never said fully vaccinated - are you just dishonest or your eyesight is not very good?

I'm dishonest?

So you're saying only one dose is needed then, cool, that's fine if that's your opinion. You said 20% of the population is vaccinated, so we should be opening up - implying that one dose is enough. That's fine, I just wanted to clarify that 800,000 doses being administered does not mean fully vaccinated for everyone.

Ginger n Lemon

(Reuters) - COVID-19 vaccines developed by Pfizer Inc with BioNTech SE and Moderna Inc reduced risk of infection by 80% two weeks or more after the first of two shots, according to data from a real-world U.S. study released on Monday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-vaccines-int-idUSKBN2BL2UW

I rest my case.

Published 12 hours ago. Instead of spending your lifetime on boards - do some research.

People are so desperate to downplay vaccines, laughable. And pathetic.

leahyl

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

(Reuters) - COVID-19 vaccines developed by Pfizer Inc with BioNTech SE and Moderna Inc reduced risk of infection by 80% two weeks or more after the first of two shots, according to data from a real-world U.S. study released on Monday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-vaccines-int-idUSKBN2BL2UW

I rest my case.

Published 12 hours ago. Instead of spending your lifetime on boards - do some research.

People are so desperate to downplay vaccines, laughable. And pathetic.

Where did I disagree with you on the effectiveness of vaccines??? The pfizer and astrazeneca vaccines are 2 DOSE vaccines - yes, of course you have a level of protection after your first dose but you are NOT FULLY PROTECTED after one dose. I'm simply stating facts and once again you are twisting it around and attempting to make others look foolish and calling people out for being silly. Unbelievable.

snotboogie

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

800,000.

Unless you want to say that first jab is useless and does nothing?

That's 800k doses, a lot of those are second doses to the same people. Only 560k have received a first shot minimum.

Scotty #

the kelt wrote: »

~800k vaccines

Again, you don't understand the figures. It's becoming an ever more common trend.

565K first jab, 220k OF THAT 565k on second jab, for total jabs of almost 800k. This does not equal 800k vaccinated.

Lundstram wrote: »

“Hey, you over there with no job since March 2020, be patient, just a little longer”

Yes, agree fully. The real reason posters like yourself don't accept any of the actual facts. No matter what facts you are faced with you'll disregard them. Thank you for finally being honest about it.

Kind of makes discussing it pointless though so I'm out.

Hopefully we'll all get back to normal as soon as possible. GL.

Graham

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

But 600 cases yesterday, you know, gotta keep level 5 because Christmas.

It's good that you're now seeing the reasoning rather than pretending it's not relevant.

AdamD

The second dose is for longevity of protection. For the purpose of planning the end to lockdowns and assessing the general populations immunity to this, first doses are what's important. Hence the UK's approach.

Graham

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

People are so desperate to downplay vaccines, laughable. And pathetic.

I can't help but think that's largely in your imagination.

Lundstram

leahyl wrote: »

I'm dishonest?

So you're saying only one dose is needed then, cool, that's fine if that's your opinion. You said 20% of the population is vaccinated, so we should be opening up - implying that one dose is enough. That's fine, I just wanted to clarify that 800,000 doses being administered does not mean fully vaccinated for everyone.

Have you actually looked at the UK’s vaccine strategy? If you haven’t, do. Then go look at the drop in their hospitalisations and ICU numbers. Maybe that’ll change your mind. Second dose is a booster, first dose gives the vast majority of protection.

Some folk look at the UK in disdain and it hurts them to praise their strategy. I admired them long before Covid and admire them even more now. They just get the job done with no fuss.

The Irish need their hands held while holding 5,000,000 in maximum lockdown.

Suspending AZ vaccine while the UK laughed was just embarrassing as an Irish person.

the kelt

Scotty # wrote: »

Again, you don't understand the figures. It's becoming an ever more common trend.

565K first jab, 220k OF THAT 565k on second jab, for total jabs of almost 800k. This does not equal 800k vaccinated.



Yes, agree fully. The real reason posters like yourself don't accept any of the actual facts. No matter what facts you are faced with you'll disregard them. Thank you for finally being honest about it.

Kind of makes discussing it pointless though so I'm out.

Hopefully we'll all get back to normal as soon as possible. GL.

Didnt say it was 800k vaccinated!! When your quoting facts and people not understanding things it might serve ye better to read what's actually written!

leahyl

leahyl wrote: »

I'm dishonest?

So you're saying only one dose is needed then, cool, that's fine if that's your opinion. You said 20% of the population is vaccinated, so we should be opening up - implying that one dose is enough. That's fine, I just wanted to clarify that 800,000 doses being administered does not mean fully vaccinated for everyone.

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-03-03/single-shot-of-two-dose-covid-19-vaccine-can-prevent-serious-illness-and-death


One jab dramatically reduces the likelihood of severe illness and death from Covid. End of!

leahyl

Lundstram wrote: »

Have you actually looked at the UK’s vaccine strategy? If you haven’t, do. Then go look at the drop in their hospitalisations and ICU numbers. Maybe that’ll change your mind. Second dose is a booster, first dose gives the vast majority of protection.

Some folk look at the UK in disdain and it hurts them to praise their strategy. I admired them long before Covid and admire them even more now. They just get the job done with no fuss.

The Irish need their hands held while holding 5,000,000 in maximum lockdown.

Suspending AZ vaccine while the UK laughed was just embarrassing as an Irish person.

When did we mention the UK? What have they got to do with anything? I'm not in favour of level 5 lockdown by the way; I'm just stating the fact that 800,000 people haven't been vaccinated (which means fully vaccinated), it's 800,000 doses. And now we are talking about the UK?

leahyl

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-03-03/single-shot-of-two-dose-covid-19-vaccine-can-prevent-serious-illness-and-death


One jab dramatically reduces the likelihood of severe illness and death from Covid. End of!

Never said it didnt. but it still doesn't change the fact that you aren't vaccinated until you have had the 2 doses.

Lundstram

Scotty # wrote: »

Yes, agree fully. The real reason posters like yourself don't accept any of the actual facts. No matter what facts you are faced with you'll disregard them. Thank you for finally being honest about it.

Kind of makes discussing it pointless though so I'm out.

Hopefully we'll all get back to normal as soon as possible. GL.

I haven’t lost my job, though. In fact we’ve gotten busier. However, that doesn’t make me ignorant to the plight of others who are suffering serious financial hardship as a result of an overblown reaction to this virus.

I’ve no skin in the game here financially but I can see the bigger picture.

GL, Scotty.

Lundstram

leahyl wrote: »

When did we mention the UK? What have they got to do with anything? I'm not in favour of level 5 lockdown by the way; I'm just stating the fact that 800,000 people haven't been vaccinated (which means fully vaccinated), it's 800,000 doses. And now we are talking about the UK?

Graham seems intent on comparing the “surge” in Europe with us but I’m not allowed compare vaccine strategies with other nations?

Ok.

Graham

Lundstram wrote: »

Graham seems intent on comparing the “surge” in Europe with us but I’m not allowed compare vaccine strategies with other nations?

Ok.

I don't remember suggesting you couldn't compare vaccination strategies.

Perhaps you could quote that post